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[Erakleitos]

So this means her plan was to do the dark ritual since start, following Flemeth instructions. Maybe Flemeth wanted to possess the child.



That's why Morrigan is suspicious and ask you to get the grimoire when inside the mage tower... she doesn't trust her mother, so she wants to know what's going on. Later she discovers how her mother extends her life, and probably in the second Grimoire there is something in detail about the ritual.

[Sylrien]

Hey everyone, simmer down now.

Let's be logical. I agree/disagree with the original poster....but....

1. Baby/vessel with the essence of the archdemon's untainted soul.

See, after finishing my first playthrough (Yay! So amazing!) and having Alistair schtupp Morrigan so we could live happily ever afterish, I've given this thought.

Whether it's 'tainted' or not isn't so much the issue. It's that there will soon be a physical vessel of great, great power in the hands of a witch who knows how to switch bodies. Now if it is tainted, yes there is a chance the resulting vessel could control the darkspawn and doom and despair. Even if this is not the case, the essence of an old god (or whatever it truly is, powerful dragon, immortal diety? Meh.) is still in the hands of Morrigan/Flemeth. 

2. Old God/Dragon of *Beauty*? 

Maybe a clue to this is the fact this this specific Old God is that of beauty, and it mirrors Morrigan's own fascination with her beauty/vanity. Think of it as a hint, a bit of foreshadowing, maybe.  

I think the clues are there that what will ultimately happen is this baby is the vessel for either Morrigan or Flemeth. Seeing as that Flemeth has lived for hundreds of years, has done so by body switching, and has given the player morrigan to hang out-I  have a feeling that this has been planned by Flemeth from the start. Morrigan joined us knowing this 'dark ritual'. So this is probably the intended result when Flemeth somehow saved you from the Tower of Ishal.

3. The wrench in Flemeth's plan is when we kill her on behalf of Morrigan....or not.

Eh, I like it. It's not the obvious at first, but it eventually is revealed. I have a feeling down the road that we'll be facing Flemeth/Morrigan with the powers of an Old God. S'cool.

Least my elf got to have happily ever after with Alistair though.

[Erakleitos]

No one mentioned that Morrigan is going in Orlais when she's pregnant, why is that?

[CptPatch]

soteria wrote...

The Blight does NOT kill all Life. The darkspawn still continue to multiply. (Can't imagine wanting to live in the body of a darkspawn, but Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and Morrigan has already stated that she doesn't care about beauty; only power.)

I'm guessing you don't like Morrigan, and haven't followed her dialogues very closely? Because she definitely cares a lot about beauty. Her second "special" gift is a mirror. Her regular gifts are jewelry. She definitely cares about beauty--she's a bit vain, in fact.

Well, on this you guessed as wrong as you could possibly guess.  I got M's Approval all the way up to 100 and kept it there, tight up to the Night Before Battle.  As we ran through the dialog, what I _wanted_ (but did not get) was something along the lines of "If I father a child, I insist on being part of his or her upbringing."  Instead, what I got from M was, "Do as I ask, and as soon as the battle is concluded, I will disappear, never to be seen by you again." and "If you do NOT give me what I want right now, once I walk outside this door, you will NEVER see me again."  (First absolute definitive case of M telling the absolute Truth.)  Since I still said "No", she stepped into the hall, turned into a wolf, and ran off, never to be seen again.

And along with here went some seriously good gear and an impressive amount of magical firepower.  Had she remained, the Final Battle was fairly winnable.  Without her, any win would be a by-the-skin-of-our-teeth proposition.  By her departure she essentially optimized the possibility for the party's failure.  Does that sound like True Love to anyone?  Or more like a "Fatal Attraction" psychotic "If I can't have you, then DIE!" reaction?  Hmm, wait.  There is NO "If I can't have you!"  She very cooly stated that regardless of emotional entanglements, the relationship between her and the Hero was OVER, for good and forever, regardless.

Despite the contradictions, ultimately, M is married _only_ to her quest for MORE POWER (insert Tim Allen grunting).

[Ancalimohtar]

CptPatch wrote...

And along with here went some seriously good gear and an impressive amount of magical firepower.  Had she remained, the Final Battle was fairly winnable.  Without her, any win would be a by-the-skin-of-our-teeth proposition.  By her departure she essentially optimized the possibility for the party's failure.  Does that sound like True Love to anyone?

Serious question--how old are you?

Modifié par Ancalimohtar, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:27 .

[Treason1]

Personally, I'm in in the camp that believes that the soul of the Old God will be transferred into Morrigan's child, untainted.  The OId Gods are untainted while laying in their stone prisons within the earth, and it's only the touch of a darkspawn that turns them into an Archdemon.

From how I interpret that, the taint is more physical than it is spiritual and mental.  Eventually, the poison will alter your mind and how you think (Tamlen and Ruhk being examples of this, as well as Branka's lover), but it's a gradual process.  The Old Gods supposedly had something to do with the creation of the darkspawn to begin with (believe or do not believe the Chantry), so having them tainted so quickly could be a side-effect of having their own twisted magic come back to themselves.

Tying this in with my original thought, it's quite possible that Morrigan's child could easily become twisted by exposure to darkspawn taint, become something like an Archdemon in human form, thus validating part of the original poster's thoughts.

Then again, being reborn as a human might have altered enough of the basics of what makes up an "Old God", that the darkspawn taint might not rapidly twist them.  They might even be immune to it, all together.

Who knows?  I'm sure the writers have some idea of what's what and how the what's it and thingamabob ultimately fit together.  Heck, we might even learn more about it, in the upcoming expansion.

[Joseph Silver]

My take on it is that Morrigan is trying to pull a Xanatos Gambit to eliminate the Taint forever. Or perhaps it's the Wheel of Time fan in me that wishes this.

[CptPatch]

[quote]Ancalimohtar wrote...
[/quote]Serious question--how old are you?
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57.

[CptPatch]

Concerning taintedness.
I am pointedly not in the "untainted Old God's soul" camp because of how the transfer works.
1. If killed by a non-Warden, the archdemon's tainted Old God soul transfers to the nearest darkspawn.  The reason it does so is _because_ the darkspawn has tainted blood.
2. Wardens have deliberately taken in tainted blood, just so they get into the darkspawn "network".  Sort of puts them "on the same wavelength".  "We can see them, but they can also see us."
3. If a Grey Warden kills the archdemon, it's soul transfers to THAT Grey Warden -- because he is the nearest source of tainted blood.
4. If the Dark Ritual is performed, when the Grey Warden kills the archdemon, the soul bypasses him, any other nearby darkspawn, and instead heads straight for the fetus.
5. Since what the soul looks for during the transfer is a repository of taint, what is it about the fetus that is transmitting the homing beacon?  It MUST be the _one_ thing the Warden has (that other untainted men wouldn't have) that transfers to Morrigan during intercourse.  That is, a trace of taint that travels with the Warden's other bodily fluids.

Because it is ONLY taint that the Old God soul focuses on during transfer, it means that despite what Morrigan says, she MUST in fact have been tainted to the extent that her newly-forming fetus has become a taint repository.  And the Dark Ritual boosts the "signal" to make it a beacon for the Old God soul.

All this pretty much means that Morrigan was pointedly lying when she described what the ritual does.  And she MUST lie to the Warden, because when it comes right down to it, his #1 job objective is to kill tainted Old God souls.  If he knew that there was even a small chance that that soul would possibly get loose again, it would inevitably summon up another Blight of darkspawn.  If Morrigan told him the whole Truth, there is a near-100% probability that his answer would be "No."  So she lies convincingly and she gets what she wants.

And what could a powerful witch possibly want with a situation that would eventually give her the power to summon an entire darkspawn Blight?  And a heap more magical mojo than she had before.

Modifié par CptPatch, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Erakleitos wrote...

No one mentioned that Morrigan is going in Orlais when she's pregnant, why is that?

I liked to think she was fulfilling her promise to Alistair, that the baby wouldn't be a threat to Ferelden.

[saizetsu]

You Know Morrigan mentions right before the dark ritual that she now knows why her mother sent her with you ~___~ so no flemeth had it planned from the beginning not morrigan.



Plus if you play as a male the ring tells you she feels sorrow and regret at one point >-> she still loves the PC and despite it all she loves him so if you deny her the ritual since your the first she's actually fallen in love with how do you know she just didn't want to watch your PC die?

[CptPatch]

The implication of the Black Grimoire is that Flemeth is planning ahead and creating a more powerful host she can transfer into later. And with the Dark Ritual, she will have a VERY powerful host to use when that time comes. With Flemeth out of the way, it MUST be _very_ appealing to Morrigan to continue the whole body-swapping routine. It is, after all, the closest thing to immortality any human is likely to see, AND Flemeth is proof that the technique works.



But to pull it off, Morrigan MUST have a pliable Grey Warden to impregnate her at just the right time, _and_ be capable of actually killing the archdemon. If the Hero is male, he must pretty much look like the best candidate. If female, then Morrigan needs to persuade her to persuade Alistair to be the papa.



Morrigan is in no position to _force_ any Grey Warden to do her bidding. So, "You can get more when you use honey than when you use vinegar."



As for the ring, by the time the Hero gets it, he only gets it if he is male, and has already slept with her. That has to be pretty far along in the adventure. Obviously, there will be a lot of hairy moments before the party gets to the archdemon. There would be a distinct possibility that the Grey Warden might get himself into a bind and need rescuing. It's effectively a form of insurance; AAA for Grey Wardens in distress. Given the Romance level to get to that point, there's a HIGH probability that if perceived as a token of affection, he will actually keep it on his person at all times.



The fact that no matter how high the Approval rating, Morrigan will NOT give the ring to a female Grey Warden pretty nuch shows that it is the Warden's maleness that determines whether or not the ring is given. To the male Warden she says, "You're too important for us to risk losing you." But that is not a concern, just because the party leader is a female?



Uh-uh, I'm not buying it. Morrigan's ONLY real concern is having a Warden make her pregnant at the right moment. Once that prospect is dashed, there's no further point for her to risk life and limb. Best to disappear -- which she does, if the answer is "No" -- and follow the Flemeth game plan of trading bodies with future daughters until the next Blight opportunity arises and she can play the same gambit on some other unsuspecting male Warden.

[Fishy]

CptPatch wrote...

1. Can you believe Morrigan on this subject? Remember that it has been her intention all along, from her departure from Flemeth's hut up until the night before battle, she had not mentioned the option of the ritual. How could the fetus NOT be tainted, since it was the tainted blood in the fetus that attracts the Old God's soul at the crucial moment?
2. SPOILER. Even if Morrigan's Approval of you is 100 (Love), if you refuse to let her get impregnated by you or Alistair, she will leave that night, abandoning you (the person she supposedly loves) right when you will need her the most for the coming battle. Apparently, if you don't give her what she wants, she has no further use for you.
3. In several places they speak of what happens to the Old God soul if it wasn't a Warden that kills it. It transfers to the nearest darkspawn-blooded creature. Eventually it works it's way back into a dragon body as it transfers around. If it transfers into the fetus, it probably becomes the mother's prisoner (if that mother knows what is going on and has enough power of her own). Whatever the reason, _Morrigan_ believes she would take command of the Old God soul and bend it to her bidding.
4. When Morrigan got her hands on the Black Grimoire she explains that in it it says that the more powerful the host, the "easier it is for her to settle in". The general impression I got was that the more powerful the host, the more powerful Flemeth/Morrigan would be.

I _really_ get the impression that the ultimate goal is eventually harness all that power and then to start a campaign to make the entire world bend knee to the all-powerful Morrigan. (Putting her inferiority complex to rest once and for all.)

1:Yeah it's was her plan ... But she never knew that Flemeth would eventually kill her.She did not know either the true motive of Flemeth ..She tell the Warden that she understand more her Mother and want to complete the ritual after reading in flemeth book.

2:That what i don't really understand.She stay if you impregnate her.Even though she can be anywhere.She don't have to be close to the archdemon..But leave right away if you refuse the offer.If you don't have her come with you to fight the archdemon.She's clearly pissed.I simply don't understand her.If you insist  .. She tell you that it's hard for her to leave .. But that her destiny and you have YOUR destiny .. I find this ironic .. because Morrigan ain't the type to believe in fate.

3:You're making off thing.She never said she would bind him .. She just said it's has to be saved and she will tech the kids his origins.Nothing more..But that she has to be away from civilization.

4:Morrigan ain't Flemeth .

[CptPatch]

Suprez30 wrote...
4:Morrigan ain't Flemeth .

Don't minimize the fact that Morrigan's ONLY emotional conditioning came from Flemeth -- a woman whose only concern for her daughter was to someday use the daughter as a host.  ALL of Morrigan's interactions with other people had her seeing them only with suspicion and distrust.  Essentially, she's been brainwashed for 18 or so years as to what is the "right" way to view the world and other people.

Does she even know what "love" is?  And as she boldly states in several places, "Love is a weakness."  And, if anything, Morrigan fears being weak.  _Anything_ that makes her weak is something to be shunned.

If you accept the statement that Flemeth did indeed prolong her life by repeatedly transferring to her daughters' bodies, then you must pretty well conclude that Morrigan's plan is to continue Flemeth's game plan.  If you hold that Morrigan would eschew the idea and treat her offspring in a nurturing and loving manner, you obviously believe in miracles.  In which case Leliana would most likely strike you as a good role model.

Anyway, IF Morrigan _does_ plan to follow the path set by Flemeth, then she MUST know that anyone that she may fall in "love" with is an ephemeral: they're born, live, and then die comparatively quickly.  That virile young man that she fancied is doomed to quickly (compared to someone with the prospect of living for centuries) die.  Can you for a single moment imagine Morrigan doting on the wizened shell of a man, just because once she had feelings for him.  She's more likely to cast Life Drain on him and get it over with quickly.  NOT to be merciful, but rather to get rid of the bother that much sooner.

[Shenordak]

I think you are all being a bit harsh on Morrigan. We don't know her motives, not really. For all we know she might be trying to purify the soul of the old god by drawing it into her, or something similar. I can't be simple lust for power, it's to simple and obvious and I really hope Bioware has something else in store.



And another thing. Do we know why she leaves if she can't have her way? Personally I think it could be that it is her own taint, I mean she IS the daughter of a demonically touched super-witch. What if the archdemon might infect her just as easily as a Grey Warden? Perhaps the child acts as a kind of shield, its innocence protecting its mother from the archdemon and allowing her to take its power?



Anyway, we will probably have to wait until the sequel.

[Bagheeris]

I think it's very questionnable whether Morrigan can use the same "soul-transfer" as Flemmeth. Morrigan is, for all we know, just a human mage. Ok, she may have some specific ancient know-how, but that's it.

Now Flemmeth, that's an interesting being. If we believe Morrigan, who herself just speculates on the point but seems to be honest (*), Flemmets is some specific kind of abomination. A union of mortal human and some Fade creature. Maybe something like Wynne but much stronger.

I seriously doubt that Morrigan can follow Flemmeth's ritual without the "support" from the demonic possesion, even with all knowledge gained from the Grimoire.

(*) As far as i know, in the whole game, Morrigan does not outrightly lie. Not once. She sure does keep alot of information just for herself, she refuses to answer questions, but i have not caught her saying anything i know she knows is not true. In fact, she seems to be incapable of subtle manipulations - which is not that surprising, since she had little opportunities to learn that.

[InvaderErl]

Plus from a dramatic standpoint that she would only want the child for a soul transfer is rather boring. I doubt the Bioware writers are going to take that route.

[DJ0000]

Since the power of the archdemon is connected to the soul of the old god then if either of them were to take over the body and kick out the old god, the power would surely leave with the old god's soul.

[InvaderErl]

Werd.

[CptPatch]

Ah, so many points to touch upon.

Lying is like bluffing in poker: it works best if you hardly ever resort to it.  Get known for lying/bluffing frequently and people will start to distrust what you have to say, just as a matter of course.

In regards to Flemeth, either she _can_ transfer to another's body, or she can _not_ do it.  If she can't, then pointedly, Morrigan was lying about what she learned from the Black grimoire and she's trying to manipulate the Warden into eliminating her old "boss"/competitor.

If Flemeth CAN do such a transfer, then things with Morrigan become much more Machiavellian.  For starters, the solitary person that has "trained" Morrigan for all her life is Flemeth.  That means, once again pointedly, that Morrigan has been brainwashed for almost 20 years as to what is the "right" and "wrong" way to view the world.  SHE HAD NO ALTERNATE VIEW to see otherwise.

If you're going to take the view of  "Well, I haven't caught her in a lie" don't forget to add the word "yet".  You KNOW from the way Morrigan tells you about the Dark Ritual that she went with the Wardens specifically to be in a position to perform the ritual.  If that is the case, then what was that little vignette that plays out back at Flemeth's hut?  Morrigan behaves as if her mother just took her by surprise, making it look like Flemeth's offer came out of nowhere.  BUT that simply can't be the case, because if Morrigan knows that she will be with the Wardens to hopefully perform the Dark Ritual, then she already knew she would be leaving with them.

If you still insist that Morrigan doesn't do bald-faced lies, but DOES hold things back, consider this:  NOWHERE does Morrigan stipulate that _she_ cannot do the body transference the same as Flemeth.  She DOES point out that the Black Grimiore is a thorough how-to manual and a record of each daughter that Flemeth has used in the past..  At the very minimum, you should be considering that it's a very distinct possibility that Morrigan intends to follow in her mother's footsteps.  If you do NOT consider that possibility, you're engaging in wishful thinking and doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears while going, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah...."  AND putting all of Thedas at risk by not being cautious about this matter.

And -- new observation -- recall the cutscene in camp between Morrigan and Dog.  "He's just being being manipulative.  I know he is because I do it too."  [Just thought I'd toss that one out there for food for thought.]

As for, "I doubt that BioWare would settle for a plot that boils down to little more than a play for more power", well, they've buried the clues well enough that it is NOT obvious; note this discussion as proof of how well they blurred the situation.  Then compare this situation to how subtly they dealt with the "secret" about Shale.

Modifié par CptPatch, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:44 .

[InvaderErl]

But by your argument you have as much proof as anyone. Its all speculation, I doubt they're going to go the route that you think they are, simply out of virtue of being the worst route that they could take,  but I don't have any actual proof. Neither do you.

One thing though, you write,

"If that is the case, then what was that little vignette that plays out back at Flemeth's hut? Morrigan behaves as if her mother just took her by surprise, making it look like Flemeth's offer came out of nowhere. BUT that simply can't be the case, because if Morrigan knows that she will be with the Wardens to hopefully perform the Dark Ritual, then she already knew she would be leaving with them."

If you listen to the dialogue she says that she is not ready, and this is not the way she wanted it to happen - so her surprise is in fact genuine, she had no idea that she was to be sent with the Wardens under THESE circumstances.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 janvier 2010 - 08:52 .

[Joshd21]

Not sure this is much of a spoiler, Morrgian made it clear that she made it clear she was teaching the child herself and if you know Morrgian's whole playthrough throughout the game she says

Power has meaning,

her fixture on power which dissapproves if helping anyone but yourself and turning down any moral choices to grant yourself this power. Pretty Obvious that she plans to use the child to her own benfit, that shes not interested in saving your life but interested the ancient power of an old god soul

Though the question is not about about that, but what will unfold in the Dragon Age 2, the who, what and why I think will all be explained. I think it could even be built up to a final dragon age 3, or even 4. Thing is with Magic/creatures etc you can always bring a new monster

Like the darkspawn who can now talk, change some things and you have a string of an expansion. This seems to focus more on Grey Warden Orgins, then just Dragon Age..but perhaps they are the same

[CptPatch]

InvaderErl wrote...
"...she had no idea that she was to be sent with the Wardens under THESE circumstances."

Morrigan is a smart girl, right?  What _other_ circumstances are available to her?  She and Flemeth know that they have the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden with them.  AND Flemeth clearly states that "...we can't be losing the last Grey Wardens while there is a Blight to be dealt with."  Flemeth pretty much insists that Morrigan MUST go with the Wardens, in order to maximize their chance of survival.  Even if you try to suggest that you don't want to take take Morrigan, Flemeth becomes downright insistent.  All this points towards a game plan that suggests Flemeth is insinuating Morrigan into the party no matter what.  And Morrigan _should_ be smart enough to realize, as Elvis sings, "It's now or never...."

Out of curiosity:  Has ANYONE ever tried to refuse to take Morrigan along from Flemeth's hut?

[Joshd21]

CptPatch wrote...

Ah, so many points to touch upon.

Lying is like bluffing in poker: it works best if you hardly ever resort to it.  Get known for lying/bluffing frequently and people will start to distrust what you have to say, just as a matter of course.

In regards to Flemeth, either she _can_ transfer to another's body, or she can _not_ do it.  If she can't, then pointedly, Morrigan was lying about what she learned from the Black grimoire and she's trying to manipulate the Warden into eliminating her old "boss"/competitor.

If Flemeth CAN do such a transfer, then things with Morrigan become much more Machiavellian.  For starters, the solitary person that has "trained" Morrigan for all her life is Flemeth.  That means, once again pointedly, that Morrigan has been brainwashed for almost 20 years as to what is the "right" and "wrong" way to view the world.  SHE HAD NO ALTERNATE VIEW to see otherwise.

If you're going to take the view of  "Well, I haven't caught her in a lie" don't forget to add the word "yet".  You KNOW from the way Morrigan tells you about the Dark Ritual that she went with the Wardens specifically to be in a position to perform the ritual.  If that is the case, then what was that little vignette that plays out back at Flemeth's hut?  Morrigan behaves as if her mother just took her by surprise, making it look like Flemeth's offer came out of nowhere.  BUT that simply can't be the case, because if Morrigan knows that she will be with the Wardens to hopefully perform the Dark Ritual, then she already knew she would be leaving with them.

If you still insist that Morrigan doesn't do bald-faced lies, but DOES hold things back, consider this:  NOWHERE does Morrigan stipulate that _she_ cannot do the body transference the same as Flemeth.  She DOES point out that the Black Grimiore is a thorough how-to manual and a record of each daughter that Flemeth has used in the past..  At the very minimum, you should be considering that it's a very distinct possibility that Morrigan intends to follow in her mother's footsteps.  If you do NOT consider that possibility, you're engaging in wishful thinking and doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears while going, "Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah...."  AND putting all of Thedas at risk by not being cautious about this matter.

And -- new observation -- recall the cutscene in camp between Morrigan and Dog.  "He's just being being manipulative.  I know he is because I do it too."  [Just thought I'd toss that one out there for food for thought.]

As for, "I doubt that BioWare would settle for a plot that boils down to little more than a play for more power", well, they've buried the clues well enough that it is NOT obvious; note this discussion as proof of how well they blurred the situation.  Then compare this situation to how subtly they dealt with the "secret" about Shale.

I'd like to each touch on your points equally, mine will not be as long but they will be meant to answer the question at hand.

Morrgian does not confirm or say what she can or can't do. You see, just because she doesn't say I can't transform my body into body of others doesn't mean she can, also doesn't mean she can not. She and I believe this is my thought

That she cannot, or she would have used it to her advantage. I don't think she knew about her mothers power or she would have already done it. She is interested in spanning out her life span yes, though she doesn't discover how to go it untill she reaches upon the book

You are right, she doesn't hold things back/confirm/deny she could do all of those things, or she could do none of those things, fact is we don't know we can assume though logical point of view would be Morrgian doesn't know how to expand her lifespan untill she gets her mothers book

Comparing their two powers, Morrgian can transform into a spider/wolf/bear and her mother can transform into a large dragon. Also the line Morrgian says I plan to find out, more then my mother wished me to know can be directed at expanding her life span or simply power

Point two,

The thing you bring up the dog. Says Morrgian does say that, and she even tells you about her past. When someone accused her of being a witch and she batted her eyelashes at the captain of the guard. You know she is very smart and manipulative. That being said

Though she is clearly sharp, why would she hold so much about her past. Then say something if she didn't intend on purpose for you to hear it nothing done with Morrgian, not much anyways is done by accident. Her Mother rescused you

for the purpose of her doing the ritual that much is clear. Unclear if her mother planned to poss her body or the babys. Considering the person has to be born and trained in spells makes the process easier, and considering Morrgian's mother how old she looked

Most likely she planned to take control of Morrgian's body then perhaps the child. Though Morrgian can do that now if she wished, she has the tools now if you gave her the book

[InvaderErl]

CptPatch wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

"...she had no idea that she was to be sent with the Wardens under THESE circumstances."

Morrigan is a smart girl, right? What _other_ circumstances are available to her? She and Flemeth know that they have the last two Grey Wardens in Ferelden with them. AND Flemeth clearly states that "...we can't be losing the last Grey Wardens while there is a Blight to be dealt with." Flemeth pretty much insists that Morrigan MUST go with the Wardens, in order to maximize their chance of survival. Even if you try to suggest that you don't want to take take Morrigan, Flemeth becomes downright insistent. All this points towards a game plan that suggests Flemeth is insinuating Morrigan into the party no matter what. And Morrigan _should_ be smart enough to realize, as Elvis sings, "It's now or never...."



Out of curiosity: Has ANYONE ever tried to refuse to take Morrigan along from Flemeth's hut?

She likely intended to wait for the Orlesian Grey Wardens to show up and knock one up before the last battle. No fuss, no muss. Gaider said as much when somebody asked why she was so mean to Alistair if she needed him (if the Warden is female).



I'd like to post more but I have to run.