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[2484Stryker]

My ideal ending would have been for Shepard to somehow save the galaxy (and defeat the Reapers) by sacrificing himself. Not in the same manner as jumping through hoops at the Catalyst's say-so, but something more profound, emotional, and non-trivial.

[xAmilli0n]

I'm pretty pleased with Shep's fate. Nothing I didn't expect.

[shepskisaac]

2484Stryker wrote...

My ideal ending would have been for Shepard to somehow save the galaxy (and defeat the Reapers) by sacrificing himself. Not in the same manner as jumping through hoops at the Catalyst's say-so, but something more profound, emotional, and non-trivial.

So, Control ending.

o Ventus wrote...

Destroy - Shepard maybe dies, although anyone with a basic understanding of the human body can tell you he's going to be a corpse.

And this basic understanding of the human body should tell you that there shouldn't be any body left if that explosion (which was scientifically unrealistic BTW - tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace ) to give last breath before "dying". Therefore you can't apply science facts to something that's already unrealistic in the first place.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 25 février 2013 - 10:11 .

[AlanC9]

Not to mention that there wouldn't have been any air left anyway.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2013 - 10:23 .

[AlanC9]

iakus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You mean "would not have had," right?

It's a pity more people didn't express feelings like this before Bio did the EC. Back then the most common post about the breath scene was that it obviously meant that Shepard was alive, and the problem was that you couldn't get the scene without MP or savegame editing.

You're half-right.

People were upset that the only hint that Shepard was alive was hidden behind a multiplayer wall.

the only hint.  

They weren't actually saying that, though. Well, Getorex was saying that it didn't matter since Shepard was going to die anyway, but nobody took him too seriously after he got onto that Planet Incestus thing.

I can see why they weren't. There's an unfortunate tendency to gravitate to rhetorically strong arguments even if they're not quite making the point you need made. See, for instance, claiming that "my Shep wouldn't choose any of these options" and getting Refuse, which was what everyone asked for but not what everyone wanted.

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2013 - 10:27 .

[o Ventus]

IsaacShep wrote...

And this basic understanding of the human body should tell you that there shouldn't be any body left if that explosion (which was scientifically unrealistic BTW - tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace ) to give last breath before "dying". Therefore you can't apply science facts to something that's already unrealistic in the first place.

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

[crimzontearz]

o Ventus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

And this basic understanding of the human body should tell you that there shouldn't be any body left if that explosion (which was scientifically unrealistic BTW - tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace ) to give last breath before "dying". Therefore you can't apply science facts to something that's already unrealistic in the first place.

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

Preston says he lives....he lives


 
Shall we question Lazarus too?

[MECavScout01]

As a lot of people have said. I'm fine with an option for Shepard to die.

However, that was never going to be the case for my Shepard. I played from the beginning of ME1 knowing that he'd live. Or at least hoped.

Half-dead in a pile of rubble isn't a victory for my Shepard.

[AlanC9]

o Ventus wrote...

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

So the fields are strong enough to keep the explosion from venting the atmosphere, but not strong enough to keep Shepard alive? How do you know they're that strong, rather than stronger or weaker?

[o Ventus]

crimzontearz wrote...
Preston says he lives....he lives


 
Shall we question Lazarus too?

Preston can say what he wants. Other Bioware reps also offer the interpretation that it's Shepard's last breath. Anyone with an ounce of medical knowledge will assume Shepard died. I get that Shepard is supposed to be alive, but that doesn't discount the ******-awful job the scene does at portraying it.

Bringing up Lazarus here is just strawman bait.

[o Ventus]

AlanC9 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

So the fields are strong enough to keep the explosion from venting the atmosphere, but not strong enough to keep Shepard alive? How do you know they're that strong, rather than stronger or weaker?

... What? I never said anything about the fields, other than that they exist. Regardless, kinetic barriers don't protect against extremes of temperature or radiation.

[Bill Casey]

Raddx Fusion wrote...

he was able to die a hero in the closing moments of the trilogy.

Yeah, that's not an option...
You're a monster no matter what...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 février 2013 - 10:40 .

[MECavScout01]

Bill Casey wrote...

Raddx Fusion wrote...

he was able to die a hero in the closing moments of the trilogy.

Yeah, that's not an option...
You're a monster no matter what...

I'd rather he live like badass. 

[shepskisaac]

o Ventus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

And this basic understanding of the human body should tell you that there shouldn't be any body left if that explosion (which was scientifically unrealistic BTW - tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExplosionsInSpace ) to give last breath before "dying". Therefore you can't apply science facts to something that's already unrealistic in the first place.

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

Codex states that the artifical atmosphere "layer" is no thicker than few meters. So there shouldn't be giant ball of fire (which needs oxygen) few kilometers away from that atmosphere layer lol

[AshenShug4r]

I don't mind that Shepard died to be honest, but I don't agree that his death was foreshadowed, or that he had any of the characteristics of a tragic hero.

That said, I'm a little disappointed because I believe his death/survival should depend on the choices made by the gamer.

[N7Infernox]

After a year, all I can say is that Shepard should have lived to see the consequences of his actions.

[crimzontearz]

o Ventus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
Preston says he lives....he lives


 
Shall we question Lazarus too?

Preston can say what he wants. Other Bioware reps also offer the interpretation that it's Shepard's last breath. Anyone with an ounce of medical knowledge will assume Shepard died. I get that Shepard is supposed to be alive, but that doesn't discount the ******-awful job the scene does at portraying it.

Bringing up Lazarus here is just strawman bait.

Right, Preston the PROJECT LEAD said he lives WELL BEFORE the interpretation bs started, you and I both know HOW and WHY it started and why it continued afterward.

Yes the minimalist approach remains despicable, I agree there.

[shepskisaac]

AshenShug4r wrote...

That said, I'm a little disappointed because I believe his death/survival should depend on the choices made by the gamer.

I have good news for you, he survives in highest version of Destroy :happy:

[AlanC9]

o Ventus wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

According to Weekes, the Citadel still retains an artificial atmosphere via mass effect fields (disregarding that that isn't how mass effect fields work, but whatever). So it isn't really an explosion in space.

So the fields are strong enough to keep the explosion from venting the atmosphere, but not strong enough to keep Shepard alive? How do you know they're that strong, rather than stronger or weaker?

... What? I never said anything about the fields, other than that they exist. Regardless, kinetic barriers don't protect against extremes of temperature or radiation.

So now it's radiation that kills Shepard after he takes that breath? I'm just trying to follow the argument here.

[AlanC9]

AshenShug4r wrote...


That said, I'm a little disappointed because I believe his death/survival should depend on the choices made by the gamer.

It does.

[AlanC9]

Bill Casey wrote...

Raddx Fusion wrote...

he was able to die a hero in the closing moments of the trilogy.

Yeah, that's not an option...
You're a monster no matter what...

And nobody cares. (I'd take on that "monster" definition, but if that's what your moral system says, it's not my business, unless we want to do a moral philosophy thread)

Modifié par AlanC9, 25 février 2013 - 10:54 .

[shepskisaac]

Bill Casey wrote...

Yeah, that's not an option...
You're a monster no matter what...

indeed, Control is so monstrous, so many organics/synthetics die. Ohh wait...

[Bill Casey]

There are things worse than death...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 février 2013 - 10:56 .

[crimzontearz]

IsaacShep wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Yeah, that's not an option...
You're a monster no matter what...

indeed, Control is so monstrous, so many organics/synthetics die. Ohh wait...

he means monster in its proper Latin meaning

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I think the way they handled Shepard's fate really blew. It was an insult and a kick in the gut. That's the bottom line. Bioware's ending leaves Shepard either dead or stuck in the pile of rubble forever holding her breath.

So we're still working on the MEHEM. I'm working on the score. Shepard is rescued and reunited. It is a proper ending, even though it is not perfect.

If it were not for MEHEM, I would hope this last DLC is chock full of mini-games like poker, craps, roulette, Armali Hold'em, black jack, quasar, pool, and a bowling alley, and has Asari waitresses in skimpy outfits feeding you drinks all the time. And that you can smoke in there, too. I hope it has a bank where you can put your credits and earn interest, or sell stuff like guns and armor you're not using so you have more money to gamble with or buy stuff for your crib and return there with your LI whenever you want; after all that's why you bought this pack... and don't interrupt the thing with any dreams about a stupid kid! We will mod this thing on the PC. You should never have to leave.

And I hope it has a mini-game where you can teach Shepard to dance.

And if you get bored, you can go shoot holo-bots in the Pinnacle Station section.

This should be a one stop place where you can pop in the game disk and just stay there and waste the entire evening while the galaxy burns. Who cares? Right? Because we know what is coming in the end.