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[Omilophile]

Was ME3 a disappointment? I suppose so, in a technical sense. I was disappointed it didn't meet my expectations and the promises of the developers. Does that make it a terrible game? No. It could've been significantly better, but I still loved it.

This is all old hat anyway. They're not going to redo the ending, let alone the entire game. It's been a year since it came out. All you're doing is re-hashing stuff that's been said a million times over. Let it go. Time to move on.

[Aezync]

Omilophile wrote...

Was ME3 a disappointment? I suppose so, in a technical sense. I was disappointed it didn't meet my expectations and the promises of the developers. Does that make it a terrible game? No. It could've been significantly better, but I still loved it.

This is all old hat anyway. They're not going to redo the ending, let alone the entire game. It's been a year since it came out. All you're doing is re-hashing stuff that's been said a million times over. Let it go. Time to move on.

Will you people read the damn thread?

I clearly said ME3 was a good game. And it could've been significantly better. There goes your first paragraph.

No, they're not because they still make enough cash off of satisfied casuals to wipe their bums with gold bars. With that being said, they've been completely impressed by EA, and given their reputation, this franchise will probably only get worse. Oh well.

Furthermore, this hasn't been discussed before. If you would just read the thread you would've known that. There was a question asked at the end of the post that I asked to see if I was not alone. Evidently I'm not. 

Please wear glasses while reading this reply, at least.

[CDR David Shepard]

SilJeff wrote...

Siran wrote...

aren't you a bit late to the party?

+1 let's just say, OP, you are not the first to say that. (I love the game, but yes, it does not live up to ME2

At least Shepard knows how to walk in ME3 haha.

In all seriousness...I absolutely love ME3 just as much as ME1 and ME2. It's actually my favorite of the three...so I feel for those who do not feel the same way.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 12 mars 2013 - 07:15 .

[Alien Fodder]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree with it at all. To me ME2's story was a very gimmick and silly one compared to the others. I prefer ME3 in almost every single way, except for the more diverse dialogue system.

THIS.

[Omilophile]

Aezync wrote...

Will you people read the damn thread?

I clearly said ME3 was a good game. And it could've been significantly better. There goes your first paragraph.

No, they're not because they still make enough cash off of satisfied casuals to wipe their bums with gold bars. With that being said, they've been completely impressed by EA, and given their reputation, this franchise will probably only get worse. Oh well.

Furthermore, this hasn't been discussed before. If you would just read the thread you would've known that. There was a question asked at the end of the post that I asked to see if I was not alone. Evidently I'm not. 

Please wear glasses while reading this reply, at least.

It was more of a blanket statement to anyone still going on about how awful the game is. I apologize for the confusion. And to answer your question, I do think it would've made a difference. I feel that they were given a lot of pressure from EA to crank out a game (as EA seems to favor quantity over quality), and given another year or so they could've had a much better story with fewer holes in it. Here's hoping they will back off and let Bioware do their own thing.

[daftPirate]

I think ME3's real problem, if anything, was the pedestal we put it on. Not to say there weren't shortcomings large and small, but there were also expectations far too high and much too diverse to meet. A great job was done with what they had, perhaps more in regards to the characters than to the universe as a whole, but again, its hard to play in every field and win.

You can build a universe, at which point, your options are boundless. Once you set a story in motion, point it in a direction, and give it momentum, though, you're SOL. The consequences, good or bad, are your concern now. Even by the end of Mass Effect, the story ball was already rolling, with ME2 locking it in. When ME3 rolls around, and its the conclusion, a lot is already a given.

[Aezync]

Omilophile wrote...

Aezync wrote...

Will you people read the damn thread?

I clearly said ME3 was a good game. And it could've been significantly better. There goes your first paragraph.

No, they're not because they still make enough cash off of satisfied casuals to wipe their bums with gold bars. With that being said, they've been completely impressed by EA, and given their reputation, this franchise will probably only get worse. Oh well.

Furthermore, this hasn't been discussed before. If you would just read the thread you would've known that. There was a question asked at the end of the post that I asked to see if I was not alone. Evidently I'm not. 

Please wear glasses while reading this reply, at least.

It was more of a blanket statement to anyone still going on about how awful the game is. I apologize for the confusion. And to answer your question, I do think it would've made a difference. I feel that they were given a lot of pressure from EA to crank out a game (as EA seems to favor quantity over quality), and given another year or so they could've had a much better story with fewer holes in it. Here's hoping they will back off and let Bioware do their own thing.

I agree completely with this. 

[RighteousNixon]

Aezync wrote...

Played all 3 games, multiple times. If you want specifics, I played the first game 3 times, the 2nd game 3 times, and the final game 2 times. Anything else you want to know? By the way, using a lol at the beginning of a post doesn't make someone look witty. It just makes them look childish.

lol. One acroynm can ruin someone's day. 

Anyway, it's surprising that you liked the ending to ME3, despite it being against previous ME trends (please don't ask for evidence, just look at what choices you can make throughout each game until Priority Earth).

This thread wasn't even about the ending. I guess you didn't read it.

Also, the percentage I gave was a little exagerated. But only a little. There is a multitude of evidence, ranging from internet to tangible sources: polls,videos,essays and petitions/protests which support how suckish the ending was, and they, the efforts themselves, greatly outnumber the minute percentage of players that enjoyed the ending. That should tell the developers something, at least.

I never said anything that would make one think this thread was just about the ending. My posts were in regards to the entire game so I really have no clue what your talking about. As for the percentage of gamers that loved or hated ME3 (regardless of whether your talking about the entire game or just the ending), I will say it again, you have absolutely NO clue what the actual figures are and to suggest otherwise is nothing short of comical. A multitude of evidence? You must be kidding me. ME3 sold 890,000 copies just on the first day alone. The polls that were taken don't come anywhere close to accounting for just the people that purchased the game on day 1, let alone all of the people that purchased it after that fact. Sorry but you don't have anywhere close to the amount of data you would need to make those kinds of predictions. Not even close. Don't get me wrong, you can run around these forums all day long claiming you have figured out the percentage of gamers that hated or loved ME3, just don't expect anyone to actually take you seriously. 

To be honest, this is a perfect example of the kinds of posts I personally have a problem with. Again, I have no problem with people posting that they didn't like the game as its completely subjective in nature. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, as long as its done in a mature and respectable manner. What your doing is trying to add weight to your opinion by stating that most gamers agree with you. Thats the kind of BS that usually degrades these kinds of threads into unfriendly pissing contests. No matter how many gamers you get to agree with you, it doesn't make your subjective opinions any more valid than anyone elses. The fact that you have no evidence to back up such a claim just makes it that much worse.

Modifié par RighteousNixon, 12 mars 2013 - 09:58 .

[Aezync]

daftPirate wrote...

I think ME3's real problem, if anything, was the pedestal we put it on. Not to say there weren't shortcomings large and small, but there were also expectations far too high and much too diverse to meet. A great job was done with what they had, perhaps more in regards to the characters than to the universe as a whole, but again, its hard to play in every field and win.

You can build a universe, at which point, your options are boundless. Once you set a story in motion, point it in a direction, and give it momentum, though, you're SOL. The consequences, good or bad, are your concern now. Even by the end of Mass Effect, the story ball was already rolling, with ME2 locking it in. When ME3 rolls around, and its the conclusion, a lot is already a given.

Good point, but if they have such an incredible undertaking, then they must plan accordingly, no?

But they couldn't because of EA. EA did not allow them to develop past a certain date, so the product is "incomplete" in most areas.

[Aezync]

RighteousNixon wrote...

Aezync wrote...

Played all 3 games, multiple times. If you want specifics, I played the first game 3 times, the 2nd game 3 times, and the final game 2 times. Anything else you want to know? By the way, using a lol at the beginning of a post doesn't make someone look witty. It just makes them look childish.

lol. One acroynm can ruin someone's day. 

Anyway, it's surprising that you liked the ending to ME3, despite it being against previous ME trends (please don't ask for evidence, just look at what choices you can make throughout each game until Priority Earth).

This thread wasn't even about the ending. I guess you didn't read it.

Also, the percentage I gave was a little exagerated. But only a little. There is a multitude of evidence, ranging from internet to tangible sources: polls,videos,essays and petitions/protests which support how suckish the ending was, and they, the efforts themselves, greatly outnumber the minute percentage of players that enjoyed the ending. That should tell the developers something, at least.

I never said anything that would make one think this thread was just about the ending. My posts were in regards to the entire game so I really have no clue what your talking about. As for the percentage of gamers that loved or hated ME3 (regardless of whether your talking about the entire game or just the ending), I will say it again, you have absolutely NO clue what the actual figures are and to suggest otherwise is nothing short of comical. A multitude of evidence? You must be kidding me. ME3 sold 890,000 copies just on the first day alone. The polls that were taken don't come anywhere close to accounting for just the people that purchased the game on day 1, let alone all of the people that purchased it after that fact. Sorry but you don't have anywhere close to the amount of data you would need to make those kinds of predictions. Not even close. Don't get me wrong, you can run around these forums all day long claiming you have figured out the percentage of gamers that hated or loved ME3, just don't expect anyone to actually take you seriously. 

To be honest, this is a perfect example of the kinds of posts I personally have a problem with. Again, I have no problem with people posting that they didn't like the game as its completely subjective in nature. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, as long as its done in a mature and respectable manner. What your doing is trying to add weight to your opinion by stating that most gamers agree with you. Thats the kind of BS that usually degrades these kinds of threads into unfriendly pissing contests. No matter how many gamers you get to agree with you, it doesn't make your subjective opinions any more valid than anyone elses. The fact that you have no evidence to back up such a claim just makes it that much worse.

I'm sorry, but you're either really ignorant or just an idiot.

Please, please just google "Mass Effect 3 Response" and compare the good responses to the bad responses.

I don't know how else to make you see the truth, but I suppose you can start there.

[Blind2Society]

I have to agree with you Aezync. Mass Effect 3 had moments of brilliance but overall, it was rubbish (MP is top notch btw).

And the answer to your question is yes. I feel the game would have been what I expected (the best game of all time not just a mediocre game with some of the best gaming moments of all time) if they had the extra time. Everyone knows the devs a BW are extremely talented and they could have done something truly amazing.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 21 mars 2013 - 07:38 .

[Nicodemus]

To those arguing about % of people hating/liking ME3 you have to remember this, Bioware has data that it will read the way it wants to read it, the fans have data they will read they way they want to read it. There are no winners only 2 sets of losers. Neither is right or wrong and all that is left is for disgruntled fans to walk away from Bioware.

ME3 is unfortunately, flawed. This doesn't mean it's a terrible game just that it could have been a lot better. What we got at release was an incomplete game, with the addition of Leviathan, EC and Omega the game made more sense. IF the game had shipped in the state we have it now then it would have been received with a better critique from the fan base.

There are still flaws with the game, Priority Earth is shockingly bad, the face import is still not working, the game has some bad bugs (Aria in Omega anyone?), the game is far too dependant on auto dialog, Deus Ex rip off ending, story and lore inconsistencies, lack of a meaningful confrontation with Harbinger, bad writing, lack of hubs, appalling journal system, forced MP participation initially to get EMS, lack of ME2 characters/romances, Breath scene (you call that closure!?) and finally the Devs forgetting that people play these games for enjoyment... not to get depressed/upset.

Citadel DLC may have been an Olive branch to the fan base but I have to admit I wasn't all that impressed. Leviathan and Omega seem to have been cut from the game and then "polished" (lol) and released as DLC, Citadel seems to have been the project being worked on for just about a year. All I can say to that was.. "it took you a year to make this?"

Mike Gamble's statement of "If you knew what we had planned, you'd keep your copies forever" was ultimately a crock of brown, stinky, excrement. The game could and should have been a lot better than it was. As a stand alone game, for someone who had never played an ME game before (which they did state they were after new players, "best place to start!!") the game probably works as there is no investment. As a game that is supposed to be the culmination of a trilogy it is flawed, flawed enough to warrant the reaction it got from those who had invested their time into it.

[LilyasAvalon]

Dude, where were you a year ago?

[durasteel]

Mass Effect 3 is probably the most inconsistent game I've ever played, and I think the responses to this thread (and thousands of others over the past year) clearly demonstrate that. It has moments and sequences that are truly epic, it features some of the most compelling characters and stories I've ever seen in a game, and delivers hours of really incredibly good game-play. It also has some of the most disappointing, phoned-in, ill conceived, and marginally insulting story moments I think I've seen in a modern big-budget game.

It is difficult to imagine how the star-baby sequence wound up in the same game with the "does this unit have a soul" scene. They are incongruous and incompatible. It makes it very difficult to be fair and honest in an overall appraisal of the game.

[Degs29]

I went into ME3 with gigantic expectations and if recall correctly the introduction on Earth came off a little flat.  It wasn't until after I got off Mars that I really started enjoying the game.  And I mean really enjoying it.  What followed was 30 hours of the best video game experience I've ever had.  Of course, that was followed by a lacklustre end to cap it off.  I wouldn't call the overall game a disappointment as some would, but the ending left a lot to be desired.  Which, of course, has been covered in great detail for 12 months now.

Citadel DLC mitigated a lot of that ill will and I think I'll continue to use it as my true ending.

[Blind2Society]

Most of the game was just shoot this enemy, press this button. Then you had a whole lot of eavesdrop, fetch quest (with no gameplay or visuals, just fly here, scan planet, fly back). There were a few shining moments in the game but that's about it.

MP on the other hand, is excellent (especially for a first go).

[Zeldrik1389]

1- Nothing is perfect. Everything, everyone has flaws. Complaining / crying won't get you anywhere.
2- Don't blame BioWare. It's EA's fault since they keep rushing them (same thing they did to Dragon Age 2). BioWare is, imho, one of the best game developers consider all the games they've made.
3- Again, haters gonna hate. Lovers gonna love. No point in crying / arguing.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 22 mars 2013 - 08:17 .

[ZombifiedJake]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

1- Nothing is perfect. Everything, everyone has flaws. Complaining / crying won't get you anywhere.
2- Don't blame BioWare. It's EA's fault since they keep rushing them (same thing they did to Dragon Age 2). BioWare is, imho, one of the best game developers consider all the games they've made.
3- Again, haters gonna hate. Lovers gonna love. No point in crying / arguing.

First off, useless post.

I probably shouldn't reply, but of course there is a reason to "complain". Otherwise they would know it was okay to do the exact same thing again. Besides, there has been some good criticism here that Bioware should take on board. Don't blame Bioware? It's not blame, we're reflecting on everything they've done wrong, which pretty much surpasses what they've done right in this game. That's why it brings a lot of discussion. Call out EA as much as you want, deservedly so, but I think most of the problems stem from Bioware themselves.

durasteel wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is probably the most
inconsistent game I've ever played, and I think the responses to this
thread (and thousands of others over the past year) clearly demonstrate
that. It has moments and sequences that are truly epic, it features some
of the most compelling characters and stories I've ever seen in a game,
and delivers hours of really incredibly good game-play. It also has
some of the most disappointing, phoned-in, ill conceived, and marginally
insulting story moments I think I've seen in a modern big-budget game.

It
is difficult to imagine how the star-baby sequence wound up in the same
game with the "does this unit have a soul" scene. They are incongruous
and incompatible. It makes it very difficult to be fair and honest in an
overall appraisal of the game.

Well put, I definitely agree. Looking back, I did have a really good time, but (far too much) throughout I was just taken out of the experience when I was hit in the face by the huge developmental errors that marred the game.

Modifié par ZombifiedJake, 22 mars 2013 - 08:40 .

[Zeldrik1389]

If it were a year ago, yeah I would definitely agree with you. But ffs, it's been over a year already, give it a rest and move on. And not like they didn't try to make it up to you. Extended cut (not perfect, yes, but it's better than nothing. And fyi, at least they tried to fix things up. Some other developers / publishers didn't give a **** about their customers' feedback, so be grateful that they at least TRY to make it up for you), and Citadel is pretty nice send off for fans. They also noted that Citadel is the final dlc, which means NOTHING will ever changed in ME 3 anymore. So why complaining now? And I'm pretty sure a year of feed back is pretty enough for them to know what they need to do in the next game. So, again, crying now is completely useless. Find something better to do with your life.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 22 mars 2013 - 09:00 .

[Aezync]

It worries me that EA has such a stranglehold over Bioware. God know's what Mass Effect 4 will be like.

[FlamingBoy]

Aezync wrote...

It worries me that EA has such a stranglehold over Bioware. God know's what Mass Effect 4 will be like.

I agree with you.........BUT!!!!!!!

I am intrigued where bioware will take the game after the ending abortion, seriously I wonder where EA focus groups (and, lets face it, the world most incompetent PR department) will take us next, I mean I won't buy a copy but I still want to get a front row seat to the next fire storm

[ninemarrow]

Get over it im ****ing tired of this i thought me3 was the best out of them all they just kept getting better

[FlamingBoy]

ninemarrow wrote...

Get over it im ****ing tired of this i thought me3 was the best out of them all they just kept getting better

Perhaps people need to get over people not getting over it.

Evidence, above quote 

[Aezync]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

1- Nothing is perfect. Everything, everyone has flaws. Complaining / crying won't get you anywhere.
2- Don't blame BioWare. It's EA's fault since they keep rushing them (same thing they did to Dragon Age 2). BioWare is, imho, one of the best game developers consider all the games they've made.
3- Again, haters gonna hate. Lovers gonna love. No point in crying / arguing.

Let me start off by explaining what a blast I had with the horrible AI of Skyrim. 

Let's not mention the bugs either.

Glitches abundant? Who cares! It's a fun game.

No wait, horrible generic story? That's okay, it accomplishes what its predecessors had and more!

Imbalanced and limited gameplay at higher difficulties? No problem! It's still a fun RP challenge!

Also, it's Bioware's fault for being bought off by EA. Of course they made the choice because they value money over all else; a finished product is at the bottom of their priorites.