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[Patchwork]

After the Reapers the turians wouldn't take any chances. The first sign of the krogan mobilising and they'd carpet bomb the planet and deal the political fallout afterwards.

[StayFrosty05]

I have never felt good about curing the Genophage....Wrex and Eve survive in my game....but Krogan are Krogan, I do not think it's wise to cure the Genophage, the Krogan are far from ready for that responsibility.

[Bob Garbage]

If all the already allied forces smacked them down quick enough, their future "numbers" wouldn't even matter.

[Eterna]

They will settle it down or else. The Reapers in my Control would not touch them unless they became a significant threat to the safety of other galatic communities.

Honestly though, probably dropping one or two Capital Ships on Tuchanka would be enough to dissuade them from further violence. The mere presence of the reapers should be incentive enough. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 25 février 2013 - 10:35 .

[Steelcan]

They get it together or I personally destroy them with extreme prejudice

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

If anything, it's worse when you cure the Krogan under Eve and Wrex. The galaxy is lured into a false sense of security, the Krogan are allowed to rebuild, acquire fertile colonies, and gain a galactic foothold. Then, Wrex and Eve die or falter, and the horde rallies behind some new warlord bent on retribution.

[archangel1996]

the majority of krogan die on Earth, you know dextrofood and destroyed portals don't get along

Modifié par archangel1996, 25 février 2013 - 10:55 .

[Solaxe]

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
 and the horde rallies behind some new warlord bent on retribution.

I doubt he would be old enough to remember the genophage

[Leonardo the Magnificent]

Solaxe wrote...

Leonardo the Magnificent wrote...
 and the horde rallies behind some new warlord bent on retribution.

I doubt he would be old enough to remember the genophage

It matters little whether or not he remembers, only that he has some sort of goal to rally the Krogan behind, namely retribution for the horrors inflicted by the Genophage. The Krogan aren't exactly peace-loving; they'll jump into conflict at the slightest provocation.

[nrobbiec]

Funnily enough if you sabotage the genophage with Wrex and Eve dead, it looks like the Krogan go extinct and the Rachni end up colonising Tuchanka.

[Auld Wulf]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

They would probably have a better shot in the Destroy scenario. The fleets are all beat to hell, and there are no reaper space police to handle the situation. Their numbers will replenish a hell of a lot faster than the others races, which have been severely weakened.

Not to mention that the Citadel (a strategic powerhouse) is blown to smithereens, and EDI and the geth are all dead. And the Catalyst also says things that makes me believe that any cybernetically enhanced individual (even the good guys) will be severely injured by the Destroy wave as the implants in their bodies explode.

This is why Destroy as a 'good' ending absolutely baffles me. I know from a simplistic, black & white perspective I'm sure some people must think it is (as I've laid out in my sig), but they're ignoring the obvious factors...

- The Leviathans are going to be using thralls to get orbs spread around the galaxy.
- Some krogans might take this as a chance to assert dominance, nothing really stopping them.
- The Rachni, if they're alive, might see this as a good time to strike.

We're talking all apocalyptic hell, here. Where everyone is so beaten that they just get preyed upon and picked off by the leviathans and other threats. The byline for Destroy to me, is: "And so, most of the organics got themselves enslaveed or slaughtered because of their own stupidity, ludditism, and xenophobia. A fitting end, species that stupid rarely deserve to exist."

It just feels like BioWare purposefully set it up to feel that way.

And in honesty, I'm glad they did. Games (and gamers) need to grow the heck up and actually enjoy more nuanced, intellectual, emotionaly charged endings. Games shouldn't all just be a cut & paste from my signature. So I'm glad that Destroy is actually the bad ending, one where the galaxy is about to go to hell.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 26 février 2013 - 12:13 .

[Slappy Ya Face]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

They would probably have a better shot in the Destroy scenario. The fleets are all beat to hell, and there are no reaper space police to handle the situation. Their numbers will replenish a hell of a lot faster than the others races, which have been severely weakened.

Not to mention that the Citadel (a strategic powerhouse) is blown to smithereens, and EDI and the geth are all dead. And the Catalyst also says things that makes me believe that any cybernetically enhanced individual (even the good guys) will be severely injured by the Destroy wave as the implants in their bodies explode.

This is why Destroy as a 'good' ending absolutely baffles me. I know from a simplistic, black & white perspective I'm sure some people must think it is (as I've laid out in my sig), but they're ignoring the obvious factors...

- The Leviathans are going to be using thralls to get orbs spread around the galaxy.
- Some krogans might take this as a chance to assert dominance, nothing really stopping them.
- The Rachni, if they're alive, might see this as a good time to strike.

We're talking all apocalyptic hell, here. Where everyone is so beaten that they just get preyed upon and picked off by the leviathans and other threats. The byline for Destroy to me, is: "And so, most of the organics got themselves enslaveed or slaughtered because of their own stupidity, ludditism, and xenophobia. A fitting end, species that stupid rarely deserve to exist."

It just feels like BioWare purposefully set it up to feel that way.

And in honesty, I'm glad they did. Games (and gamers) need to grow the heck up and actually enjoy more nuanced, intellectual, emotionaly charged endings. Games shouldn't all just be a cut & paste from my signature. So I'm glad that Destroy is actually the bad ending, one where the galaxy is about to go to hell.

I disagree on a few things here, but I'll condense it down to I like the destroy ending. My objections not wqithstanding, I don't trust the other options. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I would like to know with what are the Krogan going to rebel? I didn't cure the genophage, Wreav!

The orbs are pretty high tech and related to reaper tech = gone. Dead. Sorry Leviathans. Go make cuttlefishies. I know where you are. Do you know how to spell "our planet got nuked to dust"? Sure, I knew you did.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 février 2013 - 02:34 .

[l7986]

If the Krogan rebelled I'd send in the geth. Nothing like a heartless machine to finish what the Salarians and Turians started, and if Shepard controlled the Rippers I'd send in Harby and company to put them down hard.

Modifié par l7986, 26 février 2013 - 02:32 .

[KiwiQuiche]

If that happens, this time they will be rendered extinct.

[Auld Wulf]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

I disagree on a few things here, but I'll condense it down to I like the destroy ending. My objections not wqithstanding, I don't trust the other options.

I hope you'll do me the courtesy though of noting that I don't tell people what to like or not. I'm just saying that from an objective viewpoint, in the Destroy continuity, the galaxy is screwed to apocalyptic hell and back. I'm just saying that for all the people involved, it represents a worst case scenario. It is the worst case scenario ending.

In both Control and Synthesis you have allies who could stand against the likes the Leviathans and other threats. And it's worth mentioning that Synthesis heals people, so they're not all wrecked bodies. Synthesis and Control also don't devestate entire armies (the genocide of all synthetic and pseudo-synthetic life).

If you look at it objectively, setting aside over-simplifications and personal feelings, Destroy is basically a picture painted of the galaxy going to hell. If it were me? I would have been kind enough to do Refuse, at least.

Objectively speaking, Destroy represents dark times ahead.

If they wanted to be any blunt, they should have named the endings: Synthesis, Control, Refuse, and You're All Completely Screwed.

As a final point: To not pick Synthesis or Control because you don't trust the Reapers is a logically inconsistent view. You're saying that you 'trust' them to destroy themselves, but you don't trust them to help you? Okay, sure. So let's say that the Reapers are the Machiavellian moustache-twirlers that you believe they are. The Reapers 'destroyed' themselves (and the geth, and the Citadel, et al), leaving all these Reaper husks around. In the interim they continue to indoctrinate anyone who enters them and they use those people to distribute some kind of huskifying virus.

To find the Reapers trustworthy enough only to kill themselves is the most ridiculous concept. If Doctor Doom said that one would be given three options, "I will release your friends, I will grant you a piece of forbidden information, or I will kill myself!" then which would you think Doctor Doom would be the least likely to actually do.

So, the geth are dead, the Citadel is gone, the fleets are wrecked, the leviathans are spreading control orbs around, the rachni and krogan rebels are preparing for a war, and the 'destroyed' Reapers let forth their husk virus.

I mean... really.

Sometimes I think I'm one of the few people alive with the capacity for critical analysis. To consider something trustworthy enough to only destroy itself is asinine.

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 26 février 2013 - 04:35 .

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

I disagree on a few things here, but I'll condense it down to I like the destroy ending. My objections not wqithstanding, I don't trust the other options.

I hope you'll do me the courtesy though of noting that I don't tell people what to like or not. I'm just saying that from an objective viewpoint, in the Destroy continuity, the galaxy is screwed to apocalyptic hell and back. I'm just saying that for all the people involved, it represents a worst case scenario. It is the worst case scenario ending.

In both Control and Synthesis you have allies who could stand against the likes the Leviathans and other threats. And it's worth mentioning that Synthesis heals people, so they're not all wrecked bodies. Synthesis and Control also don't devestate entire armies (the genocide of all synthetic and pseudo-synthetic life).

If you look at it objectively, setting aside over-simplifications and personal feelings, Destroy is basically a picture painted of the galaxy going to hell. If it were me? I would have been kind enough to do Refuse, at least.

Objectively speaking, Destroy represents dark times ahead.

If they wanted to be any blunt, they should have named the endings: Synthesis, Control, Refuse, and You're All Completely Screwed.

As a final point: To not pick Synthesis or Control because you don't trust the Reapers is a logically inconsistent view. You're saying that you 'trust' them to destroy themselves, but you don't trust them to help you? Okay, sure. So let's say that the Reapers are the Machiavellian moustache-twirlers that you believe they are. The Reapers 'destroyed' themselves (and the geth, and the Citadel, et al), leaving all these Reaper husks around. In the interim they continue to indoctrinate anyone who enters them and they use those people to distribute some kind of huskifying virus.

To find the Reapers trustworthy enough only to kill themselves is the most ridiculous concept. If Doctor Doom said that one would be given three options, "I will release your friends, I will grant you a piece of forbidden information, or I will kill myself!" then which would you think Doctor Doom would be the least likely to actually do.

So, the geth are dead, the Citadel is gone, the fleets are wrecked, the leviathans are spreading control orbs around, the rachni and krogan rebels are preparing for a war, and the 'destroyed' Reapers let forth their husk virus.

I mean... really.

Sometimes I think I'm one of the few people alive with the capacity for critical analysis. To consider something trustworthy enough to only destroy itself is asinine.

you have to admit Auld Wulf, that shep lives in the destroy choice..big attraction to that choice and is a set up by writers from ME1 through ME3. Its a kill kill kill, oh wait a minute?!? situation. Another grabber is that the other choices are quite bizarre. I like bizarre so that's the way I went..fits the MEU, imho Other opinions may vary..

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 26 février 2013 - 04:44 .

[majinstrings]

I've always thought that the next entry in the series could be about a 2nd Krogan Rebellion...

Either the Genophage is cured and the Krogan want revenge and feel confident with their increased numbers as the rest of the galaxy tries to recover.

or

The Genophage is not cured and the Krogan, seeing themselves as a dying race, decide to out with a bang and go 'all in' while the rest of the galaxy tries to recover.

Both scenarios look very possible...

A second Krogan Rebellion seems kind of inevitable to me...

[gisle]

Just don't fix their nebula's mass relay. Problem. Solved.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

majinstrings wrote...

I've always thought that the next entry in the series could be about a 2nd Krogan Rebellion...

Either the Genophage is cured and the Krogan want revenge and feel confident with their increased numbers as the rest of the galaxy tries to recover.

or

The Genophage is not cured and the Krogan, seeing themselves as a dying race, decide to out with a bang and go 'all in' while the rest of the galaxy tries to recover.

Both scenarios look very possible...

A second Krogan Rebellion seems kind of inevitable to me...

They don't have ships. 

[Argolas]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
They don't have ships. 

This. Their ground forces can be as strong as they like, you can't invade other worlds without ships. The Council and Alliance will just blow every Krogan invasion out of the sky before they even get to the next Relay.

Modifié par Argolas, 26 février 2013 - 06:51 .

[Indy_S]

Auld Wulf's reasoning for not choosing Destroy: something bad might happen.

Excuse me if I don't find that as compelling as other arguments.

[Argolas]

Indy_S wrote...

Auld Wulf's reasoning for not choosing Destroy: something bad might happen.

Excuse me if I don't find that as compelling as other arguments.

Don't forget that all Destroyers are stupid binary thinkers and as bad as Hitler.

[Mr.House]

Robhuzz wrote...

The Krogan to rebel again? I doubt they would actually do it even under Wreav since the Salarians could just recreate the Genophage and I guarantee the Turians would have no qualms about using it again if it saved them from another massive war against the Krogan. Under the threat of being infected with the Genophage again, I doubt even Wreav would risk that.

In the game  if Wreave leads the krogan they go extinct because another war broke out and this time there was no genophage given. The file is even called WreavesWasteland. Unless you pick merge, then Wreave ius a peace guy all of a sudden.

Modifié par Mr.House, 26 février 2013 - 07:07 .

[Indy_S]

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, the geth are dead, the Citadel is gone, the fleets are wrecked, the leviathans are spreading control orbs around, the rachni and krogan rebels are preparing for a war, and the 'destroyed' Reapers let forth their husk virus.

Aside from the first point, the rest are all speculations. The Citadel one is even outright wrong. Thanks for sharing your headcanon and using it as evidence for your 'objective' evaluation of the situation.