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[JShepppp]

This video has popped up a lot recently with people using it to support the idea that the "majority" of fans want new endings. 

Here's the thing. The sample set everyone is using is incredibly biased. Only a small portion of ME3 players will engage in the media outside of the video game. Answering long surveys with misleading questions and creating accounts on online forums (cough BSN) aren't things that normal fans would do. We represent a small portion of the fans here. Only a few will read the online forums overall, and even fewer will create an account, and even fewer will post/vote. 

Also, the surveys are very misleading. Aside from the tone of the answers (e.g. pro-ending answers are "meh" whereas anti-ending answers are more passionate), just look at the number of options. There are usually MORE anti-ending poll options versus pro-ending, and this makes it difficult to call the poll objective, which is necessary to use it as "evidence". The case in point is this poll, referenced in that Youtube video. We have options such as "the ending is so bad I'll become a terrorist unless Bioware fixes it" but no opposite option such as "the ending is so good that I sh*t unicorns and flying rainbows every time I watch it". Even if the latter is not what you think, it must be an option for the poll to be unbiased. 

Not to mention the massive "ending survey" research report (forgot the full name of it) that was done both pre/post EC with several survey questions that were also biased towards anti-enders. 

Please realize that we cannot speak for the entire fanbase or the majority of the fanbase because we do not have adequate information. This is because of two reasons: (1) not everyone will post online, and (2) the available surveys are biased. Feel free to voice your opinion, but please don't assume to speak for the masses. 

You can say that a lot of people want new endings. This is a statement about absolute numbers, which we can make based on forum posts. It cannot be said that "most" people want new endings, because that's a statement about relative numbers, and we don't have all the numbers in an unbiased way.

For example, if 3 000 people say they want new endings, then a lot of people want new endings. However, if 2 million people bought Mass Effect, then a minority of people want new endings. The two statements are not mutually exclusive. Again, this is an EXAMPLE - do not go quoting this around as fact, please.

As a side note, for those of you who post saying that you're done and leaving BSN, I also wonder why you have to announce it, try to get Bioware hate, and even try to re-open your thread if it's closed (ironically making you hypocritical for saying you're leaving and 100% done). I'm not singling out an individual here. Just please everyone, let's make up our minds and move on. 

[ruggly]

He's just mad (not you, if that were confusing).

Modifié par ruggly, 25 février 2013 - 05:00 .

[o Ventus]

Claiming something from either side is false. Claiming that a minority or majority wants anything is simply wrong, because so many people don't visit the BSN.

Assuming ME3 sold 5 million copies, and a million people dislike the ending, you can't say the remaining 4 million like it, or even that they are neutral about it. We simply don't know.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Yeah well, I'm not a clevernoob fan either, but point me to one poll that says a majority of players liked the endings.

[Liamv2]

I don't see why i should care if i am minority or majority as bioware is not changeing the ending either way. Clever noob just needs to move on

[Bob Garbage]

No care evar

[archangel1996]

I think we all know who the majority is, but i guess it's better living in a fantasy world where the ending didn't screw up things so much that 70% of the people is/was upset about it
Don't care anyway, you will see when ME4 comes out

[UrgentArchengel]

If it's proof from BSN, it's already bias. Not to mention BSN is not everyone. We are in our own way, the vocal minority.

[JamesFaith]

Good said, OP.

BSN never was representant of all fans, but just one type of fans - those, who wanted discuss their favorite game on international forum. This means that there are groups of fans which never was included to those polls:

- fans who don't share their pleasure with game with other people
- fans who are speaking about ME only with real life friends
- fans who only discuss on national forums (I saw long ago poll on one such site and people regulary visiting BSN was less then 20%) 

Also BSN is quite unbalanced after problems with ME3, because fans of previous games who never have urge to go here and love, like or be OK with ME3 still have no need to visit BSN. Result was flow of big number of newcomers with one opinion on end, when representant of other groups still remains silent.
 

[Paddybhoy]

Bioware say they are listening, the general consensus is that the ending needs to be worked on (personally all I want is a better Priority; Earth mission). So if Bioware are sincere in their statements they should focus any DLC on Ending and Post-Ending material.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I don't want to defend Clevernoob, it makes me feel dirty, but if you actually watch the video, it's not just about BSN polls. He actually shows several polls from different places, with a large number of participants.

[clarkusdarkus]

What you have to remember is it's not just bsn or clevernoob that does such polls, its been done in other country's with the same outcome, So its widespread and not just the same old users voting.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Liamv2 wrote...

I don't see why i should care if i am minority or majority as bioware is not changeing the ending either way. Clever noob just needs to move on

[GimmeDaGun]

Screw the video and what you think about who's majority... only my opinion matters. I'm the majority. I'm the king of the f.ing BSN! GRRRRRRR... Mine is bigger than all of yours put together. Hurrrrrrrr...

[Ykulnu]

It takes a considerable lack of environmental awareness to not see that the endings were not well received by a very sizable amount of the community at large.

[jijeebo]

Good lord, no wonder there's horse DNA in everything these days with the amount of flogging going on up in here...

[Cainhurst Crow]

I didn't want anyone to pick that choice, it was just for the lolz. Just like in my "citadel dlc" poll, I put the last choice to pretty much say "Life if meaningless, there is no point in livivng any longer, everything I love is dead".

[UrgentArchengel]

Double Post...oops.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 25 février 2013 - 05:34 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Pre-EC related content can't be used in a Post-EC argument.  Considering the EC on Xbox Live is 4.5 stars...

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 25 février 2013 - 05:35 .

[Reap_ii]

Ykulnu wrote...

It takes a considerable lack of environmental awareness to not see that the endings were not well received by a very sizable amount of the community at large.

this made me laugh.  but yes, anyone with a small working knowledge of writing, or has ever written anything, or for that matter, has ever read a good story, knows these endings were not done well.  you CANT introduce a new antagonist who is also a protagonist (if you believe him and pick control/synthesis) within the last 2 minutes of a 5 year epic journey.  its a true "WTF" if i have ever seen one. 

Modifié par Reap_ii, 25 février 2013 - 05:51 .

[Hexley UK]

So...much....delusion....

[DirtyPhoenix]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

I don't see why i should care if i am minority or majority as bioware is not changeing the ending either way. Clever noob just needs to move on

[Sejborg]

Are you people retarded? They said they wouldn't touch the endings again. To say that bioware don't listen to feedback is a lie - they are releasing a dlc where you meet up with companions from ME2 plus Wrex.

So how about you show me the polls saying the majority don't want to team up with the old gang.