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[GreyLycanTrope]

Auld Wulf wrote...
Objectively speaking, Destroy represents dark times ahead.

If they wanted to be any blunt, they should have named the endings: Synthesis, Control, Refuse, and You're All Completely Screwed.

I'm not a fan of any of the color coded options but there's nothing objective about the above viewpoint.

[Argolas]

Indy_S wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

So, the geth are dead, the Citadel is gone, the fleets are wrecked, the leviathans are spreading control orbs around, the rachni and krogan rebels are preparing for a war, and the 'destroyed' Reapers let forth their husk virus.

Aside from the first point, the rest are all speculations. The Citadel one is even outright wrong. Thanks for sharing your headcanon and using it as evidence for your 'objective' evaluation of the situation.

The Rachni and Krogan parts are objectively wrong as well, at least for as long as the galaxy takes to rebuild everything. The Reaper parts are objectively wrong as well since we see them all die and none are in the slides anymore (as opposed to the other two endings).

[jkflipflopDAO]

 The Krogan rebel. . .


. . . until the Levithans show up and use them as slaves.

[Oransel]

Council races would simply not allow krogans to have battleships (civilian ships are ok) and limit planets allowed to settling, either it's Wreave or Wrex if the genophage is actually cured, no matter what contribution was made. This solution is the most reasonable.

[Auld Wulf]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

 The Krogan rebel. . .

. . . until the Levithans show up and use them as slaves.

They could be rebelling because they already are slaves. They'd be a pretty great distraction for the Leviathans who're still setting up. As resources or no, they are still krogan. They would make for fantastic strategic pawns, and with the galaxy in the ****ty state it is post-Destroy, they could earn the krgonslaves just enough trust before making them go insane - nasty krogan timebombs.

The post-Destroy apocalyptic hellhole that would occur... not somewhere I want to be.

[MassStorm]

LOL that is why Krogans are always down in my story-arc. My canon Shepard never supported curing genophage thus i sided with the Salarians every time.

[Auld Wulf]

Argolas wrote...

The Reaper parts are objectively wrong as well since we see them all die and none are in the slides anymore (as opposed to the other two endings).

Always funny and satisfying to see my revelations disturb Destroy fans so badly that they have to stoop to really low levels of intellectual dishonesty to fool themselves.

Destroy fans say: The Reapers cannot be trusted. That's why we destroy them.
Destroy fans now say: Of course the Reapers can be trusted! They said they made themselves go boom and we no longer see them flying around. So their dextroy button was canon. Right? Right??

Well make up your mind! Are they devious enough to lie or not? If they can't lie, then they can't about Control or Synthesis either. Come on! Which is it? Hmmm?

Anyone else finding this as funny as me?

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 26 février 2013 - 10:13 .

[Indy_S]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Argolas wrote...

The Reaper parts are objectively wrong as well since we see them all die and none are in the slides anymore (as opposed to the other two endings).

Always funny and satisfying to see my revelations disturb Destroy fans so badly that they have to stoop to really low levels of intellectual dishonesty to fool themselves.

Destroy fans say: The Reapers cannot be trusted. That's why we destroy them.
Destroy fans now say: Of course the Reapers can be trusted! They said they made themselves go boom and we no longer see them flying around. So their dextroy button was canon. Right? Right??

Well make up your mind! Are they devious enough to lie or not? If they can't lie, then they can't about Control or Synthesis either. Come on! Which is it? Hmmm?

Anyone else finding this as funny as me?

Overall, I agree with you on this issue. I believe the writers intended for us to take the choices at face value. It still makes your theory of 'indoctrinating corpses' impossible, though. And you didn't address the fact that all of your arguments were headcanon.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Then my Shepard proceeds to stomp them out of existance with her big freaking Reaper army. Who's laughing now, Wreav ?

[Galbrant]

I hope Wreav isn't that stupid, He'll have to take on the Rachni along with the rest of the known galaxy. Hopefully by then we'll have Kirrahe eliminate him and either let Eve or another level headed Krogan take over that has common sense to adopt birth laws like the Quarians and Salarians to reduce their insane birth rates. They should be reasonable enough to know that the galaxy can't support a large Krogan population. Once they're population gets stable have a one child law for the time being. It's certainly better than having to sort through a thousand stillborn ones.

Well anyway they're some reasonable Krogans out there I'm sure Grunt would oblige.

[Massa FX]

Krogan are doomed to fail without Wrex and Eve's guidance. They can't be on a ship together without taking drugs to calm down and prevent them from killing each other.

Krogan are not a threat. Sure they almost took out the Turians once and they were good soldiers against racchni but they are... too disorganized and bent on fighting each other these days.

[Wulfram]

The most dangerous Krogan rebellion would probably be just after the war when the relays are still destroyed and they're more or less the most powerful of the land armies stuck on Earth. If they caused the trouble then, things could get awkward.

I mean, the surviving fleets could blast them from space, but we'd probably rather not blow up the planet even more.

And similar situations could apply on other worlds with large Krogan forces - with no way to get home, they're quite likely to decide that they might as well take over the world they're on while they wait.

[bleetman]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Argolas wrote...

The Reaper parts are objectively wrong as well since we see them all die and none are in the slides anymore (as opposed to the other two endings).

Always funny and satisfying to see my revelations disturb Destroy fans so badly that they have to stoop to really low levels of intellectual dishonesty to fool themselves.

Destroy fans say: The Reapers cannot be trusted. That's why we destroy them.
Destroy fans now say: Of course the Reapers can be trusted! They said they made themselves go boom and we no longer see them flying around. So their dextroy button was canon. Right? Right??

Well make up your mind! Are they devious enough to lie or not? If they can't lie, then they can't about Control or Synthesis either. Come on! Which is it? Hmmm?

Anyone else finding this as funny as me?

He didn't say he trusted the Reapers. He said he trusted the epilogue slides. Which, as noted, are completely devoid of anything Reaper-y.

Stop parading your headcanon around as fact. There's nothing to suggest what you're suggesting actually happens.

Modifié par bleetman, 26 février 2013 - 01:26 .

[Jassu1979]

Wreav is a megalomaniacal dictator in the making, but I doubt that the krogans would be able to truly stir up trouble - not when Shepard is around in any form.

- After Destroy, Shepard would help to de-throne Wreav, and then find more sensible leaders among the krogan (or probably exterminate the whole race if she's a psychotic renegade a-hole).

-After Control, the Reaper fleet would make sure that the krogans do not get out of hand (again, with genocide a potential choice for psychotic renegade Shep).

- And after Synthesis, everybody's apparently "uplifted" to post-singularity status, rendering armed conflict a primitive anachronism.

[Addictress]

justafan wrote...

I say let them rebel. After millennia of the genophage, it is understandable that they are a little pissed off at the council. Humanity will be spared thanks to Shepard's involvement in curing the genophage building good will towards humananity, whom the krogan would have no interest in fighting, and it would mostly be them vs. Turians and Salarians.

When the Turians and Salarians come to the Alliance for help, the human ambassador should kindly remind them of Eden Prime and the Collector attacks on human colonies, and remind the council that since human worlds haven't been attacked, this is purely a Salarian/Turian problem. The Alliance should only step in to negotiate peace or prevent the genocide of the losing side.  I also think that any attempt at genocide would draw in the now formidable Quarian/Geth fleet(s) to the defenders, since I doubt they would take kindly to genocide given their history, which should prove a formidable deterrent to the total wars of the past.

This is assuming Shepard chose destroy and the Krogan have enough time before the relays are prepared to repopulate and build infrastructure and ships so they won't be steamrolled by whatever remains of the Turian fleet.  I still think the remnants of the council would prevail, but it would be at quite the cost.

I like this post

[Argolas]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Argolas wrote...

The Reaper parts are objectively wrong as well since we see them all die and none are in the slides anymore (as opposed to the other two endings).

Always funny and satisfying to see my revelations disturb Destroy fans so badly that they have to stoop to really low levels of intellectual dishonesty to fool themselves.

Destroy fans say: The Reapers cannot be trusted. That's why we destroy them.
Destroy fans now say: Of course the Reapers can be trusted! They said they made themselves go boom and we no longer see them flying around. So their dextroy button was canon. Right? Right??

Well make up your mind! Are they devious enough to lie or not? If they can't lie, then they can't about Control or Synthesis either. Come on! Which is it? Hmmm?

Anyone else finding this as funny as me?

I don't believe the Catalyst is lying. As said above, the Destroy slides prove that Earth, the Citadel and the Relays are rebuilt and that everyone is able to go home in peace, so there won't be anything bad happening at least until then. This means that the Reapers and husks are either no damage at all anymore or could be dealt with.

You know, if someone thinks that reducing a few million people to paste and pumping them into a giant robot while killing all other members of the same species, or wiping out species altogether because their genes do not fit is doing them a favour, I question the judgement of that person (or thing in that case). Saying that the Catalyst does not lie doesn't mean it is right.

Modifié par Argolas, 26 février 2013 - 02:47 .

[saracen16]

Slappy Ya Face wrote...

For the sake of an interesting discussion, we'll use the example of a playthrough where the genophage ahs been cured, but Wrex and Eve are dead. Obviously the Krogan are primed for another war. If we also assume that everything else has been done "right" in terms of races saved and war assets gathered, how do you think the resulting krogan war would play out with your favorite ending taken into account? This of course includes the possibilities of Shepard surviving for destroy, or even controlling the reapers.

If Wrex died on Virmire, I'd think the Krogan would rebel with Wreav at the helm. If Eve was still alive, she might keep his urges in check. Say she doesn't.
- If the genophage is cured, the Krogan will take over the galaxy.
- If the genophage isn't cured, then the Krogan will rebel but die off within a few generations.

If Wrex died in ME3 as a result of your manipulations...
- If Eve is alive, there might still be some hope, or she'll order vengeance wreaked upon the galaxy.
- If Eve is dead, then there is no hope.

That's what I think might happen.

[Argolas]

How do you take over the galaxy without warships? Once again, every Krogan invasion could be blown out of the sky before they can even land on a foreign world.

[Galbrant]

Argolas wrote...

How do you take over the galaxy without warships? Once again, every Krogan invasion could be blown out of the sky before they can even land on a foreign world.

I always keep forgetting that detail.

[MegaSovereign]

Argolas wrote...

How do you take over the galaxy without warships? Once again, every Krogan invasion could be blown out of the sky before they can even land on a foreign world.

Well, with a population explosion they'll eventually want to colonize other worlds and to do this they'll probably start building ships. I don't think there would be immediate conflict with the Krogan but expansion will potentially cause issues in the future.

[Argolas]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Argolas wrote...

How do you take over the galaxy without warships? Once again, every Krogan invasion could be blown out of the sky before they can even land on a foreign world.

Well, with a population explosion they'll eventually want to colonize other worlds and to do this they'll probably start building ships. I don't think there would be immediate conflict with the Krogan but expansion will potentially cause issues in the future.

If the Council allows the Krogan to build warships again, they will have to be bound to a limit, maybe in a new version of the Treaty of Farixen. Their fleets would still be inferior to those of the other races.

[Logos77]

I just don't quite see the Turians only planting one bomb... I think they are far more careful than just relying on one...

[FlyingSquirrel]

The krogan might have access to *some* ships when the war is over just because they've been transported to other worlds that do have them - principally Palaven and Earth. They'd have to steal them, I suppose, but they could probably grab a few amidst all the chaos of the war having just ended and everyone being preoccupied with helping the surviving civilians.

However, could they gather enough to pose a serious threat? I kind of doubt it, if only because the ship-owning races are probably going to be trying to get to their colonies and/or use the ships to make deliveries. So it's not like there would just be huge unguarded shipyards where the krogan could just march right in and take over. The only other thing they might be able to do, if there are enough females among the off-world krogan groups, would be to start reproducing quickly enough to cause trouble on other planets and demand ships or weaponry as concessions. Otherwise, a mass breeding effort isn't going to make much difference if they're mostly stuck on Tuchanka.

And as others have said, if this is a Control scenario, then Shepard-AI and the Reapers could easily step in to prevent an all-out war, even if we're dealing with a relatively restrained Paragon Shepard-AI.

[mr.brightside4u]

If you choose Destroy the council-races would probably just make another genophage and Shepard would get his ass kicked for curing it in the first place. Control would lead into every krogan being dead and Synthesis.... well maybe they wouldn't even start another rebellion with Synthesis....

[jumpingkaede]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The war never gets off the ground.

Quite literally.

They need ships, basically, which they don't have. On the surface they're lethal, with high numbers and freakish durability and strength, but that counts for nothing in orbit.

This raises a question as to how the Krogan Rebellions succeeded in the first place.

The Krogan advantages: durability, numbers, etc. count for nothing in space combat.

If anything, they should've been at a massive disadvantage to the Council Races at the time.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 26 février 2013 - 04:53 .