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[Noviere]

DAO is easily my favorite RPG in years. It's one of two games that has made me cry(the other being Dreamfall).

Modifié par Noviere, 11 janvier 2010 - 05:33 .

[Raoune]

Oh man, I forgot Dreamfall. That's in my top ten, definitely.

[adembroski11]

Torment is the only thing that comes close, imho. It's the choices, and the consequences of those choices, that set it apart. So long as that remains a core aspect of the series as it goes forward, I see only great things for DA.

[Bear Pusher]

Well when this was released I was playing though BG:II and I'm annoyed that I've been playing DA:O so much I still haven't gotten back to BG:II. Simply put this crushes any other rpg I've played since BG:II, even dethroning NWN HoTU.

Modifié par Bear Pusher, 11 janvier 2010 - 05:37 .

[adembroski11]

xCobalt wrote...

It seems everyone here is a fan of wrpg...no love for jrpgs?

I don't consider them the same thing. Don't get me wrong, far be it for me to say FFVII was anything less than a gaming masterpeice, but I do not consider it a role playing game. Not in the same sense, anyways.

[novaseeker]

Raoune wrote...

I was really surprised at how much I love this game. I think it's the character dynamics that do it for me; I love every character in my party, something I couldn't say for some of my old favourite games.

I'm currently still playing Mass Effect (trying to finish it before I MA2, but I suck so bad at driving the Mako that I'm stuck only hours in), Oblivion, and am replaying Fallout 3 and KOTOR, and I still keep coming back to this. I find the grand problem with Bethesda's recent twosome is that although the world is incredibly engrossing and vivid, the lack of person relationships, especially in Oblivion, does not ring true. Fallout 3 gets away with it a little more, because there's is the whole Dad thing and the world is supposed to be lonely, but I always expect my character in Oblivion to have a place in her community, a family etc, and there's no explanation as to why there isn't.

Yeah, Bethesda is really great at creating atmosphere, background lore and so on, but the games are very much "loner" games.  That doesn't mean that they completely lack appeal, but that their method of immersion is different.  BW games immerse due to story, characters and relationships -- some better than others.  Beth games immerse due to the world and the lore and the open-ness of it all.

Oblivion was still a great game, but it suffered quite a bit from an emptiness that was a bit hard to overcome.  Once you finish the main quest and there are no more Oblivion gates popping up everywhere, the world can be kind of empty.  Quite beautiful, but empty.  I think that's why there were so many content-adding mods, both from Beth and the player community, to address that.  

I do think that Bethesda does its kind of game very well, and BW does its kind of game very well.  I like them both, but I would say I probably prefer BW's approach because I like the storylines and characters and find them more interesting.  But there's a time and a place for each of the different styles, I think.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Hyperblaze wrote...

How does this compare to other RPGS that you've played lately?

There have been other RPGs lately?

[Revik]

After reading throught the posts.  I am glad to see people naming Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines being named.  I am a bit saddened, however, that I didn't see Arcanum or Ultima 7 being named.  System Shock 2 is debatable whether it is an RPG in the list we are giving but if Deus Ex is named up here so should System Shock.

That being said here is my list of RPG's in no particular order:

BG2
Ultima 7 + Serpent Isle
Arcanum
Vampire Masquerade: Bloodlines
Fallout 1 (Didn't Play 2)
NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer (NWN2: Official Campaign was ok but not nearly as good as MotB)
Deus Ex
System Shock 2
KoTOR
Mass Effect

[Dr Bawbag]

Planecape and BG2 - DA:O doesn't even come close.



Tbf, i don't think we'll ever see another game quite like Planecape again, so maybe I'm being a little harsh, i dunno.

[theendcat]

After the disappointment that was Fallout 3, DA was a pleasant surprise. Not perfect- too much fighting for my tastes- but definitely a very good game, which is surprising as I never could get into BG. AS for the bugs, well... I love Fallout 1 and Arcanum, and compared to them DA is practically glitch free.

[darrenr22]

I have to say that DA:O is even better than I thought it was going to be and has joined my previous two all-time favourites, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, to form a holy trinity of RPG brilliance.



I also like all the Neverwinter Nights games, Mass Effect and various others but DA:O, KOTOR and Vampire are unmatched in my view.

[Dick Delaware]

Yeah, Planescape truly was one of a kind. Unfortunately, I'm not sure a title like that can really be very profitable, so as a result, companies are far less likely to make a game of that kind of depth.

I would rank the original Fallout and Planescape above it, with Planescape ahead by a significant margin. But after that, not much else. However, I haven't played BG:2 and The Witcher, so this might be subject to change. I don't get the love people seem to have for KOTOR - it was my very first RPG and I absolutely was crazy about when I was thirteen, but looking back, the morality was very simplistic and black-and-white and the companions were incredibly annoying.

The story in Dragon Age is pretty mediocre in that it's just a very conventional tale of a hero destroying a great evil. I wish that there was a better villain in the game. (With the expansion, there's a good chance that this could change). The threat of the darkspawn doesn't feel very personal. When you go out to collect your treaties, the groups that you get help from are all faced in various crises that happened to randomly occur at the same time. This stretches the believability, and plus, the darkspawn would seem a lot more menacing if they happened to orchestrate some of these events.

*slight spoiler*

At the Circle Tower, Morrigan mentioned that the growths emanating from the walls were similar to darkspawn taint. I was hoping that this was foreshadowing a greater conspiracy behind the abominations running rampant at the Circle, and it was a bit of a letdown that it turned out to be just an isolated event.

OTOH, what really made me care were the characters. All of the party companions were great and well-developed, in particular Alistair and Morrigan. That's what really put the game over the top for me. What makes them work is that you can love and hate them at the same time. Depending on how you play, there are different ways of interpreting your party members.The ending was very well done and bittersweet as well. The sequel has a ton of possibilities to work with, and I'm pretty optimistic that it will be even better.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:25 .

[Apocalizz]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Assuming the average RPG gets 5/10 (0-10 scale) in each category (as opposed to the scholastic 7, or the videogame review 8), I'd say DA:O gets a 4.5 in graphics, a 4.5 in story, a 6 in atmosphere and an 8 in gameplay.  I don't care enough about sound (I play the game muted with subtitles) to make a rating in that department.

You play the game....muted? Oh my god... you missed all the awesome voice acting

oh and edit: you're not the only one OP, I like Final Fantasy too But not as much as DA!

Modifié par Apocalizz, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:18 .

[Lord Phoebus]

Apocalizz wrote...

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Assuming the average RPG gets 5/10 (0-10 scale) in each category (as opposed to the scholastic 7, or the videogame review 8), I'd say DA:O gets a 4.5 in graphics, a 4.5 in story, a 6 in atmosphere and an 8 in gameplay.  I don't care enough about sound (I play the game muted with subtitles) to make a rating in that department.

You play the game....muted? Oh my god... you missed all the awesome voice acting

I played it with voice acting for a while, but I tend to associate the voices with the actors and it distracts from the game for me (I think Tuvok the elf was the killer for me).  Besides I like to multitask my entertainment and listen to music while playing.

[le_cygne]

Dick Delaware wrote...

Yeah, Planescape truly was one of a kind. Unfortunately, I'm not sure a title like that can really be very profitable, so as a result, companies are far less likely to make a game of that kind of depth.

I would rank the original Fallout and Planescape above it, with Planescape ahead by a significant margin. But after that, not much else.

I'm inclined to agree. I've been playing CRPGs roughly since the beginning, including most of what's been mentioned in the thread, and these stand out to me, too. I think Dragon Age is definitely Bioware's best work, and that's saying something.

In no particular order, my all-time favorites are
Fallout 1 & 2,
Planescape: Torment
the vastly underrated Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, 
and, now, Dragon Age.

[Dick Delaware]

I think I'm lucky here, Lord Phoebus. I don't watch that much sci-fi (only a casual Trek fan), and I had no such biases because of it. When I hear Claudia Black's voice, I hear Morrigan, not Aeryn Sun. I came in on a clean slate.

[jimbo91291]

ok, im not a HUGE rpg player, but what about the elder scrolls oblivion? that was such a massive massive game, so much to do. so much work. hundreds of side quests and a long main quest. not trying to patronize anyone, im seriously wondering, is that not a respected rpg?

[FlintlockJazz]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Apocalizz wrote...

Lord Phoebus wrote...

Assuming the average RPG gets 5/10 (0-10 scale) in each category (as opposed to the scholastic 7, or the videogame review 8), I'd say DA:O gets a 4.5 in graphics, a 4.5 in story, a 6 in atmosphere and an 8 in gameplay.  I don't care enough about sound (I play the game muted with subtitles) to make a rating in that department.

You play the game....muted? Oh my god... you missed all the awesome voice acting

I played it with voice acting for a while, but I tend to associate the voices with the actors and it distracts from the game for me (I think Tuvok the elf was the killer for me).  Besides I like to multitask my entertainment and listen to music while playing.

I'm not particularly a Star Trek fan, and I could never stand Voyager anyway, but when Elf-Tuvok spoke I immediately recognised him and could only see Tuvok after that unfortunately to the point that I was taking the ****** whenever he spoke.

[FlintlockJazz]

jimbo91291 wrote...

ok, im not a HUGE rpg player, but what about the elder scrolls oblivion? that was such a massive massive game, so much to do. so much work. hundreds of side quests and a long main quest. not trying to patronize anyone, im seriously wondering, is that not a respected rpg?

I can't speak for anyone else, but the problem I had with it is that it did not feel like the characters in it had...character.  They felt like quest dispensors more than actual people, and didn't really feel like a world that I was interacting with as a character, hence I don't feel that it's as much a roleplay game as a sandbox. 

The guard's reaction to the emperor's death at the beginning killed it for me for instance.

[Tirrahhh]

Didn't play too many RPGs, but well...

1. Dragon Age & the ancient, ancient "Realms of Arkania" games...
I just love them and still can play them again, and again... but  I did fell in love with Dragon Age, too. And maybe Bioware in general. Bioware, are you listening? Do you want to come into my tent, eh?
2. BG I & II
Maybe... BG I a bit more. I didn't like all the fancy stuff happening once you became powerful...
3. Vampire: The Masquerade
I just played it a few hours, but I loved the atmosphere! That was just a brilliant game, shame there was never a remake without bugs. ^^

somewhere down at the bottom:
xx. Drakensang
Funny enough, I enjoyed the game while playing ... a bit. However, the longer I think about it, the less I like it. Dragon Age is everything Drakensang was not, and after playing Dragon Age, I get sick thinking about playing the sequel. 

[jimbo91291]

Tirrahhh wrote...

Didn't play too many RPGs, but well...

1. Dragon Age & the ancient, ancient "Realms of Arkania" games...
I just love them and still can play them again, and again... but  I did fell in love with Dragon Age, too. And maybe Bioware in general. Bioware, are you listening? Do you want to come into my tent, eh?
2. BG I & II
Maybe... BG I a bit more. I didn't like all the fancy stuff happening once you became powerful...
3. Vampire: The Masquerade
I just played it a few hours, but I loved the atmosphere! That was just a brilliant game, shame there was never a remake without bugs. ^^

somewhere down at the bottom:
xx. Drakensang
Funny enough, I enjoyed the game while playing ... a bit. However, the longer I think about it, the less I like it. Dragon Age is everything Drakensang was not, and after playing Dragon Age, I get sick thinking about playing the sequel. 

yea i felt the same way, but a lot of aspects of it were genuinely earth shattering. the a.i. was sincerely great. the way you didnt have to earn points to level up, you just had to perform that action and you get better at it. it was great. it had its major flaws as well though, im not bashing bioware, i love dragon age its a great game, but i just thought that in the RPG universe, oblivion was a big hit

[Glorfindel7]

Pleased that there has been discussion on DA:O vs Bethesda style games. DA:O for me is the current pinnacle of following the game designers path through a brilliantly told story with interesting characters. I am thoroughly enjoying the experience but see zero replay value in the game (I already play a tank (mainly Alistair), a melee dps ('me'), a healer/fighter mage (Wynne) and a dps/healer mage (Morrigan) as the system pretty well requires controlling all your characters every fight, certainly every tough one. And it is the tactical combat that really makes this game fun.). Repeating all the same fights with a marginally different group lacks appeal, at least for me. I prefer the Bethesda model of making your own story (I played Daggerfall for dozens of hours before even stumbling across the main plot). Admittedly, I played MW and OB with 150+ mods which adds hugely to the experience. I have more OB mod management systems (e.g. OBSE, Wrye, OBMM,...) than I have mods for DA:O. Play vanilla OB then OB with just FCOM and they are totally different games (OK, the main plot remains the same). I like wandering the wilderness in OB gathering ingredients for alchemy and hunting for pelts, armor crafting, etc. DA:O is brilliantly executed but feels like there are no degrees of freedom: the path is a blast to play but it is THE PATH, yes you could do the Elves before the Dwarves (as I did) but you still need to do A, B, C, and D before you can do E. And there is nothing to do at all except for some minor subquests if you choose not to do A or B or C or D. Comes down to personnal preference and playing style, DA:O is a great game but I will be playing Oblivion long after DA:O disappears from my hard drive.

[Scarzi]

1. Final Fantasy Tactics

2. Chrono Trigger

3. Final Fantasy 3

4. Diablo I

5. Chrono Crisis

6. Fallout 3

7. Baldurs gate 2

8. Fallout 2

9. NWN

10. Dragon Age: Origin

[Dick Delaware]

jimbo91291 wrote...

yea i felt the same way, but a lot of aspects of it were genuinely earth shattering. the a.i. was sincerely great. the way you didnt have to earn points to level up, you just had to perform that action and you get better at it. it was great. it had its major flaws as well though, im not bashing bioware, i love dragon age its a great game, but i just thought that in the RPG universe, oblivion was a big hit

Not a big fan of Oblivion, personally. Everything Oblivion did, Fallout 3 did better anyways. The world of Oblivion seems so dull and flat. At first glance, it seems like such a huge, rich universe, but then when you start talking to NPC's, you realize that there's not much underneath that gorgeous exterior. Plus, Bethesda hired like four voice actors for everybody in Cyrodiil, so that got on my nerves a lot. I thought the combat was fun and the spells were cool, but I play RPG's more for the immersion factor, interesting characters and a great story line. If I want to spend time shooting and stabbing things, I'll usually play an FPS instead.

I could be somewhat biased here, though. I own a console, so I don't have access to all of the cool mods that a PC gamer would. Some people just are more into the more hack n' slash type RPG.

EDIT: I think I may have veered off-topic a little too far. After all, we're talking about DA:O, not Oblivion.

Modifié par Dick Delaware, 11 janvier 2010 - 08:09 .

[Dr Bawbag]

Dick Delaware wrote...

Yeah, Planescape truly was one of a kind. Unfortunately, I'm not sure a title like that can really be very profitable, so as a result, companies are far less likely to make a game of that kind of depth.

I would rank the original Fallout and Planescape above it, with Planescape ahead by a significant margin. But after that, not much else. However, I haven't played BG:2 and The Witcher, so this might be subject to change. I don't get the love people seem to have for KOTOR - it was my very first RPG and I absolutely was crazy about when I was thirteen, but looking back, the morality was very simplistic and black-and-white and the companions were incredibly annoying.

The story in Dragon Age is pretty mediocre in that it's just a very conventional tale of a hero destroying a great evil. I wish that there was a better villain in the game. (With the expansion, there's a good chance that this could change). The threat of the darkspawn doesn't feel very personal. When you go out to collect your treaties, the groups that you get help from are all faced in various crises that happened to randomly occur at the same time. This stretches the believability, and plus, the darkspawn would seem a lot more menacing if they happened to orchestrate some of these events.

*slight spoiler*

At the Circle Tower, Morrigan mentioned that the growths emanating from the walls were similar to darkspawn taint. I was hoping that this was foreshadowing a greater conspiracy behind the abominations running rampant at the Circle, and it was a bit of a letdown that it turned out to be just an isolated event.

OTOH, what really made me care were the characters. All of the party companions were great and well-developed, in particular Alistair and Morrigan. That's what really put the game over the top for me. What makes them work is that you can love and hate them at the same time. Depending on how you play, there are different ways of interpreting your party members.The ending was very well done and bittersweet as well. The sequel has a ton of possibilities to work with, and I'm pretty optimistic that it will be even better.

Whilst not the best RPG, i think The Witcher is a very underrated game.  It's unique in todays market insofar it tries something diffrent to all the Morrowinds, Mass Effects etc out there.  It's not about super uber gear, over powered weapons et al, it's about the story, a story which makes you question your own mortality at times and so much more.  Want something different - then i wholly recommend you give it a bash.

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 11 janvier 2010 - 08:13 .