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[KCFender]

Cybercat999 wrote...

KCFender wrote...
This isn't a MMO (thank god). So who cares? This is a single-player RPG. The community has no bearing on the game at all if you don't want it to. I don't see how it could affect your opinion of the game or its genre.

Like I said, I like to share. If I cant share my game in some way I dont find it worth to play much. You say this is no MMO thank god, I say too bad. We are different people, I like to socialize and you like to play alone. And we probably will not understand each other either so leave it at that, ok?

Okay. I didn't understand that "like to share" part originally. Maybe I just didn't understand the whole point because I'd never figure someone to not like a single-player RPG for being single-player. Too obvious.

[Bob Sideshow]

Hi all,



IMO it is very difficult, maybe pointless to compare games to other games. Player preferences decide . What is good for me may be bad for you. But, you asked for it:



- recent unmodded games: Fallout 3 beats DAO because of its freedom, plausibility and combat. You can have companions in Fallout and they fight smartly without need for a bugged "tactics" system.

Char relations and interactions are DAO:s strongpoint but cannot make up for a mostly linear story and short playthrough.



- modded games: Morrowind in particular and Oblivion with the right mods are still the games to beat. With the right mods you get very deep chars and char interrelations. Pirates of the Carribean with the magnificent Build mod is also in that category.

We have yet to see if DAO modding community can come up with something equal.



Regards, Bob Sideshow

[Vigmund]

Tirrahhh wrote...

Vigmund wrote...

Dragon Age is a very good RPG but without the companions it would be very boring. 

That's at the same time a very true and very strange statement...
Because imagening Dragon Age without companions is like... cornflakes without milk? Or something... ^^

What I was trying to say is that the companions make the game in Dragon Age. They make it more alive compared to many other RPGs. Dragon Age would simply not work without the party because the companions add a lot to the story. Plus it's a lot of fun listening to your companions chatting while you travel

[Wompoo]

RangerSG wrote...

In order:

Baldur's Gate 2
Fallout 2 (I prefer the openness of the second)
Fallout
Baldur's Gate
Dragon Age:Origins
NWN1 (this high because of the community, not the game itself)
Morrowind
KotOR
The Witcher
Mask of the Betrayer (the only part of NWN2 I'll rate)
Fallout 3
The Sith Lords (would be much higher if it was finished)

I'm not huge on PS:T because I thought the pacing was turgid. I tried Drakensang, but I was disappointed. I wish I'd never paid for NWN2: Storm of Zethyr, that was a debacle. Icewind Dale 1&2 were good, but not good enough to be on this list.

I love your list, but I will through Vampire Masquerade in at number 6 a head of NWN, the Witcher ahead of Morrowind, Jade Empire in front of Fallout 3  and ME stone motherless last.

Modifié par Wompoo, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:21 .

[Doyle41]

This I believe is my favorite as far as characters and story goes.

I would have to say a few of my favs are, in no particular order.....



Fallout 3

Oblivion

Persona 4

Persona 3

Dragon Age Origins

[I Valente I]

Bob Sideshow wrote...


- You can have companions in Fallout and they fight smartly without need for a bugged "tactics" system.
Char relations and interactions are DAO:s strongpoint but cannot make up for a mostly linear story and short playthrough.


Regards, Bob Sideshow

errr...I disagree so much I can't even think of how to phrase it correctly. Fallout 3's companions are not even remotly close to DA's, as far as AI and combat ability. Because a system is "bugged" doesn't automatically disqualify it. DA's bugged tactics system is still miles ahead of Fallouts. Fallout's VATS is a headshot-fest, unless you actively gimp yourself by playing differently, the same can be said about healing and potions in dragon age. But party members....I can't even understand why you would think that companions in FO3 are better, I know it's your opinion and that's fine but if you could explain that...


Also, it's definitely not fair to compare a modded game that's been out 3+ years to Dragon Age, which can be modded, but has only been out 2 months. I know you said that we need to wait and see how the modding community is, but you still compared them...that is an unfair comparison.

[AtreiyaN7]

Fallout 3 is the most recent RPG I've played - haven't seen anything else really interesting lately, but DA:O is certainly the best RPG I've played in a looooong time. I love it. FO3's ending sort of ruined things for me (well, true, they "fixed" it with Broken Steel, buuuuut...it's still somewhat tainted as far as I'm concerned). I don't mind sacrificing my character for the greater good IF there's a logical reason for it and IF it feels truly heroic (with Fawkes being right there by my side...yeah, not a very logical resolution in the original version of the ending pre-Broken Steel).

[Bob Sideshow]

Hi Valente,

as the Fallout 3 companions need no micromanagement and constant pausing, I consider the combat there smoother and more realistic.
That is more satisfying, IMHO, that trying to compose a viable party optimally using unbalanced skills and abilities, some way overpowered, some totally meaningless.

And abt. comparing modded games, it would not be amiss if Bioware actually looked at what modders have added to the competitions products and benefit from it in their own work.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

Modifié par Bob Sideshow, 12 janvier 2010 - 09:44 .

[PlacidDragon]

I've not played any other RPG's lately (by lately i mean years, hehe). After the fall of Black Isle (Interplay), the offerings have been rather slim.. i dont like the Elder scrolls, so that was out the window. Bethesda made Fallout a complete mockery, so i stayed away from that (another ruined IP *sigh*).



I didnt even touch reported masterpieces like for example Mass Effect because.. well.. i'd rather throw my computer out the window than purposefully install rootkits and whatnot.. the only reason i at all bought DA:O is because Bioware assured that there would be nothing more than a normal CD check.



They have, unless im mistaken, promised the same for Mass Effect 2, so i'll probably pick up that as well.. or rather, with the obvious huge problem of Win 7 64 bit and memory leaks in DA:O, im a bit more on the fence. I'll most likely pick it up though.



As for DA:O, apart from the veeeeery long loading times and occational lockup, the game is brilliant this far. Only had it for 3 or so days, so i've not covered more than 32 percent of the game

[vadril]

DAO is a great game and probably the best modern example of an RPG though I found the story no better overall than NWN2 or HOTU.



For me the list looks something like this.



Ultima 7 BG/SI - first experience with a graphical RPG and I loved it. I still play it with Exult once in awhile.

NWN HOTU - Greatest expansion pack I've ever played.

BG2

Mass Effect - Action RPG, but i'm not picky.

Dragon Age - polish, polish, polish...more than story or RPG elements, high production quality means alot to me

NWN2 OC

The Witcher - I loved the dark content and edge this game has which DAO didn't really have despite the claims.



I call the above list my "always installed" list. I have played many other great RPGs and action RPGs including the elder scrolls series, Might and Magic (3 being my favorite), Gothic, etc...but the above list encompasses my favorites.

[vadril]

PlacidDragon wrote...

I've not played any other RPG's lately (by lately i mean years, hehe). After the fall of Black Isle (Interplay), the offerings have been rather slim.. i dont like the Elder scrolls, so that was out the window. Bethesda made Fallout a complete mockery, so i stayed away from that (another ruined IP *sigh*).

I agree, I miss some of the older studios.  Origin and 3DO being the two I miss the most.  I couldn't get enough of Ultima, Wing Commander, HOMM, and MM.  I remember how big of a deal it was for Origin to spend 3 million on shooting the scenes for Wing Commander 3...

DAO is a great game, but sometimes I long for the simplicity and discovery that went along with the earlier games.

[ArathWoeeye]

The last RPG (or rpg-genre claimed titles) was Fallout 3. After that, DA felt like I was in heaven. I have some story criticism (have a topic about that somewhere) myself, but Dragon Age nevertheless offers a very rich RPG experience.

It reminds me of Nwn2 and Baldur's Gate series (haven't played ME or NWN1).



I believe it will get better with the DLCs, expansions and new games.

[PlacidDragon]

vadril wrote...

I agree, I miss some of the older studios.  Origin and 3DO being the two I miss the most.  I couldn't get enough of Ultima, Wing Commander, HOMM, and MM.  I remember how big of a deal it was for Origin to spend 3 million on shooting the scenes for Wing Commander 3...

Yes, i very fondly remember those days, they were fantastic (im sounding like im 80 reminicencing over something that happened 50 years ago, hehe). I've always loved RPG's, from the Bards Tale series and gold box series from SSI back in the day, to newer offerings (of which there are significantly fewer).

If i could have ressurected one company, it would have to be BI for the Fallout series alone (best i've ever played on a PC, second best overall). My favorite RPG of all time is actually Wasteland (played on the C-64), which was sort of a prequel to Fallout.

Ah well, life changes

[Frozeal]

Cybercat999 wrote...

KCFender wrote...
This isn't a MMO (thank god). So who cares? This is a single-player RPG. The community has no bearing on the game at all if you don't want it to. I don't see how it could affect your opinion of the game or its genre.

Like I said, I like to share. If I cant share my game in some way I dont find it worth to play much. You say this is no MMO thank god, I say too bad. We are different people, I like to socialize and you like to play alone. And we probably will not understand each other either so leave it at that, ok?

>Socialize
>MMO

OH U!

[TyroneTasty]

I like Dragon Age more than I probably should right now. As of now it's my favorite of all time but perhaps after a few months my mind will adjust itself. But as of now the amount of control you have over every quest's plot has made me very, very pleased. They didn't screw around when it came to the RPG aspect of this game, I can't recall a game giving me so much freedom in choices, even BG II didn't have it to this extent. I can't wait to replay this and be a completely evil bastard.

Unofficial list:

1. Dragon Age
2. Baldur's Gate II
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Fall Out 2

Like I said, I like to share. If I cant share my game in some way I dont find it worth to play much. You say this is no MMO thank god, I say too bad. We are different people, I like to socialize and you like to play alone. And we probably will not understand each other either so leave it at that, ok?

I played my extent of MMOs and I never felt sharing with random strangers what new loot I got or latest boss downed was all that fulfilling. I met hundreds of people in WoW and only one of them was moderately interesting to talk to, since he knew how silly MMOs were as a replacement for actual human interaction. Also, the amount of bad jokes from mal-adjusted people I heard playing that game could fill the Atlantic Ocean. Honestly, I feel more of a connection to Alistair than I did to my raid leader.

Modifié par TyroneTasty, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:57 .

[fo0fight3r]

1. Oblivion

2. Dragon Age

3. The Witcher

4. My little pony

[Mikey_205]

Its up there with BG1&2, Planescape Torment and NWN2 my favourite cRPGs.

[urielpie]

i played bg1and 2 recently and it make me realize how much this game suck

[akkaze]

I've played BG1 and maybe 50% of BG2 (as well as Icewind Dale 1/2). While I enjoyed them a lot and I have to say I get more enjoyment out of the tactical/statistical type of combat in those games than the action style of DAO, in terms of writing and emotional investment DAO is way out ahead for me. I can't recall ever being moved by the story or characters really in BG1/2. (Bit different for IWD maybe). I find I identify with my PC and the NPC companions much more in DAO and so it feels closer to a "roleplaying" experience.



So I wanted to ask, genuine question, those players who said they preferred the BG series to Dragon Age, is it because you prefer things like the gaming engine/the combat, and the difficulty? (On this front, I would agree.) Or do you feel like the plot in the BG series was a better "rp" experience (as well)? (I ask partly because, well, I never did actually finish BG2 so maybe I'm not in a position to really judge.)

[Arinosmirc]

Bob Sideshow wrote...

Hi Valente,

as the Fallout 3 companions need no micromanagement and constant pausing, I consider the combat there smoother and more realistic.
That is more satisfying, IMHO, that trying to compose a viable party optimally using unbalanced skills and abilities, some way overpowered, some totally meaningless.

And abt. comparing modded games, it would not be amiss if Bioware actually looked at what modders have added to the competitions products and benefit from it in their own work.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

They were still generally useless, AND you had no way to force them to do a specific action when it was needed. In DAO, if your NPC does something silly, you can take manual control. In Fallout 3, they're more likely to get stuck on something and leave you to fend for yourself, not that it's a problem since you have to try to die in that game. (made a gimped character, 1 for all stats, no skills...and on the hardest setting, I was still able to kick butt....)

Maybe if they had stopped focusing on blowing stuff up, having nerdgasms, and actually hired a writer who knew how to...well....write, it might have been truely an awesome game. At least they're swell enough to give someone else a shot at a series. (an indication that they do, in fact, understand that they have no idea what they are doing? HA!)

-Still wishes he could have confronted douchebag dad on why the wanderer had to leave the Vault in the first place

[RangerSG]

Bob Sideshow wrote...

Hi Valente,

as the Fallout 3 companions need no micromanagement and constant pausing, I consider the combat there smoother and more realistic.
That is more satisfying, IMHO, that trying to compose a viable party optimally using unbalanced skills and abilities, some way overpowered, some totally meaningless.

And abt. comparing modded games, it would not be amiss if Bioware actually looked at what modders have added to the competitions products and benefit from it in their own work.

Regards, Bob Sideshow

Erm... you really are clueless about Bioware's history with the modding community, aren't you? Go look at the NWN Vault, then come back and say Bioware doesn't care about what modders do or benefit from it.

And no, I've played FO3, it's a good game. But it's companions are nothing but meat shields. Utterly useless for any meaningful contribution to the game. They certainly weren't FO2 quality companions. And while we're on that subject. I cannot believe you seriously consider VATS and it's "slow-motion" fake-Matrix system preferable to pausing. Both of them require breaking out of the game. So I think it's safe to say "wrong" on every point.

[Bob Sideshow]

Hi Ranger,



last time I looked there was no toolkit released for ME which pretty much sums up Biowares CURRENT feelings abt. modding IMO. Neither have I played earlier Bioware games and therefore I have not voiced any opinions on them.



BTW, I do not use VATS. There`s nothing wrong with meat shields either if they give you this extra second you need for victory by soaking up dam. We fight to win after all, don`t we?



Regards, Bob Sideshow

[daiosmith]

1: Mass Effect

2: DA:O

3: Fallout 3

4: Oblivion

5: FF VI

[ThomasRipley]

I have to say I would have laughed at people saying Oblivion not so long ago, after all, let's face it, the vanilla game is probably one of the most boring games ever made(along with FF X...).



But a week ago I decided to really delve into the modding community and what somewhat dumbfounded by what I had missed until now. I started by installing FCOM(which took me the better part of a day to download+install), then installed some quests mod(the lost spires, kvatch rebuilt, mud&blood, Cybiades, Malevolent and some others I can't think of atm), some content mod(Midas, Rune Skulls, Akatosh Mount, eye+hair addons, Alternate Start, new musics, etc).



And the result is simply stunning, it changes the boring universe into a permanent death trap(which makes it oh so much more interesting) and the quality of some of the quest mods is simply incredible, with voice acting among other things!



It took quite a bit of work to make all those mod work but in the end the result was definitely worth it, resulting in one of the most interesting rpg I've played.



If you have already experienced Oblivion like this there are a few other suggestions of rpg worth trying:

*Mass Effect

*Risen

*Jade Empire

*Vampire the Masquerade(I must point out this one, one of the most intriguing rpg released in the last 10 years, would so love a sequel but the studio who made it is dead...)

*Fallout 3(yes even the vanilla game is worth playing)

*Fallout 1&2(still worth playing)

*BG1&2&Throne of bhaal(there is a mod out there to play the first one with the engine of the 2nd one, worth it), probably the ultimate western rpg classic.

*Arcanum

*NWN1+expansions(the expansion in the underdark was incredible)

*NWN2+expansions(the expansion Mask of the Betrayer was probably the best one)



Please note that it's not an ordered list, everyone one of those is worth playing!

I didn't list Dragon Age because I assume everyone here already played it...

[ArathWoeeye]

A few comments:

@TyroneTasty: I'm sorry but then you have missed out one of the greatest aspects of MMORPGs. I don't know which games or what type of servers you played, but I've made several friends over playing WoW and the only thing that makes me play the game has been spending time with those people for a long time; since I don't like the grinding or raiding.



*holds himself hard not to write a long post about how fallout 3 is a rather decent game but a very bad RPG*