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(Spoilers) Maric's Promise to Flemeth


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1xs3thx1 wrote...

It has been confirmed if I recall correctly that Morrigan is in her mid 30's making this highly possible, although I doubt it to be true, maybe she merely wanted Maric to make Loghain a teryn? It could of been anything.


According to Morrigan's character sheet in the toolset, she's 30. However, it's been stated elsewhere (no cite, sorry) that these were simply estimates for the voice actors to use in getting a feel for the character's personality and maturity. Considering Morrigan's jaded nature, that would fit more for a 30+ person, even if she is much younger. Without official ages from Bioware, however, we're left guessing (unless I missed something somewhere).

Modifié par Avaraen, 11 janvier 2010 - 11:40 .


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So much is being assumed about what happened between the witch of the wilds (Flemeth, most likely, but never named) and Maric in that meeting. But the truth is, nothing about it except the betrayals by Loghain are mentioned specifically (that I know if.) I haven't been able to read the Calling because it's not out in ebook format yet.



So it's all speculation. However, if one remembers the scene, where Flemeth tosses the apple core out, and then it vanishes, and Maric (it is Maric's point of view, right?) believes he sees a pair of eyes there.... maybe those of a snake?



Morrigan has a habit of watching in animal form. We know Flemeth is already there in human form... We know what the toolset says Morrigan APPEARS to be..30. But Flemeth APPEARS to be an old woman. But she doesn't look centuries old. And who guessed, before the first fight, that she'd turn into what she turns into? What is Flemeth's true form? Age? Morrigan's? We don't know her real age. She might be 75. She only appears to be 30ish. She might have been there that night with maric, watching from the sidelines.



so much conjecture, but so little fact. I highly doubt that there's anything to do with sister babies or anything like that. It's something else. What else, I cannot say. But that other set of eyes strongly suggests Morrigan is older than she appears, just as Flemeth is far older than she appears, and that appearances, int he case of these two witches, are nothing, if not deceiving. Who knows how much either of them ever say is truth?



And without knowing the truth of the substance or form, how can even guess at intentions?



I say, some mysteries are just more fun as mysteries.

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Maria Caliban wrote...
Also, David didn't name Morrigan after Morgan le Fey or the irish goddess, but a PC someone played in a RPG he GMed.


Nice. He must make a good GM, story wise.

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Avaraen wrote...

1xs3thx1 wrote...

It has been confirmed if I recall correctly that Morrigan is in her mid 30's making this highly possible, although I doubt it to be true, maybe she merely wanted Maric to make Loghain a teryn? It could of been anything.


According to Morrigan's character sheet in the toolset, she's 30. However, it's been stated elsewhere (no cite, sorry) that these were simply estimates for the voice actors to use in getting a feel for the character's personality and maturity. Considering Morrigan's jaded nature, that would fit more for a 30+ person, even if she is much younger. Without official ages from Bioware, however, we're left guessing (unless I missed something somewhere).


DG stated that Morrigan is between her late 20s and early 30s, if I remember right.  I'll see if I can dig up a post

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ShadowAldrius wrote...

And what if Loghain or the Warden impregnated Morrigan?


Well then the history is taken from History of the World where they say

"Knight jump queen"
"Bishop jump Queen"
"Everyone jump queen!"
"Gang Bang"

So sorry, just had to Posted Image

Modifié par Kalfear, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:06 .


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I haven't read The Calling/Stolen Throne, so I have a question. How old does Flemeth look when Maric has that meeting with her? Because, Morrigan says at one point that she actually remember Flemeth being younger and having long black hair.

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Scary thought...Morrigan being older than 30 living with her mom and still not able to wield magic like her mother...



Anyway assuming Maric did sleep with Flemeth the genetic gene pool would have to be tampered with to insure that Morrigan was a girl. Last time I checked that still can't be done even today without science interfering.

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tallon1982 wrote...
Anyway assuming Maric did sleep with Flemeth the genetic gene pool would have to be tampered with to insure that Morrigan was a girl. Last time I checked that still can't be done even today without science interfering.


well.. there's this thing called...  magic :P

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You think she had THAT much focus while doing the deed? I know most women are multitaskers but that's giving too much credit.

lol

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tallon1982 wrote...

You think she had THAT much focus while doing the deed? I know most women are multitaskers but that's giving too much credit.
lol


Let's see..  sex without love, for the express purpose of creating a girl.

I think she'd be able to manage.  And/ or manipulating things prior/ after could play a role

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So you're telling me it was ...oh baby oh baby feels great are we done yet?



Maybe she gave Anora lessons.

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Morrigan being 30 just makes everything so much creepier.

A couple of my characters (who were played early 20's) absolutely fell in love with Morrigan, I always thought her to be around the characters ages. But being 30 years old, still living wtih Mom, in a hut, sharing a bed (seriously, there is one freaking bed in that house), and what not makes everything a bit creepier.

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tallon1982 wrote...

So you're telling me it was ...oh baby oh baby feels great are we done yet?

Maybe she gave Anora lessons.


Or could be like Morrigan's sex ritual... where she forces it to first conceive, then conceive tainted and ready for the soul.  There's more than just sex going on with these wommins!

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Sounds like a bad anime... LOL

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It's starting to sound to me like Maric could give Tiger Woods a run for his money.



-Rowan

-Katriel

-Alistair's Mom

-Flemeth

-Fiona (if she is not Alistair's mom)

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Maric did not do Flemeth!



Does any human being on this forum have evidence that Maric had anything to do with Flemeth sexually?



Let us deal with FACTS here

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vilnii wrote...

Maric did not do Flemeth!

Does any human being on this forum have evidence that Maric had anything to do with Flemeth sexually?

Let us deal with FACTS here


She invited him into her house for private time.  No one knows what that private time is.  It could be sex, it could be prophecy, it could be having tea and biscuits.

Speculation is nice in this situation.

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I'm in the camp where Maric didn't sleep with Flemeth too...I just like it there...it's safe and sanitary lol

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Assuming she.. speculation... David Gaider said. Except that gaider is only another human weaving a story. I'll bet he isn't infallible as far as avoiding all possible inconsistencies.



Flemeth did invite Maric in. But conversations can be private. Just because it's private doesn't mean it was sex. heck, some folks don't even do sex privately. Assumptions and speculations. We'll see what they write. But heck, this is just a story, I'll bet if you dig deep enough or punch hard enough, you'll make holes in it. I seriously doubt that morrigan is in anyway related to Alistair.

Oh, and Morrigan doesn't REMEMBER Flemeth being beautiful. That comes from 2 different conversations...Morrigan says Flemeth WAS beautiful, but if you ask her how long ago, she says "centuries". It's the storytelling of your bard friend who describes her as having hair as black as night (or whatever....raven?), skin like cream and eyes as beautiful and treacherous as the sea. That wasn't Morrigan.

Let's just see where the story goes.

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Actually, she mentions Flemeth having hair like hers at one point, should you follow the right dialogue when asking if Flemeth is her mother. This opens up the ideas that 1) Flemeth ages very quickly as a result of the abomination or 2) Flemeth stole her as a child and that's the memory of her real mother. Considering what we know at this point, either are valid and another possibility could come forward in time that invalidates both.

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Lady of Lore wrote...

Arthurian legend is as I said in the original post but here's a little more in depth.

Morgan Le Fay http://www.arthurian...ut-arthur-8.php

Here's a summarized version of the legend:
"Although there are innumerable variations of the Arthurian legend, the basic story has remained the same. Arthur was the illegitimate son of Uther Pendragon, king of Britain, and Igraine, the wife of Gorlois of Cornwall.

After the death of Uther, Arthur, who had been reared in secrecy, won acknowledgment as king of Britain by successfully withdrawing a sword from a stone."

Alistair is the bastard son of Maric, may have fathered a child with his possible half sister Morrigan (Morgan Le Fay).


I guess that's true if you believe the fairy tale type version of Arthor. Their are other versions of the story out there that have nothing to do with drawing a sword from a stone.

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I don't understand why she would need Maric of all people to be Morrigan's father, but that idea serves Flemeth more than any I can think of. Perhaps Maric a descendant to the King that betrayed her and this is somehow part of her revenge?

Another possibility is that she makes him drink darkspawn blood and this either turns him into a Warden or makes his offspring resistant to the taint. The effect of drinking the blood would cause him to pass out in her hut for a while and become pale for a few days (like the Dalish Elf). The "lost at sea" excuse for his death could just be due to his calling. Although, I have no idea why Flemeth would ask him this or how this could benefit her. I don't think Alistair is that crucial to her plans... at least not compared to Morrigan.

Modifié par Cazlee, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:15 .


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It does explain Morrigan's attitude to Alistair if he is actually her little brother.

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Maybe Flemeth made him promise that after sitting on the throne after while he would leave, hence explaining his "dead at sea" Or perhaps he is actually on a quest fulfilling the promise he made or something.

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Chas1024 wrote...

It does explain Morrigan's attitude to Alistair if he is actually her little brother.


It also makes what they did in my game 'incest' if it's true. So I'm doubting Bioware's gonna go there. But... say they did. Wouldn't it be interesting if she needed Alistair and Morrigan to be the ones to go through with the ritual for some reason linked to Maric's DNA? Although, inbred, darkspawn God-child--not of the yay.