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[Riot Inducer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

So not only do we get (in my very personal opinion right here) subpar writing when it concerns the Salarians in ME3 and they are arguably the one species with the least screentime ever in the entire ME series, but after a year+ of MP with a community asking and asking and asking for more Salarian kits for MP, we finally got the very definite ultimate answer to our pleas:

Batarians says hi.

Pretty sure the Hanar have even them beat, you see all of two in ME2 and I think three or four in ME3. Still, mechanical issues limit them from being implimented as playable, same with the Elcor.

[kheldorin]

Riot Inducer wrote...

kheldorin wrote...

ShinTheZero wrote...

Talon Mercenary = He can be Salarian, just saying.
And the Talon has a lot of "hidden" weapons and very unorthodox weapons, which fits the style of a hitman.

And the pet kit ... we have a certain Volus with 2 pets and tech armor,

Yeah and you want more of the same style? It's boring gameplay.

When you take into account the Bloodpack weapons, it's clear that Bioware intended to add in more Omega influence into the game. The talon mercenary is a good way to include that. To me, even though he's human, he's more unique than a Salarian because he was an unrepresented faction in the Mass Effect world. So I wouldn't switch him with a Salarian.

What people are saying is that you could keep the talon exactly the same but just replace his zaeed model with a Salarian and everyone would've been happy. As cool as the Zaeed armor is I'm pretty sure no one ever asked to have a character with his armor. There were plenty of salarian mercs on Omega, he could've easily satisfied several requests by just changing his model.

Mind you I'm not complaining about the talon specifically, the Zaeed armor is quite nice but I can't help but feel rather shorted for not having gotten a single new salarian kit since launch.

Ah ok. That makes sense. 

Personally as long as it adds something new and unique to the game, I don't really care.

I'm pretty sure that there are requests for more tribute to Robin Sachs aka Zaeed.

[X_Bacon]

It's a shame indeed. It's really hard to find a SE on PUGs these days and it has been for some time (I still play as one), they should at least buff Decoy back to its original state.
One of the main reasons for the nerf was to stop FBWGG farming, and that is pretty much "fixed" by now...

Modifié par X_Bacon, 25 février 2013 - 09:00 .

[jaylovesash]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

Hmm, how many times will you continue to ignore my point that the DLC is fine enough as itself?

Who said I was on about you lol this whole thread is full of people complaining about it.

[FateNeverEnds]

Hate to be a whiner myself, but you're totally right. The game needs more salarians and unless it is a surprise the devs didn't want to reveal today it's a real shame we are not getting any more. I'd sacrifice a couple volus/turians (yes I'm talking to you Merc/Havoc) any day to bring a new salarian to the roster.

[jaylovesash]

Gangnam Style wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

being free does not exclude it from criticism

No it doesnt but like I said its got plenty of good points and harping on about the negatives isnt gunna change anything. I could create a 6 page thread complaining bout no new maps but I havnt. Ive chose to enjoy it for what it is. If you all wanna just whine about it and achieve nothing then fair enough

Modifié par jaylovesash, 25 février 2013 - 09:01 .

[jaylovesash]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

kheldorin wrote...

Riot Inducer wrote...

kheldorin wrote...

ShinTheZero wrote...

Talon Mercenary = He can be Salarian, just saying.
And the Talon has a lot of "hidden" weapons and very unorthodox weapons, which fits the style of a hitman.

And the pet kit ... we have a certain Volus with 2 pets and tech armor,

Yeah and you want more of the same style? It's boring gameplay.

When you take into account the Bloodpack weapons, it's clear that Bioware intended to add in more Omega influence into the game. The talon mercenary is a good way to include that. To me, even though he's human, he's more unique than a Salarian because he was an unrepresented faction in the Mass Effect world. So I wouldn't switch him with a Salarian.

What people are saying is that you could keep the talon exactly the same but just replace his zaeed model with a Salarian and everyone would've been happy. As cool as the Zaeed armor is I'm pretty sure no one ever asked to have a character with his armor. There were plenty of salarian mercs on Omega, he could've easily satisfied several requests by just changing his model.

Mind you I'm not complaining about the talon specifically, the Zaeed armor is quite nice but I can't help but feel rather shorted for not having gotten a single new salarian kit since launch.

Ah ok. That makes sense. 

Personally as long as it adds something new and unique to the game, I don't really care.

I'm pretty sure that there are requests for more tribute to Robin Sachs aka Zaeed.

We had an operation just for that. Can't say we ever got close to something like it with Salarians though iirc.

Not wanting to discredit whatever intention for the Zaeed body implementation, just stating how it is.






Frankly the only thing that bothers me more atm is that I am not even going to enjoy the DLC myself anyway as Origin is hellbent on keeping me away from ME3.


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@ jaylovesash

Sorry then. I am a bit pricky right now after all.

That does suck and I feel for ya. Hopefully youll get it sorted

[JediHarbinger]

jaylovesash wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

Hmm, how many times will you continue to ignore my point that the DLC is fine enough as itself?

Who said I was on about you lol this whole thread is full of people complaining about it.

Hey!

How dare you sir 

[GroverA125]

Gangnam Style wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

being free does not exclude it from criticism

Can't agree more. I go to work, and it's not only free, but I actually GET PAID to do it, sure as hell doesn't mean I can't criticize it and complain!

Now for analogy time:

Having no Salarians since launch is the equivalent of a Sonic game being released that has all of the characters in it, with Charmy the Bee being a major character, everybody there, except Knuckles is only a cameo character, and is unplayable, while everyone else is completely playable, some of which are not even valuable to the story and are just there for no apparent reason other than to take up space on the disc, maybe two or three people even show any interest in them.

Another example is a Marvel Superheroes game that doesn't include Deadpool, Iron Man or Spiderman, or a DC game that doesn't include Batman. And in either of these cases, they only turn up as cameos, while the less popular superheroes are fully playable, as well as the other major superheroes.

If that's not good enough for you, it's like anything that features Sean Bean in it, except he is not killed off. It's immediately terrible. Even Oblivion managed to kill him off.

Modifié par GroverA125, 25 février 2013 - 09:07 .

[jaylovesash]

JediHarbinger wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

Hmm, how many times will you continue to ignore my point that the DLC is fine enough as itself?

Who said I was on about you lol this whole thread is full of people complaining about it.

Hey!

How dare you sir 

*hangs head in shame* lol

[Najarati]

Personally, I would have liked one more female quarian kit as there's never been an additional one; however, it didn't happen and that's fine. I still have the QFE and QFI. As for the salarians, although I don't personally care for them (with Mordin being an exception) I'm a little surprised at least one more salarian kit wasn't added.

Modifié par Najarati, 25 février 2013 - 09:07 .

[jaylovesash]

GroverA125 wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

being free does not exclude it from criticism

Can't agree more. I go to work, and it's not only free, but I actually GET PAID to do it, sure as hell doesn't mean I can't criticize it and complain!

Now for analogy time:

Having no Salarians since launch is the equivalent of a Sonic game being released that has all of the characters in it, with Charmy the Bee being a major character, everybody there, except Knuckles is only a cameo character, and is unplayable, while everyone else is completely playable, some of which are not even valuable to the story and are just there for no apparent reason other than to take up space on the disc, maybe two or three people even show any interest in them.

Another example is a Marvel Superheroes game that doesn't include Deadpool, Iron Man or Spiderman, or a DC game that doesn't include Batman. And in either of these cases, they only turn up as cameos, while the less popular superheroes are fully playable, as well as the other major superheroes.

If that's not good enough for you, it's like anything that features Sean Bean in it, except he is not killed off. It's immediately terrible. Even Oblivion managed to kill him off.

Youre not getting my point. Its clear theres things youre not happy about with it.
Theres things im not happy about with it.
All im saying is although may make u feel better voicing your complaints in reality it wont get you anywhere.
So all im saying is not to stress out about it, you'll just burst a blood vessel or something.

Chill abit

[Happy Shepard]

jaylovesash wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

being free does not exclude it from criticism

No it doesnt but like I said its got plenty of good points and harping on about the negatives isnt gunna change anything. I could create a 6 page thread complaining bout no new maps but I havnt. Ive chose to enjoy it for what it is. If you all wanna just whine about it and achieve nothing then fair enough but I have better things to do than follow a crybaby thread, sorry

That's complete BS. This thread criticizes BioWare for not adding new Salarian kits to MP in any DLC and the criticism is totally legit. As would be a thread about no new maps or hazards.

This is what a forum is for. So we can talk about the game. Part of that is inevitably going to be complaints about bugs, glitches and missing content. If you want to discuss the actual DLC and not the lack of Salarians, then i'd suggest you post in those threads and stop posting here. Simple as that.

[Immortal Strife]

Who needs more Salarians when we already have the SI, one of the most Bad **** kits I the game.

[Cyonan]

ShinTheZero wrote...
Other races now lack any further reasons, to get more. Especially humans.
Humans: 22. I may silence and will you get, what I mean.
Asari: 5 Biotics. Pretty much everything covered, what a Biotic race can have.
Turian: 6. Way enough, though the Saboteur is a poor cheat for a new character (hey, found another one to replace).
Krogan: 5. We have even Shamans, that says a lot.
Quarians: 5. The only race with Humans, who have male and female parts. They even managed to give them different powers.
Geth: 4. Basic Trooper, Hunter, Engineer and the Prime itself. Pretty much perfect.
Batarians: 4. I do not understand, why we have so many biotics there.
Vorcha: 3. Another race, which is underpresented. They have great potential for a Vanguard and even an Infiltrator, because of their nature.
Drell: 3. There are no really more Options than that. Soldiers and Sentinels do not fit Drells.

Now, main rant:
Volus: 4(!!!). Now this is getting somewhat ridicilous. A merchant race has more than a council race, which are trained Special Ops. Yes, the Adept and the Engineer are great supports and they do fit nicely to the Volus Image ... but after that, the rest is ridicilious. Especially for merchants, who even hire Turians to protect themselves.

Why not taking the very obvious way to introduce more Salarians? It is not even hard to do that without causing Major rants about the EDI-Model and the awakened collectors. Salarians have still the Soldier and Sentinel branch to grow and it is more plausible than other further inventions, don't you think?

There is always more potential for a species. We have no biotic soldier that doesn't rely on Warp Rounds. We don't really have too many biotics that do high damage outside of BEs(those two are for the Asari mainly).

The role of the species in SP does not really have any weight in terms of number of kits they have in MP, or else the Turians would need to make up the bulk of our characters.

They've shown that they don't always wake the most plausable route and sometimes go for some stuff that's a little out there that we've been asking for.

In reality, most of the requests that are feasible have valid points as to why they should be added, and the Salarians are certainly no exception.

I don't expect that people will like it, just as I didn't expect that BioWare could have an excuse that Salarian lovers would have been happy with. Though the reasoning is likely that one can only add so many of the requests to the game.

I also expect that this thread will change nothing, as this was the last DLC and it's well past finalized by now =P

[oO Stryfe Oo]

bluebeam wrote...

Who ever asked for edi-shaped bots? I have never seen such a request. There's only two Salarians since launch and there have been requests to have more of them, while every other race has seen its numbers increase. We have every right to express our displeasure here.

There were a few people who asked for EDI-clones and there was a little bit of a want for Mercenary kits earlier. Imo, BW could've replaced the Talon Engineer or the AIU with a Salarian and no one would've bat an eyelash. I'm pretty sure those asking for Mercs and EDI bots (the second one especially) weren't really thinking that their request would be made a reality. Besides, I'm pretty sure the people who supported more Salarians outnumbered those who wanted EDI bots (I mean, come on). Salarians just seemed like such a no brainer, while out of the box ideas like the AIU and the Talon Merc are just so...unconventional.

I feel for you guys. I really do. Must be embarrasing to have the Volus putting Salarians to shame like that.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Cyonan wrote...

I also expect that this thread will change nothing, as this was the last DLC and it's well past finalized by now =P

I don't know what it is, but this sentence just seems so douche-y. Maybe it's the "=P" at the end.

[Mistergutsy]

haven't read all the comments, but i have to agree I've been hoping for a salarian sentinel since the demo...oh well i guess, back to all the darn volus i keep unlocking ugh

[jaylovesash]

Happy Shepard wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

I think it just goes to prove that you cant please everybody. Its a free DLC for godsakes. Yes it could have been broader but its not. Just deal with it and move on

being free does not exclude it from criticism

No it doesnt but like I said its got plenty of good points and harping on about the negatives isnt gunna change anything. I could create a 6 page thread complaining bout no new maps but I havnt. Ive chose to enjoy it for what it is. If you all wanna just whine about it and achieve nothing then fair enough but I have better things to do than follow a crybaby thread, sorry

That's complete BS. This thread criticizes BioWare for not adding new Salarian kits to MP in any DLC and the criticism is totally legit. As would be a thread about no new maps or hazards.

This is what a forum is for. So we can talk about the game. Part of that is inevitably going to be complaints about bugs, glitches and missing content. If you want to discuss the actual DLC and not the lack of Salarians, then i'd suggest you post in those threads and stop posting here. Simple as that.

Once again point missed. Im not saying dont voice your complaints etc, what im saying is dont stress out over it. Its a game at the end of the day. Not some massive drama. Lifes full of things were not happy with and its pretty clear you cant please everyone.

So basically Im getting hate replies for trying to get people to chill out about it? kay lol maybe you should start at looking at what you have and not what you dont have. Might make you appreciate the little things abit more.

Im quite happy about this DLC as a whole and intend to enjoy it. If you want to just point out the negatives rather than enjoy what they have produced thats your hold up.

Clearly theyve put alot of time and effot into the MP as a whole I personally think theyve done very well and not gunna act ungrateful.

This threads tired and Im done with it. Sorry

[GroverA125]

jaylovesash wrote...

Youre not getting my point. Its clear theres things youre not happy about with it.
Theres things im not happy about with it.
All im saying is although may make u feel better voicing your complaints in reality it wont get you anywhere.
So all im saying is not to stress out about it, you'll just burst a blood vessel or something.

Chill abit

Again, you make the mistake that we're all bursting out into rage for no apparent reason. Bioware have said they won't do another MP DLC, this is the last one, but that doesn't mean that it's in vain.

I'm well aware we won't see more Salarians added into ME3 MP, but I'm still here. We're still whining for the same reason that we all stood up and argued over the SP ending when they adamantly said they weren't changing it. It's not about now, it's about tomorrow. Currently, Bioware have had to deal with a PR ****storm around their shoddy work on their part. Next time someone gets up at the development session to suggest something for a new ending (for example ME4), they'll think twice about what the hell they're saying, as they know that we won't like it if they screw us over again.

The same can be applied here. If a lot of people express outrage and disappointment that they imbalanced the racial-class count and left certain races completely for over a year, chances are that they won't do it again without sitting down and REALLY thinking about it. Yes, it doesn't help our situation now, but later it will sure as hell sort a few things out. Picture if we sat down and accepted the endings for what they are, what does that show of us? Other than that we're perfectly fine having rubbish thrown at us and it being called a quality product, instead our actions closed that avenue of practice, making developers think twice before they do something similar.

Because lets be realistic, Bioware, and all game developers at that, wouldn't give a rat's behind about our opinions if we didn't raise our voices about things. Hell, Call of Duty would still have Last Stand and Deathstreaks if people didn't burst a couple of arteries making their point.

[Happy Shepard]

That was not a hate reply. I was simply calling you out for implying that everybody who doesn't love everything about the DLC is a crybaby and should stop whining.

[jaylovesash]

GroverA125 wrote...

jaylovesash wrote...

Youre not getting my point. Its clear theres things youre not happy about with it.
Theres things im not happy about with it.
All im saying is although may make u feel better voicing your complaints in reality it wont get you anywhere.
So all im saying is not to stress out about it, you'll just burst a blood vessel or something.

Chill abit

Again, you make the mistake that we're all bursting out into rage for no apparent reason. Bioware have said they won't do another MP DLC, this is the last one, but that doesn't mean that it's in vain.

I'm well aware we won't see more Salarians added into ME3 MP, but I'm still here. We're still whining for the same reason that we all stood up and argued over the SP ending when they adamantly said they weren't changing it. It's not about now, it's about tomorrow. Currently, Bioware have had to deal with a PR ****storm around their shoddy work on their part. Next time someone gets up at the development session to suggest something for a new ending (for example ME4), they'll think twice about what the hell they're saying, as they know that we won't like it if they screw us over again.

The same can be applied here. If a lot of people express outrage and disappointment that they imbalanced the racial-class count and left certain races completely for over a year, chances are that they won't do it again without sitting down and REALLY thinking about it. Yes, it doesn't help our situation now, but later it will sure as hell sort a few things out. Picture if we sat down and accepted the endings for what they are, what does that show of us? Other than that we're perfectly fine having rubbish thrown at us and it being called a quality product, instead our actions closed that avenue of practice, making developers think twice before they do something similar.

Because lets be realistic, Bioware, and all game developers at that, wouldn't give a rat's behind about our opinions if we didn't raise our voices about things. Hell, Call of Duty would still have Last Stand and Deathstreaks if people didn't burst a couple of arteries making their point.

I see your point. yeah we all complained about the SP ending and demanded a alt ending... did we get one??? No we got a more detailed ending. Thats what some wanted and not others.

Im not saying dont express your disapointment or whatever (Im disapointed too) Im just saying there are alot of possitives too (which we also discuss on this site too?) I agree in a sense its constructive feedback and might help with future releases. But the point Im trying to make is dont work yaselves up over it.

For doing that im getting hate replies. Seriously? Cant help that I think even though this DLC has some flaws that I choose to see the good in it. If that offends anyone I apologise. Just trying to get everyone to enjoy themselves abit.

Thats about all. Anyway peace...