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[rolson00]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Again... I'd think Bioware may be extremely leery about having the first contact with some non-European ethnicities in the context of them being slaves. I know Thedas isn't Earth and all, but there's still some real world analogies that could get brought into that that are really negative.

It seems extremely unlikely anyway. The Tevinters aren't complete and utter morons, and only a complete and utter moron would enslave members of an unknown culture that has the capability to cross the sea between continents. **** like that can start wars and it's not like Tevinter doesn't have its hands full with the Qunari.

rolson00 wrote...
In the DA world we already know that the Tevinter Imperium already
has human and elvern slaves i'm simply using the lore Bioware has
provided

Where would they capture non-Caucasian slaves if there is no place in Thedas where non-Caucasian people live and no other reachable continent?

wonderful things that float on water and have big sheets that catch wind

[Lennard Testarossa]

rolson00 wrote...
wonderful things that float on water and have big sheets that catch wind

You claimed to be simply using Bioware's lore. There's no mention of Tevinters being capable of reaching/having tried to reach other continents and no mention of people from other continents visiting Thedas. If the latter were to occur, it's still unlikely the Tevinters would try to enslave explorers/emissaries of cultures that might rival their own.

[The Hierophant]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...
Again... I'd think Bioware may be extremely leery about having the first contact with some non-European ethnicities in the context of them being slaves. I know Thedas isn't Earth and all, but there's still some real world analogies that could get brought into that that are really negative.

It seems extremely unlikely anyway. The Tevinters aren't complete and utter morons, and only a complete and utter moron would enslave members of an unknown culture that has the capability to cross the sea between continents. **** like that can start wars and it's not like Tevinter doesn't have its hands full with the Qunari.

With people like him in charge i wouldn't put it past them, also not all slavers are Tevinter nationals as some groups are independent of the country, plus it will be highly unlikely that the nation the foreigner came from would be able to track where they disappeared to unless they left a trail of Skittles leading all the way to Tevinter.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 25 février 2013 - 06:26 .

[Wulfram]

IIRC there were some pretty dark skinned elves in DA:O. Presumably that's not Rivaini blood, since they can't have human ancestors.

[rolson00]

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

rolson00 wrote...
wonderful things that float on water and have big sheets that catch wind

You claimed to be simply using Bioware's lore. There's no mention of Tevinters being capable of reaching/having tried to reach other continents and no mention of people from other continents visiting Thedas. If the latter were to occur, it's still unlikely the Tevinters would try to enslave explorers/emissaries of cultures that might rival their own.

*sigh* In DA2 Isabella is a piret
qunari were waiting for a ship
DA:O  elves taken as slaves...by ship
this is hardly rocket science ships are in Dragon Age and Bioware havn't said hardly anything on the Tevinters  history any what we have heard from the chantry in the games so instaed of being closed minded think of how something can be done use your imagination
why don't you read davud gaiders comments here and then throw an idea at me?

[esper]

rolson00 wrote...

Lennard Testarossa wrote...

rolson00 wrote...
wonderful things that float on water and have big sheets that catch wind

You claimed to be simply using Bioware's lore. There's no mention of Tevinters being capable of reaching/having tried to reach other continents and no mention of people from other continents visiting Thedas. If the latter were to occur, it's still unlikely the Tevinters would try to enslave explorers/emissaries of cultures that might rival their own.

*sigh* In DA2 Isabella is a piret
qunari were waiting for a ship
DA:O  elves taken as slaves...by ship
this is hardly rocket science ships are in Dragon Age and Bioware havn't said hardly anything on the Tevinters  history any what we have heard from the chantry in the games so instaed of being closed minded think of how something can be done use your imagination
why don't you read davud gaiders comments here and then throw an idea at me?

Ships capable of crossing river and floods and the occensional sea are not the same as being capable of crossing the Ocean. Considering that noneone talks about much about any people living in land 'beyond' Thedas (people even questionn where the **** qunari turned up from) it is safe to asssume that only the Qunari have ocean crossing features and it is not even sure they have them (they may have been shipwrecked on Thedas by poor/pure luck).

[Blazomancer]

David Gaider wrote...

4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.

Thanks for clearing this up. Now that you've mentioned this, it'd be even more interesting to see how the series evolves in the future. I hope we get to visit these other continents or at least hear a little bit about them in future installments. It's also nice to know that the new engine will enable us to have wider range of skin tones.

[Iakus]

David Gaider wrote...
4) All that said, trying to squeeze every real-world ethnicity onto one continent simply isn't going to happen. There are, however, places in Dragon Age other than the continent of Thedas... should we ever go to those places, one should expect to see other sorts of people there. And there's nothing stopping the occasional traveler from far away coming into the game for plot reasons, though that's going to be exceptional simply because traffic between the continents is not exactly great. If it was, you'd expect people to be talking about "the lands beyond Thedas" a trifle more, wouldn't you? That could, however, always change.

Now I've got the image stuck in my head of the Black Whirlwind passing through Thedas on his travels

[ReallyRue]

The Qunari come from a different continent, don't they?

I imagine one way to learn more about people on different continents is to first learn about the Qunari and their origins. Considering the Qunari look quite dissimilar to the humans, elves and dwarves of Thedas, perhaps it wouldn't so much be other real-world ethnicities on other continents, so much as other fantasy races.

[MisterJB]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Also, yeah... Jade Empire. How did you guys go from making this original RPG set in Asia, to a boring medieval fantasy RPG that doesn't even have an original bone in it's body, and is still struggling to carve out any sort identity for itself among it's peers?

Excuse me, what is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that an RPG, simply by "virtue" of being in an asian setting is automatically original as opposed to a medieval one?
No offence meant to asian people, I enjoyed Jade Empire, but it is about as original as any other Bioware game, which is to say not much.
Right off the top of my head: Government lead by the spirits of the dead (Final Fantasy X); Last of your Kind; School Rival: Princess betrays her evil father and falls for the hero, etc.
And if you don't believe me, you can just take a look at the list of TV Tropes it fits in:

http://tvtropes.org/...Main.JadeEmpire

[Iosev]

ReallyRue wrote...

The Qunari come from a different continent, don't they?

I imagine one way to learn more about people on different continents is to first learn about the Qunari and their origins. Considering the Qunari look quite dissimilar to the humans, elves and dwarves of Thedas, perhaps it wouldn't so much be other real-world ethnicities on other continents, so much as other fantasy races.

Perhaps Bioware could explore the origins of the blackpowder used by the Qunari, and tie it to a culture that the Qunari may have learned or adapted it from before they arrived on Thedas (similar to how gunpowder is believed to have been invented in China, and then spread into the Middle East, and then Europe).

Modifié par arcelonious, 25 février 2013 - 07:13 .

[Lennard Testarossa]

rolson00 wrote...
*sigh* In DA2 Isabella is a piret
qunari were waiting for a ship
DA:O elves taken as slaves...by ship

How about you ****ing read what I wrote for a change. There's ships, how very great. That doesn't mean that people can travel or have travelled to other continents with these ships. Indeed, it seems like even the Qunari, who are quite a bit ahead technologically can't really reach their home continent at this time. I have read Gaider's comments and they do not contradict what I said in any way, shape or form.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MisterJB wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Also, yeah... Jade Empire. How did you guys go from making this original RPG set in Asia, to a boring medieval fantasy RPG that doesn't even have an original bone in it's body, and is still struggling to carve out any sort identity for itself among it's peers?

Excuse me, what is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that an RPG, simply by "virtue" of being in an asian setting is automatically original as opposed to a medieval one?
No offence meant to asian people, I enjoyed Jade Empire, but it is about as original as any other Bioware game, which is to say not much.
Right off the top of my head: Government lead by the spirits of the dead (Final Fantasy X); Last of your Kind; School Rival: Princess betrays her evil father and falls for the hero, etc.
And if you don't believe me, you can just take a look at the list of TV Tropes it fits in:

http://tvtropes.org/...Main.JadeEmpire

It's more original than yet another European medieval RPG about dragons.

[Zkyire]

ReallyRue wrote...

The Qunari come from a different continent, don't they?

I imagine one way to learn more about people on different continents is to first learn about the Qunari and their origins. Considering the Qunari look quite dissimilar to the humans, elves and dwarves of Thedas, perhaps it wouldn't so much be other real-world ethnicities on other continents, so much as other fantasy races.

I hope there aren't too many different fantasy species though. The more are introduced the higher the likelihood we'll end up getting anthro cat people and the like.

I like the idea of the Humans, Elves, Dwarves and Qunari 'cause they're all similar (to a point) enough to perhaps have some far distant common ancestry.

Want to stay away from, as another thread asked for 'Centaurs' and stuff.

[LobselVith8]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

There is no Asia in Dragon Age, nor should there be. The universe is an allegory of medieval Europe.

Why shouldn't there be? We see the Spanish influence with Antivans, and the dark skinned denizens of the kingdom of Rivain who clearly aren't European at all.

[Lennard Testarossa]

rolson00 wrote...
why don't you read davud gaiders comments here and then throw an idea at me?

An idea that I find to be very sensible by the way would be making Dragon Age 4 about a new Qunari invasion of Thedas, for which the Qunari bring new soldiers from their home continent. These soldiers could include humans of pretty much any ethnicity.

Modifié par Lennard Testarossa, 25 février 2013 - 07:17 .

[MisterJB]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
It's more original than yet another European medieval RPG about dragons.

Again, just because it's in an asian setting? Despite fitting several cliches and tropes that have been used both by western and eastern authors?
There is such a thing as JRPGs, you know? in fact, the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series used to dominate the market for RPGs.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 février 2013 - 07:20 .

[ReallyRue]

Zkyire wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

The Qunari come from a different continent, don't they?

I imagine one way to learn more about people on different continents is to first learn about the Qunari and their origins. Considering the Qunari look quite dissimilar to the humans, elves and dwarves of Thedas, perhaps it wouldn't so much be other real-world ethnicities on other continents, so much as other fantasy races.

I hope there aren't too many different fantasy species though. The more are introduced the higher the likelihood we'll end up getting anthro cat people and the like.

I like the idea of the Humans, Elves, Dwarves and Qunari 'cause they're all similar (to a point) enough to perhaps have some far distant common ancestry.

Want to stay away from, as another thread asked for 'Centaurs' and stuff.

I agree with that, I'd like them to stay humanoid in the way elves, dwarves and Qunari are. The Qunari look quite unique whilst still looking human enough to belong . I wouldn't be surprised if their home continent had other races like that, who just look unusual strange, but not did-you-come-from-another-planet strange. Unusual ears, hair, horns, facial structure or body proportions, but not 'oh look a turian in Dragon Age'. 

Modifié par ReallyRue, 25 février 2013 - 07:22 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

MisterJB wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
It's more original than yet another European medieval RPG about dragons.

Again, just because it's in an asian setting? Despite fitting several cliches and tropes that have been used both by western and eastern authors?
There is such a thing as JRPGs, you know? in fact, the Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest series used to dominate the market for RPGs.

Which are entirely different than Jade Empire.

[axl99]

And no less stereotypical.

But it's how you work around those stereotypes to make a cohesive and interesting narrative that helps. To be more than what we see at face value.

Modifié par axl99, 25 février 2013 - 07:26 .

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Why shouldn't there be? We see the Spanish influence with Antivans, and the dark skinned denizens of the kingdom of Rivain who clearly aren't European at all.

Hum...Spain is part of Europe, you know? So is Portugal.
Ours is a small peninsula and was occupied by the moors for a long time but we're still here and we are europeans.

Modifié par MisterJB, 25 février 2013 - 07:27 .

[The Hierophant]

Filament wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

I hope there aren't too many different fantasy species though. The more are introduced the higher the likelihood we'll end up getting anthro cat people and the like.

I'm not seeing the problem here. 

Final Fantasy's Viera?

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Why shouldn't there be? We see the Spanish influence with Antivans, and the dark skinned denizens of the kingdom of Rivain who clearly aren't European at all.

Hum...Spain is part of Europe, you know? So is Portugal.
Ours is a small peninsula and was occupied by the moors for a long time but we're still here and we are europeans. 

I didn't say Spain. I said Spanish. I was addressing their language, as variations of Spanish are used outside of Spain. Zevran says "Si amor?" to a romanced Warden and Vincento says "Maldición" to Hawke. We've never seen Antiva (so I can't speak for how the culture is), but the Antivans we've met so far have a darker skin tone, while not quite as dark as the people of Rivain we have encountered. It's similar to how some Latin Americans look, many of whom also speak a variation of the Spanish dialect.

Also, one of the templates for Hawke's appearance (that affects how the rest of the Amell family looks) gives him an appearance that has been described as 'Asian' by some fans.