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[TheInquisitor]

I go back to a poll I made in December.

social.bioware.com/4175959/polls/42266/

Over 70 percent voted wanted post ending dlc.

And going by what I have read many fans still aren't happy with what we have got and with this upcoming pre-ending dlc it really isn't enough.

There is still a large number that still dislike the ending and if bioware truely do listen to their fans we would be getting post-ending dlc and not pre-ending that doesn't mean anything in the end.


UPDATE
A video further showing that many fans are still unhappy with the ending with poll results

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par TristanHawke, 25 février 2013 - 08:17 .

[Mr.House]

Bioware listening does not mean they take every single dam thing a fan says and make dlc for it. They said many times they where never going to change the dam ending, people knew this but kept asking and then get mad when it's revealed it was never going to happen.

More screentime with the ME2 squadmates, more romance content for Miri and Jack, more time with the crew, more Wrex was asked for alot and that's what Bioware did. Bioware listened to the fans as they made a dlc with things people where asking for.

Also from what I have seen, alot of people are excited for this dlc. It goes both ways OP. A dev listens to their fans, that does not mean they bend to every demand that is given.

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 février 2013 - 08:08 .

[TheInquisitor]

Mr.House wrote...

Bioware listening does not mean they take every single dam thing a fan says and make dlc for it. They said many times they where never going to change the dam ending, people knew this but kept asking and then get mad when it's revealed it was never going to happen.

More screentime with the ME2 squadmates, more romance content for Miri and Jack, more time with the crew, more Wrex was asked for alot and that's what Bioware did. Bioware listened to the fans as they made a dlc with things people where asking for.

Also from what I have seen, alot of people are excited for this dlc. It goes both ways OP. A dev listens to their fans, that does not mean they bend to every demand that is given.

Well the last time I checked, more people cared about post-ending dlc than having 'extended' romance content for squad-mates. I'm not saying they have to bend to every demand made I'm saying they have to damn well bend to the biggest one that many fans still have complaints with.

[Mr.House]

You mean the biggest one they told many times they where never going to do? Ya bugging Bioware to budge on something they refuse to change is useless, that's why people asked for things they knew Bioware could do, hence a character focused dlc.

No matter how much the ending does stink, no matter how many times we complain, Bioware will never fix it. They want that to stay the same. Some can say that's stupid, others ay that's good. In the end, it's done. After this dlc ME3 is finished, users will either enjoy to play the series, create their own headcanon, help with MEHEM or simply move on to better games. That's the sad truth.

[Mcfly616]

TristanHawke wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Bioware listening does not mean they take every single dam thing a fan says and make dlc for it. They said many times they where never going to change the dam ending, people knew this but kept asking and then get mad when it's revealed it was never going to happen.

More screentime with the ME2 squadmates, more romance content for Miri and Jack, more time with the crew, more Wrex was asked for alot and that's what Bioware did. Bioware listened to the fans as they made a dlc with things people where asking for.

Also from what I have seen, alot of people are excited for this dlc. It goes both ways OP. A dev listens to their fans, that does not mean they bend to every demand that is given.

Well the last time I checked, more people cared about post-ending dlc than having 'extended' romance content for squad-mates. I'm not saying they have to bend to every demand made I'm saying they have to damn well bend to the biggest one that many fans still have complaints with.

they gave you the Extended Cut and have repeatedly said the ending will not be altered any further. If that wasn't good enough for you, it would've been wise to move on months ago....you know, to other things that might satisfy you.

[Jassu1979]

Well, it certainly hurt Bioware that the issues most people had with the ending were never resolved (as the "Extended Cut" for the most part did not even address those, and/or added even more holes to the plot), but I do not expect the company to see the light at this point.

I simply stopped buying any single-player content (or multi-player content, for that matter), knowing fully well that nothing that happens in those interludes would have any noticeable consequences whatsoever:

What made the Mass Effect series so spectacular was its focus on choices and consequences.The ending sabotaged/ignored that aspect, and the numerical scores did not really make that much of a difference, even prior to the EC.
What's the use of finding the Leviathans? I'll still end up in the same room, with the same three choices that have not been derived from anything I actually did, and mostly the same dialogue.
What's the use of freeing Omega? I'll still end up in the same room, with the same three choices that did not derive directly from what I did before.

Looking only at ME3, everything the game could be was encapsulated in the Tuchanka arc. Everything that it should not be was embodied in the ending.

[SyK18]

Times change. People will be satisfied with anything at this point. I just don't understand why we could not have asked more about mission around the ME universe other than extra time with our squad. Makes no sense to me, but again 25% is a majority for Bioware, and they want to decorate their Citadel apartment, that will eventually blow up in a colorful blast, GODDAMIT!!

[TheInquisitor]

I'm not saying the new DLC is a bad thing I'm just saying there are bigger problems that need to be addressed if they want to keep at least half of their fanbase.

[Mcfly616]

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm not saying the new DLC is a bad thing I'm just saying there are bigger problems that need to be addressed if they want to keep at least half of their fanbase.

"half their fanbase" eh? Lol


Their fanbase will be just fine. Now watch as the next Mass Effect sells millions when it releases.

[Indy_S]

BioWare listened. They have responded. Bending to the will of the fanbase isn't quite the same thing.

[LeandroBraz]

It's not a contest, Bioware isn't looking for the most popular idea to release doesn't matter what. They use our feedback, which doesn't mean they will do everything that win a poll on BSN.

Far as I know, they planned to do DLCs only before the ending (that's why when you finish the game, it put you back before the "no comeback point"), and they decided to stick with this plan. It's their IP they have to deal with the consequences in the long run, it's their call to decide what should be done and what shouldn't.

Bioware will never make everyone happy about the ending. Each one dislike (or like) a different thing, they can't cover everything. I don't know if this saying exist on the English language, I will try to do my best translating it, but this is like sh*t, the more you poke it with a stick, the more it will stink. The more Bioware try to change the end and please everyone, the worse it will get.


ME3 is not what I expected, even if I like it, but it's time to move on. The best way for Bioware to fix their mistakes on ME3 is doing better on the next game, not trying to fix ME3 itself. Bioware moved on, time for you to do it too...

[LeandroBraz]

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm not saying the new DLC is a bad thing I'm just saying there are bigger problems that need to be addressed if they want to keep at least half of their fanbase.

DLC is a way to give us more content, and off course, to make some more money while they do it. DLC is not done to fix things, this is not the point, even if they are taking this opportunity to make things we are asking for. The DLCs aren't to address anything, it's to add content, so doesn't matter if there's "bigger problems", this is not the point...

[TheInquisitor]

LeandroBraz wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm not saying the new DLC is a bad thing I'm just saying there are bigger problems that need to be addressed if they want to keep at least half of their fanbase.

DLC is a way to give us more content, and off course, to make some more money while they do it. DLC is not done to fix things, this is not the point, even if they are taking this opportunity to make things we are asking for. The DLCs aren't to address anything, it's to add content, so doesn't matter if there's "bigger problems", this is not the point...

I know man. I just feel a post-ending campaign would have been able to give us the scenes the citadel dlc gives us but with more closure as we know it will take place after the ending. I just worry that the fact many fans are still unhappy could affect the future of the franchise.

[Liamv2]

Indy_S wrote...

BioWare listened. They have responded. Bending to the will of the fanbase isn't quite the same thing.

[the_last_krogan]

because its easier to please brown nosers.....

[Eterna]

Not listening to you and not acting on your wishes does not mean that they haven't listened or taken in your feedback.

[Jadebaby]

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

[Eterna]

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Indy_S wrote...

BioWare listened. They have responded. Bending to the will of the fanbase isn't quite the same thing.

This. They have said repeatedly that after the EC, they were not going to address the endings, particularly not in any meaningful way. This DLC, whether you think it's a good idea or not, does show that they are still listening and trying to give fans something that is wanted.

Whether they succeed in the execution of this will be determined on March 5th.

[LeandroBraz]

TristanHawke wrote...

LeandroBraz wrote...

TristanHawke wrote...

I'm not saying the new DLC is a bad thing I'm just saying there are bigger problems that need to be addressed if they want to keep at least half of their fanbase.

DLC is a way to give us more content, and off course, to make some more money while they do it. DLC is not done to fix things, this is not the point, even if they are taking this opportunity to make things we are asking for. The DLCs aren't to address anything, it's to add content, so doesn't matter if there's "bigger problems", this is not the point...

I know man. I just feel a post-ending campaign would have been able to give us the scenes the citadel dlc gives us but with more closure as we know it will take place after the ending. I just worry that the fact many fans are still unhappy could affect the future of the franchise.

Well, If this ending situation is so delicate, what is the best approach to solve it, a new game with some good years of production or a rushed DLC just to please the fans eargerness? If I could had one desire fulfilled by Bioware, I would ask for them to release the next game only when it's ready, take as much time as they need, without a deadline. If the ending need all that attention, a 3 months DLC is the last thing it should get...

[Carger1887]

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

[Eterna]

Carger1887 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

You must be new here. I mean, you are a minority, but still. 

[Liamv2]

Carger1887 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

You do know she was being sarcastic right

[KiwiQuiche]

Oh, Bioware just want moar moolah, hence the romance and 'gamble/drink while millions get eaten' DLC, which hilariously enough, people will buy.

[SyK18]

Carger1887 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

No, no, no! You misunderstood. We are a 66% minority.
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