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[Slappy Ya Face]

For the sake of an interesting discussion, we'll use the example of a playthrough where the genophage ahs been cured, but Wrex and Eve are dead. Obviously the Krogan are primed for another war. If we also assume that everything else has been done "right" in terms of races saved and war assets gathered, how do you think the resulting krogan war would play out with your favorite ending taken into account? This of course includes the possibilities of Shepard surviving for destroy, or even controlling the reapers.

Modifié par Slappy Ya Face, 25 février 2013 - 06:58 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

The krogan will probably all die in every scenario.

[Slappy Ya Face]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

The krogan will probably all die in every scenario.

They would probably have a better shot in the Destroy scenario. The fleets are all beat to hell, and there are no reaper space police to handle the situation. Their numbers will replenish a hell of a lot faster than the others races, which have been severely weakened. 

[Village_Idiot]

It wouldn't end well. Assuming Shepard post-Destroy is in any state capable of fighting, s/he'd have their work cut out.

If Shep isn't able to deploy his/her amazing diplomatic/ass-kicking skills to smooth things over, I see a long period of krogan appeasement followed by a bloody war the average citizen would have no stomach for after the Reaper invasion. And with the Turians, Asari, and Humans already decimated, it could end badly unless genophage 2.0 was deployed.

[SyK18]

Krogan will most probably have a fit with the Salarians or travel to the Yahg homeworld. But if Wrex is in comand instead of Wreav then there will be Krogan wars only for power.

[Han Shot First]

The Krogan are going to be badly battered, just like everyone else, after the defeat of the Reapers. They likely suffered heavy casualties on both Palaven and Earth. Also at the end of Mass Effect 3 the Krogan have no fleet to speak of.

If there is going to be a war with the Krogan it isn't going to occur for decades. It may not even occur in Shepard's lifetime.

[Slappy Ya Face]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

It wouldn't end well. Assuming Shepard post-Destroy is in any state capable of fighting, s/he'd have their work cut out.

If Shep isn't able to deploy his/her amazing diplomatic/ass-kicking skills to smooth things over, I see a long period of krogan appeasement followed by a bloody war the average citizen would have no stomach for after the Reaper invasion. And with the Turians, Asari, and Humans already decimated, it could end badly unless genophage 2.0 was deployed.

I'm pretty sure if they lost a second war, it would end in genocide 1.0

[Slappy Ya Face]

Han Shot First wrote...

The Krogan are going to be badly battered, just like everyone else, after the defeat of the Reapers. They likely suffered heavy casualties on both Palaven and Earth. Also at the end of Mass Effect 3 the Krogan have no fleet to speak of.

If there is going to be a war with the Krogan it isn't going to occur for decades. It may not even occur in Shepard's lifetime.

That's a fair point, they're not a space worthy race. They can steal ships though. 

[mumba]

Would the Krogan even have any ships?

[Wayning_Star]

Nah, the Krogan would have no reason to rebel. Unless we gave them more reason. imho

[Village_Idiot]

Mumba1511 wrote...

Would the Krogan even have any ships?

If Wreav has any sense (and whilst a warmongerer, he isn't completely stupid) he'd use the Krogan's contribution in the war to lever concessions out of the Council races, much like the end of the Rachni wars- colonies, shipbuilding rights and so on. Going to war without anything to do so with doesn't make much strategic sense.

[DeinonSlayer]

Well, the one playthrough where the cure went forward with Wreav in charge left the Rachni alive as a foil to them, and FemShep chose Control. They rebel, they get swatted back down. Cycle, rinse, repeat.

My other FemShep talked down Mordin and sabotaged the cure, then chose Destroy. Wreav won't get far off the ground. Literally. The Krogan have no ships to carry them.

One MaleShep (my canon) cured the Genophage with Wrex and Eve alive, then chose Destroy. If they were usurped from power, again, the Krogan have no fleets.

My other MaleShep shot Wiks with Wrex alive and Eve dead. With Wrex and Wreav both dead, I imagine they'll get bogged down in internal conflict - as, again, they have no fleets. Then again, that same Shepard shot the brat in the end, so I guess it's moot in the face of the coming harvest.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 février 2013 - 07:11 .

[Wayning_Star]

another point being what would they gain and who would they rebel against?

[Village_Idiot]

Wayning_Star wrote...

another point being what would they gain and who would they rebel against?

Wreav is a megalomaniac, and Krogan are genetically compelled to fight things. It's a bad combination.

[Han Shot First]

Shadrach 88 wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

Would the Krogan even have any ships?

If Wreav has any sense (and whilst a warmongerer, he isn't completely stupid) he'd use the Krogan's contribution in the war to lever concessions out of the Council races, much like the end of the Rachni wars- colonies, shipbuilding rights and so on. Going to war without anything to do so with doesn't make much strategic sense.

Even if he gets those concessions however, building a fleet capable of taking on the Big 4 (Asari, Turians, Salarians, Alliance) is going to take many years. Consider that it took 2 years to build the Normandy SR2, and thats just one ship. Granted, the Normandy is a little more state-of-the-art than most ships but at the minimum you are still probably talking many months for each ship, and the Krogan need to build an entire fleet of thousands of them. And this is also assuming that the Krogan economy can support that expenditure in a short amount of time, which is fairly unlikely IMO.

If there is a Krogan War I don't think it occurs for centuries.

[The Night Mammoth]

The war never gets off the ground.

Quite literally.

They need ships, basically, which they don't have. On the surface they're lethal, with high numbers and freakish durability and strength, but that counts for nothing in orbit.

[111987]

In Synthesis, Wreav backs off anyways.

In Control, I doubt he'd try anything once he realizes Shepard, a human, is now in control of all Reaper ships and troops.

In Destroy, they lack the ships and allies needed to start, let alone win, any kind of war.

In Refuse, they're all dead anyways.

[AlanC9]

I'm with the consensus. It'll take decades for the krogan to be a real threat.

[Village_Idiot]

Han Shot First wrote...

Even if he gets those concessions however, building a fleet capable of taking on the Big 4 (Asari, Turians, Salarians, Alliance) is going to take many years. Consider that it took 2 years to build the Normandy SR2, and thats just one ship. Granted, the Normandy is a little more state-of-the-art than most ships but at the minimum you are still probably talking many months for each ship, and the Krogan need to build an entire fleet of thousands of them. And this is also assuming that the Krogan economy can support that expenditure in a short amount of time, which is fairly unlikely IMO.

If there is a Krogan War I don't think it occurs for centuries.

A fair point, but the Krogan would have no shortage of manpower for construction efforts considering how quickly they reproduce. Their doctrine appears to be force in overwhelming numbers rather than tactical finesse, and I imagine their fleet would be little different- a swarm of cheaply built, low tech ships which are more suited to boarding actions and ramming things rather than precision firepower. Attrition rate would be high, but the Krogan can make good their losses and replace ships far more easily than the expensive and higher-tech vessels favoured by the other races.

Not to mention that the Krogan don't fight fair. Citadel conventions mean nothing to them, so colony drops and other WMDs are on the table. Not much use in a fleet battle, but it's hard to fight a war when your power bases are being bombarded with nukes and asteroids.

[jacko621]

[Fates end]

Primarily the reason most of my sheps don't cure the genophage. Krogan would want payback against the Salarians and Turians, I think. Even if Wrex is alive, he's an old Krogan and not going to live all that much longer, in Krogan terms. After that, hoping "cooler" heads will prevail seems a tad on the risky side.

[NeonFlux117]

I would say the krogan would get their ass handed to them if the Geth where still alive in the destroy ending. But they're not. And this leaves an opportunity for the Krogan to multiply and make a serious run at galactic power.

[justafan]

I say let them rebel. After millennia of the genophage, it is understandable that they are a little pissed off at the council. Humanity will be spared thanks to Shepard's involvement in curing the genophage building good will towards humananity, whom the krogan would have no interest in fighting, and it would mostly be them vs. Turians and Salarians.

When the Turians and Salarians come to the Alliance for help, the human ambassador should kindly remind them of Eden Prime and the Collector attacks on human colonies, and remind the council that since human worlds haven't been attacked, this is purely a Salarian/Turian problem. The Alliance should only step in to negotiate peace or prevent the genocide of the losing side.  I also think that any attempt at genocide would draw in the now formidable Quarian/Geth fleet(s) to the defenders, since I doubt they would take kindly to genocide given their history, which should prove a formidable deterrent to the total wars of the past.

This is assuming Shepard chose destroy and the Krogan have enough time before the relays are prepared to repopulate and build infrastructure and ships so they won't be steamrolled by whatever remains of the Turian fleet.  I still think the remnants of the council would prevail, but it would be at quite the cost.

Modifié par justafan, 25 février 2013 - 09:29 .

[Celtic man51]

Rachni eat Krogan if that happens then take over Tuchanka. Thats why i spare the Rachni its so the Krogan don't get any ideas...

[Robhuzz]

The Krogan to rebel again? I doubt they would actually do it even under Wreav since the Salarians could just recreate the Genophage and I guarantee the Turians would have no qualms about using it again if it saved them from another massive war against the Krogan. Under the threat of being infected with the Genophage again, I doubt even Wreav would risk that.