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[Mr.House]

jumpingkaede wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The war never gets off the ground.

Quite literally.

They need ships, basically, which they don't have. On the surface they're lethal, with high numbers and freakish durability and strength, but that counts for nothing in orbit.

This raises a question as to how the Krogan Rebellions succeeded in the first place.

The Krogan advantages: durability, numbers, etc. count for nothing in space combat.

If anything, they should've been at a massive disadvantage to the Council Races at the time.

Because the krogan did have ships, Wrex explains this during the quest to get his famillys armor in ME. Once the Rebellions where finished, the krogan had to give up their ships, armor and weapons. While the krogan still have their armor and weapons, they still lack ships and rely on outsider transportation.

[jumpingkaede]

Mr.House wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The war never gets off the ground.

Quite literally.

They need ships, basically, which they don't have. On the surface they're lethal, with high numbers and freakish durability and strength, but that counts for nothing in orbit.

This raises a question as to how the Krogan Rebellions succeeded in the first place.

The Krogan advantages: durability, numbers, etc. count for nothing in space combat.

If anything, they should've been at a massive disadvantage to the Council Races at the time.

Because the krogan did have ships, Wrex explains this during the quest to get his famillys armor in ME. Once the Rebellions where finished, the krogan had to give up their ships, armor and weapons. While the krogan still have their armor and weapons, they still lack ships and rely on outsider transportation.

Presumably primarily transportation ships, yes?

And not, say, fighter ships on par with the Turians, Asari, Salarians, etc.?

Why would an uplifted Krogan ship be superior to a Turian ship?

I know the Krogan had ships.  I'm questioning/wondering why the Krogan ships would've allowd them to somehow become such a major threat to the galaxy.  More Krogans (by virtue of their high birth rate) does not equal more ships... given the limited resources on Tuchanka which motivated the Krogan expansion in the first place.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 26 février 2013 - 05:18 .

[Brhino]

There's plenty of pirates, mercenaries, and general shady characters in the galaxy that would be willing to transport a load of Krogan or part with a ship for the right price. I can see them getting around with old cargo ships, making surprise landings on populated planets, that sort of thing. Not saying they'd win... probably the council races would be strong enough to stop them before they got too out of hand.

In spite of Auld Wulf's claims, the high-EMS Destroy ending, as of the extended cut, shows peaceful returns for characters to their home planets, and the earth and the citadel rebuilt in shimmering splendor. I'd say it's 'canon' for that particular ending that there is peace at least long enough for everything to get rebuild as good or better than it was before.

Modifié par Brhino, 26 février 2013 - 05:29 .

[shodiswe]

Shepard beign alive or dead will be irrelevant since any Krogan wars wont happen until Shepard is either dead from the ending or by ripe old age.

So ditching Shepards "possible" influence in the scenario. I would say they would stand the best chance conquering the galaxy where we sued destroy, seeing as that removes the Geth who might have an interest in stopping an agressive expansionistic race, thoguh I doubt the Geth who are at the far corner of the galaxy away from the Krogan would be that eager to put themselves in harms way.

But, seeing as destroy weakens everyone and the KRogan were already weak and had the least to loose seeing as their civilization is mostly rubble and they would have to rebuild anyway.. They loose the least from the destroy wave.
However, the destruction of their relay might stop their expansion unless they get help rebuilding it.
They arn't a scientific species and building relays probably won't come with ease to them. So destroy would probably leave them stranded to die like the Drell did on their original homeworld unless they find a nearby collony to colonize, that might sustain them for a short run..
Grunt probably doesn't share the ideals of his father who prefered quality over numbers... But who knows, maybe the concept grows on him and he will gain political pwoer over time and find ways to regulate the threat of a Krogan overpopulation by requering every krogan to defeat a treshermaw or die.... 98% deathrates....

In a Control galaxy it would be possible for them to start an armsrace and attack others, but we don't know the stance of AI shepard, woudl AI sheparf intervene, thinking it's a thrat to the many or just simple everyday political discourse and evolution.
Control would however reconect every species and empire in the galaxy meening that if the Krogans attack they would likely get into a war with more than one singular species, even if AI shepard doesn't involve itself..

Modifié par shodiswe, 26 février 2013 - 05:36 .

[nrobbiec]

The Krogan do still have ships, there's specifically a Krogan ship when you hold the war summit. They have no warships. Hence their space being the Krogan Demilitarised Zone. It's not like the Yahg blockade.

Modifié par nrobbiec, 26 février 2013 - 05:47 .

[Maxster_]

Argolas wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Argolas wrote...

How do you take over the galaxy without warships? Once again, every Krogan invasion could be blown out of the sky before they can even land on a foreign world.

Well, with a population explosion they'll eventually want to colonize other worlds and to do this they'll probably start building ships. I don't think there would be immediate conflict with the Krogan but expansion will potentially cause issues in the future.

If the Council allows the Krogan to build warships again, they will have to be bound to a limit, maybe in a new version of the Treaty of Farixen. Their fleets would still be inferior to those of the other races.

If krogans will be allowed to get Council associate status, they will be already bound by existing treaty. And there will be 5+3+3+3 to 1 ratio on dreadnoughts.
If not - their current status remains the same, and thus they will not be allowed to even start building space industry.
With irrational hatred from asari and salarians, first is almost impossible.
So, they will never be a threat.

[Maxster_]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

The war never gets off the ground.

Quite literally.

They need ships, basically, which they don't have. On the surface they're lethal, with high numbers and freakish durability and strength, but that counts for nothing in orbit.

This raises a question as to how the Krogan Rebellions succeeded in the first place.

The Krogan advantages: durability, numbers, etc. count for nothing in space combat.

If anything, they should've been at a massive disadvantage to the Council Races at the time.

Because the krogan did have ships, Wrex explains this during the quest to get his famillys armor in ME. Once the Rebellions where finished, the krogan had to give up their ships, armor and weapons. While the krogan still have their armor and weapons, they still lack ships and rely on outsider transportation.

Presumably primarily transportation ships, yes?

And not, say, fighter ships on par with the Turians, Asari, Salarians, etc.?

Why would an uplifted Krogan ship be superior to a Turian ship?

I know the Krogan had ships.  I'm questioning/wondering why the Krogan ships would've allowd them to somehow become such a major threat to the galaxy.  More Krogans (by virtue of their high birth rate) does not equal more ships... given the limited resources on Tuchanka which motivated the Krogan expansion in the first place.

Salarians and asari built space industry and ships for them at start, then uplifted krogans building for themselves, having a industrial potential and space industry.
There were several centuries between Rachni wars and rebellions.