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[Nerevar-as]

clarkusdarkus wrote...

Carger1887 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

And you are a blind follower.  Watch the video he posted.  Do a little research.  Look up polls, they aren't hard to find.  If Bioware really had numbers you think they wouldn't release them to justify thier assinine decisions?  They have misled and made false promises throughout this whole debacle.  Why would they stop now?  Every single friend I've talked to, every single person I've raised mass effect 3 with has talked about the ending.  And they are ALL dissatisified, even angry, a full year later.  When you establish trust and make a promise you have an obligation to those that relationship is with.  So cut your bull**** statements and find a little evidence before pretending you know anything.  

perfectly summed up, the droned defending bioware wont even acknowledge the proof in the vid let alone all the polls, they take biowares word as fact and are basically sheep and will swallow whatever biowares massive dong gives them, the proof is in the pudding and poll after poll show the ending is crap and needs rectifying. Other devs admit there mistakes and sorted it out so why dont bioware? Oh yeah i forgot they dont want to be a videogame, unless ofcourse they have dlc they want you to buy.

I´m starting to think EA included a clause that forbids it to avoid scaring shareholders.

Not that driving gamers away, regardless of the reason, is the smarter thing to do.

[clarkusdarkus]

@ uncle jo, my post wasnt aimed at jade, I meant drones rather than a specific drone, was a typo sorry.

[ME859]

Eterna5 wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

http://social.biowar...21/polls/43765/

More recent as in started yesterday. The ones who hate the ending are still in the minority.

Silly racoons.

BSN is slanted towards people still unhappy. Its been that way since day one. It proves nothing. 

How slanted though?  Sure there might be some bias, but if someone had access to the most comprehensive data of players who finished the game and offered you $10 million if you could guess the range of bias on these BSN  polls what would you guess?  10% of happy customers unaccounted for?  20%?  30%?  40%? 50%?

I'm sorry I've seen the slanted poll argument before and it reminds me of the Republicans who insisted that the polls were skewed leading up to the last Presidential Election, going so far as to create a website dedicated to "unskewing" the polls.  The reality was they were pretty much dead on across the board at least in terms of predicting the final result. 

While you're right in that happy customers typically don't complain you also shouldn't forget that for every person that does complain there are 26 that stay silent.  And in a volume based industry like video games one thats now dependent on getitng a large pool of customers to upsell after the initial purchase thats usually not good for business. 

Modifié par ME859, 25 février 2013 - 02:32 .

[Berty213]

clarkusdarkus wrote...
the droned defending bioware wont even acknowledge the proof in the vid let alone all the polls, they take biowares word as fact and are basically sheep and will swallow whatever biowares massive dong gives them, the proof is in the pudding and poll after poll show the ending is crap and needs rectifying.

Mature . I like the EC and am happy with the endings.

[BirdsallSa]

If Bioware listened to every idea on this forum, they'd be driven into the ground. Dinosaur dlc? Dlc specifically dedicated to Miranda? What we need is more content that was planned from the beginning, from the artists who made the story to begin with. You should be grateful that Bioware even reads these forums. But actually taking what posters say into consideration? Many of these people aren't even fans but critics. A real fan doesn't criticize and they certainly don't try to advise the company on how to move forward. A real fan sits and waits for content and they're happy to receive it.

[Indy_S]

BirdsallSa wrote...

A real fan doesn't criticize.

Someone needs to tell me this has been genuinely said. Right now.

[Liamv2]

BirdsallSa wrote...

If Bioware listened to every idea on this forum, they'd be driven into the ground. Dinosaur dlc? Dlc specifically dedicated to Miranda? What we need is more content that was planned from the beginning, from the artists who made the story to begin with. You should be grateful that Bioware even reads these forums. But actually taking what posters say into consideration? Many of these people aren't even fans but critics. A real fan doesn't criticize and they certainly don't try to advise the company on how to move forward. A real fan sits and waits for content and they're happy to receive it.

You do know that is what fans are for to give feedback which is then followed and the next product is an improvement of the past one (hence ME3 not haveing an awful hacking minigame)

[Nerevar-as]

Indy_S wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

A real fan doesn't criticize.

Someone needs to tell me this has been genuinely said. Right now.

It has been actually written. Sad at it is. BW wishes all gamers were like this. thankfully we aren´t.

[Liamv2]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

A real fan doesn't criticize.

Someone needs to tell me this has been genuinely said. Right now.

It has been actually written. Sad at it is. BW wishes all gamers were like this. thankfully we aren´t.

I think all bussiness whould love the customers to be like that

[Chashan]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Is a post-ending DLC really necessary at this stage? With the Extended Cut you have everything wrapped up and all the closure you could possibly need.

Will the galactic goverments try to destroy ShepAIrd? Was that Shepard´s last breath? How could a machine perform a miracle but not distinguish different types of AIs? Why is Javik still alive on synthesis? What do husks think of what was done to them (especially cannibals)? Why is everybody happy after being forced to mutate?

And so on.

There´s no closure. And because of the tone of the ending ***pull, most especulations are of the bad kind. Compare to the ending of The Wheel of Time, which manages to both close the main conflict and launch a thousand especulations and do it right.

Nice this is brought up; while it is apparent at times that the original author himself was not the one to finish the series - rest in peace he may - the final installment of that book-series does indeed make things right in that regard. Key-plot resolved, path laid out for the "cyclical" pattern of fate to continue, key-characters allowed to go on their way in style...

What was pointed out about the series - arguably rightly so - was the huge ballast of minor characters with their own minor arcs that kept being added to the story - to the detriment of it.

In comparison, ME had a fairly straightfoward shot at how the main-plot were to be resolved (enter the Wunderwaffe to be used at the right place, the right time). Yet, despite resorting to such a device that can be executed without too much difficulty, we see where that headed, didn't we?
BW should have saved avantgardism for a different project, wrap up ME in a tested and proven way. Ultimately, it is the developers' own fault for failing to do that. Luckily, fans took care of that particular failing without further charge, and, speaking for myself thus fixed that particular mistake. Salvaging the (somewhat skeptical) interest I'll reserve for their final SP-DLC.

[majinstrings]

Listening doesn't equate to appeasing...

[nrobbiec]

People say bioware doesn't listen. They said they were done with the endings, why don't you listen?

[macrocarl]

Guys. This thread? Come on.

[Kel Riever]

Eterna5 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

You're a minority, BioWare even said so.

Get used to it.

Stay away from commercials.  They are dangerous for you. 

[NM_Che56]

"Polls"...lol

There is a science to polling. Controls and such that you have to implement in order to not screw the results. Science which is not utilized in BSN polls or most media related polls (hence disclaimers that the polls are not scientific).

It's a fact that people who are not happy about something scream the loudest. I'm willing to wager people like me who are satifsfied with the Post- EC endings aren't really all fired up to answer a silly poll about the endings.

[NM_Che56]

nrobbiec wrote...

People say bioware doesn't listen. They said they were done with the endings, why don't you listen?

[UrgentArchengel]

If they listened to each, and every demand (yeah...Demand), they would have ZERO creative control. You guys might as well make your own game instead of playing theirs.

[Kel Riever]

Well, you can see the difference in reaction to the new DLC over at the multiplayer forum. Nobody is worried over there. Some people just wanted more different stuff.

I know most here (including me) prefers single player rpg and that's why they got ME3. But really, maybe BioWare just isn't the company to pull it off anymore. I'm beginning to think EA could think about licensing the rights to do ME's SP to another company, while they work on MP themselves.

[111987]

You can't release Post-Ending DLC because in most endings, Shepard is dead. They're not going to create a DLC that can only be played by making a particular choice or that is only available for a particular faction of gamers.

Nor should they. It's why previous choices never lock you out of content in Mass Effect 3. A developer wants players to experience as much of the content that they made as possible. It is unfair to players whom made other choices.

[AlanC9]

Jassu1979 wrote...
What made the Mass Effect series so spectacular was its focus on choices and consequences.The ending sabotaged/ignored that aspect, and the numerical scores did not really make that much of a difference, even prior to the EC.
What's the use of finding the Leviathans? I'll still end up in the same room, with the same three choices that have not been derived from anything I actually did, and mostly the same dialogue.
What's the use of freeing Omega? I'll still end up in the same room, with the same three choices that did not derive directly from what I did before.

Imagine a version of ME3 where this wasn't true. Say, where you couldn't enough EMS for the breath clip without sabotaging the genophage cure and negotiating a peace at Rannoch.

[AlanC9]

BirdsallSa wrote...

If Bioware listened to every idea on this forum, they'd be driven into the ground. Dinosaur dlc? Dlc specifically dedicated to Miranda? What we need is more content that was planned from the beginning, from the artists who made the story to begin with

Assuming those artists had actually had a plan, of course.

[XxBrokenBonezxX]

HEY. MERIZAN SAYS WE'RE IN THE MINORITY. So, if Merizan says it, it must be true.

They don't give a damn what we want, they care about what fits their artistic vision, however horrible it is, and how much money the can squeeze out of our wallets.

[Hexley UK]

They didn't listen because they know better than you....now get a shovel and get eating.

[Kel Riever]

Hexley UK wrote...

They didn't listen because they know better than you....now get a shovel and get eating.

Would you like a robe with your cult?