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[Redbelle]

Shepard goes down? That's fine. The idea of hero's dying with their hands round the throat's of their enemies and vice versa is already out there.

That said, I'm disappointed that Shepard got killed by a raptured fuel tank, was disintegrated by a beam of green or <shudders> figuratively sticking his finger's in a plug socket.

These are not heroic death's. Taken seperately and without the context of what come's after, they are inherently daft action's taken on the advice of a glowing sparkle boy who take's after Macaulay Culkin.

Shepard's nature is that he is a soldier who fight's battle's. Dying in above described three way's is counter to that nature. Had event's turned out that Shepard used the Catalyst, blew up the majoirty of the Reaper's, hopped a escape shuttle back down to Earth to be shot out of the sky by Harby with a really hacked off look in his eye. Fallen to Earth ahead of the Citadel Arm's and subsequently had to run from Harby while pulling him under the impact site of an arm where Shep smile's and tells Harby to look up before they are both subsequently crushed........... Hey, it's not pretty, but Shep stare's his enemy in the face and makes the sacrifice that will save all the ground troop's from a harby rampage. Squad included.

Of course, it will never happen.

BW have made their bed when it comes to the ending, and expect their fan's to lay in it. It's a tragedy compounded that ME3 was supposed to be a great game in it's own right. And it was! Minor niggles aside.it was the culmination of year's of work that showed everyone that not only was this type of story telling is possible at a high level of quality, but that BW could pull this sort of thing off 3 time's in a succession

But still, ME3 will alway's have the stigma of that ending. It may be brushed under the carpet and consigned to history, but history will alway's remember.

And as for Shepard? I won't remember him or her for the fate they went too. I remember them for their fighting spirit and willingness to stand up when no one else would, to a threat that dwarfed him.

Modifié par Redbelle, 25 février 2013 - 07:26 .

[MassEffect762]

Shepard defiled by rEApers.

Modifié par MassEffect762, 25 février 2013 - 07:25 .

[RGC_Ines]

Raddx Fusion wrote...

By now it is common knowledge that many fans were displeased with the endings for ME3. I myself enjoyed the ending to what I consider to be the greatest trilogy of games I have ever played. With that being said, while not necessarily sharing the views of some of these people, I can understand where they are coming from.

The purpose of this topic is to gain insight into how people envisioned their Shepard's fate. I see many posters wishing for a happy ending for Shepard's story arc and seeing him/her survive and reunite with their squad. So my question to everyone is, regardless of your opinions on the ending, focusing solely on Shepard's fate, were you pleased with the fact that your Shepard either lived (open to interpretation in destroy) or died.

I personally was happy that the generic 'happy ever after' wasn't available for me. Although the option would have been nice, I have always seen ME3 and ending the conflict with the reapers as a finality for my Shepard and was pleased that he was able to die a hero in the closing moments of the trilogy.

How do you all feel about Shepard's fate?

I wasn't happy with my Shep fate in the Synthesis ending to be honest. But I quite like Control ending ( Paragon). My most favourite is Destroy ending with high EMS enough to save Earth. In this end ( in my head canon) she died knowing that she save most of the ppl and Earth, and what's more important Reapers no longer exist.. It's good end of my Sheps story. Im not sure if I really want survive option or re-unite scene for her...Maybe it would be different if I could kept her romance option.

[Fnork]

Feels like a letdown, like Shepard went out with a whimper. I expected the character to die, but not like this. Everything that follows from the moment you get hit by the beam to RGB feels anti climatic and very out of my control. What I was hoping for was something with a good dose of asskickery. I didn't quite get 300.

In ME1 we saved the Destiny Ascension, beat the heretic Geth and destroyed Sovereign. In ME2 we beat the odds and the collectors. In ME3 we ... uhm ... went for a limp, talked an indoctrinated lunatic down, picked a color and died. Sure, we won. Yay. Emphasis is still on the limping bonanza, Tim's hissy fit and the catalyst and his prattle about Shepard's essence.

Modifié par Fnork, 25 février 2013 - 08:47 .

[celestialfury]

It's not the fact Shepard dies, it's how. Final 5 minutes of the game, Starbrat b.s happens, you're introduced to 3 wtf options, which involve : getting disintegrated to control the reapers, getting disintegrated and spread your dna throughout the galaxy and everyone becomes a organic/synthetic hybrid, or shoot some wires so it blows up in your face. IMHO, it hardly feels like a satisfying way for a 3 games protagonist to go out. I think DA:O handled the protagonist's fate better.

[AlanC9]

FOX216BC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I personally think that the whole "breath scene could mean he died" argument is a bit ... I don't know...weak?

Kinda like saying "Sure...uh...yeah, why not". LOL. Whatever makes people less pissed off.

Some people really do prefer that Shepard dies there; sometimes just to wrap up his story, sometimes so he doesn't have to live with guilt. I don't think there are very many of them, but I've seen this sort of thing posted a few times.

First off LOLOLOLOLOL
Second if people really prefer Shepard to die, well then there's no point to the breath scene is there?
It add's no value at all in case he is death.

Right. People who don't want Shepard to live don't want the breath scene in the first place. But getting it doesn't hurt them since they can just interpret it as his last breath.

It's a weird interpretation. But if it makes them happier, why not?

[o Ventus]

Synthesis - Shepard dies.

Control - Shepard dies.

Destroy - Shepard maybe dies, although anyone with a basic understanding of the human body can tell you he's going to be a corpse.

So not only is my preferred choice so ridiculously ambiguous, but all 3 choices themselves were disconnected from everything that came before.

Modifié par o Ventus, 25 février 2013 - 07:46 .

[MECavScout01]

I don't like the forced bitterness and sacrifice.

I wanted Shepard's fate to be a bit more polished than lying half-dead in a pile of rubble.

[Cobretti ftw]

Still disapointed. The ending is boring and inchoherent.


I think that control and refusal are the only valid options in the endings. That destroy stuff that would wipe out all synthetic life would be valid but not with the cruciable. And i think that it would be best to have more endings, and them not involving the cruciable.

Even 2 controls, like decide what u want to do with the reapers.

AND a happy ending that should have been the most difficult to achieve. LIke if it was VERY dependent on doing secret side missions to earn max number possible of war assets. ANd making correct decisions. Making it dependable on having a certain number of war assets plus the correct choices to achieve. THat would make replaying ME3 much more enjoyable.

BUt priority earth REALLY needs an overhaul. And thats in ANY case.

[Reorte]

Dying a hero is a tired cliche and the method was contrived. The odds are you either live as a hero or die trying. And because the characters were so great I wanted them to come out of it all as happy as I would want real people to, where in the unlikely chance of a heroic death the edge might be taken off the grief (made harder when you know it only ended up like that because someone decided it'll happen) but doesn't stop it from being grief. Now I'm not so out of touch with reality that I felt exactly the same as if it had all been real but it's a shade of that.

And even when conclusively dead it was hardly going down in a blaze of glory, just "OK, I'll vapourise myself if you ask."

Modifié par Reorte, 25 février 2013 - 07:58 .

[Felya87]

If Shepard died in a meaningful way, with a epic bang, well, I would even be ok with his/her Death. Not really much, because I hate dramatic endings.
I find satisfation when after loss, death, sadness, hurt, there is something happy. I hate the death of the protagonist, usually.(what can I say, I grow up with the old Star Wars trilogy and Disney. And I love them both. I don't understand why people hate so much Disney's movie...as those are the only ones who end in a happy note...)
usually a story is the journey of a character, who grow up during the adventure. what is the sense of all the lessons learned, of all the people met, of all the suffering, if in the end the character die, without having the chance to use all his new knowlenge?

still, I can even appreciated the character death, expecially if is of old age. (like Bicentellian man). If ME3 was unrelated with the Shepard I played from ME1, I would be annoyed, but not angry at his/her death. But I invested far too much time to simly let die that character. Too many hours thinking about his/her actions, creating his/her nature, frienship and love...

no, too sad and unsatisfating let He/She die in one of those pathetic way.

Shepard didn't died as a hero. he died an idiotic death, in the terms of his/her enemy, after the primise that in ME3 there should have been endings who would satisfay every taste. And I think I'm not the only one who would have liked see His/her Shepard get out of the rubble and see what would be of the world she/he just helped save.

really, the more simple ending is the only one we didn't have. Why so? too hard give a satisfation to the players who don't like drama?

And if there is no way of a different outcome for Shepard than rubble/green blob/total genocide or frightenig presence in the space, can the MEHEM or something like that be available for console players too?

(soory for my english)

[clarkusdarkus]

I'll let you know when he/she gets up off the floor

[DOsquareZER]

MECavScout01 wrote...

I don't like the forced bitterness and sacrifice.

I wanted Shepard's fate to be a bit more polished than lying half-dead in a pile of rubble.

Pretty much this.
All in all I fart in the general direction of shepard's so called forced fate and this lame ass thing they call an ending.   

[Redbelle]

AlanC9 wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Master Che wrote...

I personally think that the whole "breath scene could mean he died" argument is a bit ... I don't know...weak?

Kinda like saying "Sure...uh...yeah, why not". LOL. Whatever makes people less pissed off.

Some people really do prefer that Shepard dies there; sometimes just to wrap up his story, sometimes so he doesn't have to live with guilt. I don't think there are very many of them, but I've seen this sort of thing posted a few times.

First off LOLOLOLOLOL
Second if people really prefer Shepard to die, well then there's no point to the breath scene is there?
It add's no value at all in case he is death.

Right. People who don't want Shepard to live don't want the breath scene in the first place. But getting it doesn't hurt them since they can just interpret it as his last breath.

It's a weird interpretation. But if it makes them happier, why not?

It's not that Shepard live's or dies, for me, it's that the sequence of event's provides no resolution to the question did Shepard survive.

Stories can have unanswered question's and speculation in them......... but stories that rely solely on these thing's at the ending where thing's are supposed to be resolved and tied up are........... "Frustrating"!

That's the word I've been looking for all this time. I'm frustrated that the game developer's decided to not decide on what happened. The Canon is undecided and warp's depending on the POV of the individual. Whereas if Shepard had been been seen walking towards camera giving a full face shot and then depicted walking away as the camera flip's to show Shepard's back walking off into the sunset........ we would have had over a year's worth of speculation as to how that breath scene signified the continuation, or demise of Shepard.

To this end, the fan's do not know if Shepard live's or die's because BW could not decide one way or the other how to resolve this final/not so final branch of Shepard's destroy narrative.

Even having had a BW employee say he live's has not convinced the fan's because the word of a BW employee is not seen as canon. The event's in the game are canon and as I already said, the canon is not conclusive to one or the other.

So yeah, frustrated.

[huntrrz]

Gilsa wrote...

Did Shepard live or was that the last gasp? Oh, hey, it's up to our head-canon.

Yep!  I'm planning on head-cannoning that the Citadel adventure happens after the Destroy ending.  There will be glaring inconsistencies, I'm sure - but it's not like we don't already have those.

[CaIIisto]

I'm going to say 'not happy', and leave it at that.

[Seival]

Raddx Fusion wrote...

How do you all feel about Shepard's fate?

Her fate is legendary.

I find the ending's concept perfect.

Modifié par Seival, 25 février 2013 - 09:04 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Raddx Fusion wrote...

How do you all feel about Shepard's fate?

Her fate is legendary.

I find the ending's concept perfect.

how can a fate be legendary? ... her obituary can .. her actions can ... her drinking skills can ... 

but her fate is unclear to the ingame-public in every ending and even unclear to the player, in 1 1/2 out of four endings.

in destroy shep dies at some point - but we dont know when ... the remaining forces could fight on for years.

[New Display Name]

I would prefer that Shepard survived (more than already with destroy), but with greater casualties. However, I'm ok with or like the EC ending.

Modifié par HJF4, 25 février 2013 - 09:08 .

[AlanC9]

Redbelle wrote...

That's the word I've been looking for all this time. I'm frustrated that the game developer's decided to not decide on what happened. The Canon is undecided and warp's depending on the POV of the individual. Whereas if Shepard had been been seen walking towards camera giving a full face shot and then depicted walking away as the camera flip's to show Shepard's back walking off into the sunset........ we would have had over a year's worth of speculation as to how that breath scene signified the continuation, or demise of Shepard.

You mean "would not have had," right?

It's a pity more people didn't express feelings like this before Bio did the EC. Back then the most common post about the breath scene was that it obviously meant that Shepard was alive, and the problem was that you couldn't get the scene without MP or savegame editing.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2013 - 09:18 .

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

You mean "would not have had," right?

It's a pity more people didn't express feelings like this before Bio did the EC. Back then the most common post about the breath scene was that it obviously meant that Shepard was alive, and the problem was that you couldn't get the scene without MP or savegame editing.

You're half-right.

People were upset that the only hint that Shepard was alive was hidden behind a multiplayer wall.

the only hint.  

[Jassu1979]

For me, the problem never hinged on whether the ending was "happy" or not. (Although I *do* think that there should have been an optional happy ending if you managed an absolutely perfect playthrough with the best score possible.)

For me, the deal-breaker was the fact that the final ten minutes basically did not tell Shepard's story at all, and made her a mere accessory to the Catalyst's story. No matter what you did, no matter what choices you made or what their consequences were, you always ended up in the same room, shuffling towards the same color-coded options.

So, I managed to broker a peace between the geth and the quarians, uniting creators and created in a symbiotic, productive relationship?
Doesn't matter, choose red, green, or blue.
I cured the genophage, or else killed two friends in order to gain the Salarians' support?
Doesn't matter, choose red, green, or blue.
I destroyed the Collector base, or else handed it over to Cerberus?
Doesn't matter, choose red, green, or blue.

The only way for me to TRULY fix the ending is to remove the Star Child and everything it does to the plot at large: reapers as mindless puppets, Citadel as home to the "collective reaper intelligence", the cycle as an act of charity... ugh! Just writing about it makes me cringe.

So, how do I feel about Shepard's fate?
Well, for starters, I think that martyrdom is in many ways just as clichéd and overused as the proverbial "Star Wars medal ceremony".
ESPECIALLY when you play the Jesus card, which ME3 pretty much did by turning Shepard into the literal saviour whose sacrificed body "cures" the galaxy in the Synthesis ending.

That said, I would not mind sad OR happy endings to the story, provided they made sense in the context of the series as a whole, and truly incorporated/derived from previous decisions and a conclusion that focused on SHEPARD's story, not somebody else's.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

To have to "envision" Shepard's fate at all is a bad sign...

A good story is told, not speculated about.  We can speculate about what happens to Shepard without buying or playing the game at all.  We buy and play the game to "find out" what happens.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 25 février 2013 - 09:36 .

[Reorte]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

To have to "envision" Shepard's fate at all is a bad sign...

A good story is told, not speculated about.  We can speculate about what happens to Shepard without buying or playing the game at all.  We buy and play the game to "find out" what happens.

Statements of the obvious aren't welcome here.