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[SyK18]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

liggy002 wrote...



   Asking for Harbinger to be included in a DLC was also pretty reasonable considering that he was the primary antagonist and Mass Efffect 2 and was evidently supposed to represent Sovereign's successor.  That said, I sincerely hope that they acted on that feed back.

You can´t be attached too much to plot or characters /trollface.jpg

Where you part of the majority that asked for the Romance character vaginapenis interaction dlc? Please say you were, this would work out so good.

[Zaalbar]

Bioware listens but they just don`t feel the need bend to the will of the fans everytime we demand stuff.

I don`t like the endings myself but at the same time I can not fault Bioware for sticking to their guns.
Fans may have had an influence on how the series evolved over the years but at the end of the day this is still Bioware`s story.

[Indy_S]

SyK18 wrote...

OH MAN!!! Here we go. This guy here. Whooohooo. Oh boy. Get a load of this. Bioware definatley listened to you. Damn .005% majority! 

:Pjk. Isn't that the last option.

I can't do that one either. I don't have a truck. 

[Applepie_Svk]

liggy002 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Leviathan fixed the lack of foreshadowing of the Catalyst, anchoring it firmly within the ME universe, and Omega lets me save Petrovsky, something I also asked for, though they probably put that in before my input could've had any relevance.

   Asking for Harbinger to be included in a DLC was also pretty reasonable considering that he was the primary antagonist and Mass Efffect 2 and was evidently supposed to represent Sovereign's successor.  That said, I sincerely hope that they acted on that feed back.

No it doesn´t, it was an insult to every customer... and that´s was the reason which I was afraid off most after one of those reviews from 2011/12 with some guy from BioWare- that someone make from lore something like tear-off calendar.

Imagine you would an order ham&eggs with bread and beans and you get almost everything but you had to pay more for eggs...

[Ieldra]

Carger1887 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

20,000 people isn't comparable to the millions of others who purchased the game.

Actually they are.  That's how statistics tracking works, whether in politics, economics or anything else.  Given the area that poll covered, the demographics involved and the sample size, it is entirely representative of the game's player base.  If you really want to get into this I'll start posting links to statistics methods, or you could just find them on your own real quick before responding.

No, those 20000 are not necessarily representative of the complete player base. They are representative of a reasonably "hardcore" subset of the player base. Unless you can provide some evidence that belonging to that subset does not create a bias, a sample taken from this subset should be considered a biased sample.

The poll is nonetheless important, not because it's representative of the whole, but because the subset it represents are the multipliers, those who spread the word.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 février 2013 - 10:30 .

[Applepie_Svk]

SyK18 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

   Asking for Harbinger to be included in a DLC was also pretty reasonable considering that he was the primary antagonist and Mass Efffect 2 and was evidently supposed to represent Sovereign's successor.  That said, I sincerely hope that they acted on that feed back.

You can´t be attached too much to plot or characters /trollface.jpg

Where you part of the majority that asked for the Romance character vaginapenis interaction dlc? Please say you were, this would work out so good.

No I am not according to BioWare and Collin Moriarty /savior of nearest galaxy/ the one of majority, and I am as always unhappy, entitled whiner customer which is against Citadel DLC in some way.

- lore - I can´t judge a plot because I haven´t seen it yet, but if it´s going to be another Leviathan then I can say that this is for third time that BioWare spit to my face

- casino/apartment - I never asked for this

- character interaction - this should be in vanila not in the paid DLC under joke as "We are listening", even caveman would see that vanila game had a lack of interaction if not total ignoration of some characters

From what I know till now, I never asked for SIMS and date simulator with casino and bar <_< it´s so absurd like some of the films from Tarantino...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 25 février 2013 - 10:34 .

[KiwiQuiche]

[quote]Tranter88 wrote...

[quote]TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

[quote]KiwiQuiche wrote...

Well, except for the whole decoration of Shep's new Citadel room....I have no idea who asked for that or who is excited about it.

The rest though, yeah...

[/quote]

I think the makers of the Sims asked for it, expect to see new Sims 3 expac sometime in April. [/quote]

I said nothing of the sort >:|

[TsaiMeLemoni]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Tranter88 wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Well, except for the whole decoration of Shep's new Citadel room....I have no idea who asked for that or who is excited about it.

The rest though, yeah...

I think the makers of the Sims asked for it, expect to see new Sims 3 expac sometime in April.

I said nothing of the sort >:|

And I never said anything about the Sims! There was just clearly a formatting error

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 25 février 2013 - 10:35 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Relax, there won't be one. Now, don't behave like a spoiled kid and enjoy the game for what it is, or move on instead of demanding things from a company, which made it clear that they wouldn't change the ending in any way or make a post-ending dlc.

[DMWW]

Carger1887 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

20,000 people isn't comparable to the millions of others who purchased the game.

Actually they are.  That's how statistics tracking works, whether in politics, economics or anything else.  Given the area that poll covered, the demographics involved and the sample size, it is entirely representative of the game's player base.  If you really want to get into this I'll start posting links to statistics methods, or you could just find them on your own real quick before responding.

The sample size isn't the point. If you had a genuinely random sample, 1000 people would get you about a 3% margin of error. But a self-selected internet poll is about as far from a random sample of owners of ME3 as it's possible to imagine. That being the case, it doesn't matter if it's 20 people, 20,000 people, or 200,000 people. All it shows is that this many people had those views. It doesn't license any generalisation to the broader population.

(Analogy: Bioware tells us that their telemetry says the majority of DA players didn't finish the game. Do you seriously imagine that an self-selected internet poll would have returned that result?)

[SyK18]

Indy_S wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

OH MAN!!! Here we go. This guy here. Whooohooo. Oh boy. Get a load of this. Bioware definatley listened to you. Damn .005% majority! 

:Pjk. Isn't that the last option.

I can't do that one either. I don't have a truck. 

Not having the truck is the least of my concerns. 

[Indy_S]

DMWW wrote...

(Analogy: Bioware tells us that their telemetry says the majority of DA players didn't finish the game. Do you seriously imagine that an self-selected internet poll would have returned that result?)

I fully expect the majority of ME3 players didn't finish the game. I read somewhere that any given game has maybe 20% of the audience complete it.

[Legbiter]

LeandroBraz wrote...


I don't know if this saying exist on the English language, I will try to do my best translating it, but this is like sh*t, the more you poke it with a stick, the more it will stink. The more Bioware try to change the end and please everyone, the worse it will get....

ME3 is not what I expected, even if I like it, but it's time to move on. The best way for Bioware to fix their mistakes on ME3 is doing better on the next game, not trying to fix ME3 itself. Bioware moved on, time for you to do it too...

This.

Good practical advice that will take the OP far in life.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Indy_S wrote...

DMWW wrote...

(Analogy: Bioware tells us that their telemetry says the majority of DA players didn't finish the game. Do you seriously imagine that an self-selected internet poll would have returned that result?)

I fully expect the majority of ME3 players didn't finish the game. I read somewhere that any given game has maybe 20% of the audience complete it.

I think that the intent of that statement is to show that if they ran a poll on the DA forums, you'd come up with a number that doesn't match reality. The people who frequent the boards are much more likely to have not only completed the game, but have done so more than once; you'd have a near 100% completion rate in one place and the known 20 or so percent done with a different, broader sample group.

Of course, that's just what I got out of it, so who knows.

Modifié par TsaiMeLemoni, 25 février 2013 - 10:54 .

[Indy_S]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

I think that the intent of that statement is to show that if they ran a poll on the DA forums, you'd come up with a number that doesn't match reality. The people who frequent the boards are much more likely to have not only completed the game, but have done so more than once; you'd have a near 100% completion rate in one place and the known 20 or so percent done with a different, broader sample group.

Of course, that's just what I got out of it, so who knows.

Yeah, you're right. My point was more that the involved fanbase represents something lesser than the total consumer base. But while we are something lesser, we are also something more. We are the ones they are trying to appeal to, after all.

[TsaiMeLemoni]

Indy_S wrote...

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

I think that the intent of that statement is to show that if they ran a poll on the DA forums, you'd come up with a number that doesn't match reality. The people who frequent the boards are much more likely to have not only completed the game, but have done so more than once; you'd have a near 100% completion rate in one place and the known 20 or so percent done with a different, broader sample group.

Of course, that's just what I got out of it, so who knows.

Yeah, you're right. My point was more that the involved fanbase represents something lesser than the total consumer base. But while we are something lesser, we are also something more. We are the ones they are trying to appeal to, after all.

Very salient point.

[Applepie_Svk]

Indy_S wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

   Asking for Harbinger to be included in a DLC was also pretty reasonable considering that he was the primary antagonist and Mass Efffect 2 and was evidently supposed to represent Sovereign's successor.  That said, I sincerely hope that they acted on that feed back.

You can´t be attached too much to plot or characters /trollface.jpg

Now, now. That quote was referring to 'writer babies'. Who are we to say whether a plot should be continued or just dropped without ceremony? Writers shouldn't even be obligated to finish their sentences. They shuld be perfectly...

as far as I remember it was reffering to complains about lack of Harbinger.

[Jadebaby]

Carger1887 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

Oh the irony!

[Indy_S]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

as far as I remember it was reffering to complains about lack of Harbinger.

It was the 'explanation' for why Harbinger was cut. The quote means 'We wanted to do something else'. Apparently, in a narrative, you can just stop and do something else because you want to. I know it's true, but it will frustrate the consumers to no end.

[David7204]

That was a single sentence in a fairly long conversation with Merizan and that's it...How about we stop acting as if she consulted with twenty writers beforehand to carefully craft a public statement on BioWare's writing practices?

Also, I'm fairly sure she clarified it immediately afterward.

Modifié par David7204, 25 février 2013 - 11:09 .

[TsaiMeLemoni]

David7204 wrote...

That was a single sentence in a fairly long conversation with Merizan and that's it...How about we stop acting as if she consulted with twenty writers beforehand to carefully craft a public statement on BioWare's writing practices?

That would be boring.

[EnvyTB075]

Everyone who thought there would be post-ending DLC is insane and should lower their expectations.

Those lobbying for post-ending DLC, please continue.

[Indy_S]

David7204 wrote...

That was a single sentence in a fairly long conversation with Merizan and that's it...How about we stop acting as if she consulted with twenty writers beforehand to carefully craft a public statement on BioWare's writing practices?

Also, I'm fairly sure she clarified it immediately afterward.

She did. That's what the 'writer babies' remark was.

[TheProtheans]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Everyone who thought there would be post-ending DLC is insane and should lower their expectations.

Those lobbying for post-ending DLC, please continue.

It is easy to understand why, Bioware keep saying they're listening to our feedback.