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[Subject M]

>CronoDragoon

All things have their appropriate place and time. Side quest are of course a good thing if they make sense, but I am not going to endorse sloppy or downright bizarre quest and story design.

OK/Good side quest:

"it will be some time before we can mount an attack on the castle, so if you have some finishing up stuff to do, now is the time..

-Yeah I am going to investigate the that old house on the other side of the forest.


Not OK/Bad side quest:

"Hey, people are dying in drowns assaulting the castle! We need your spells to blast a whole in that wall or our troops are dead! Get down there!

- Nah, perhaps later, I am of to investigate that old house on the other side of the forest. Have a nice day.

Modifié par Subject M, 28 février 2013 - 12:25 .

[SyK18]

Kais Endac wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

Again, i can't really understand this pov, since Shepard has gotten a lot of R&R throughout the whole game. There is no need for fans to pay for something as character interaction. 

On the topic of the lul, i seemed to misunderstand at first. But even with the example you gave i disagree. True that they have to regroup, but regroup to strategize not kickback and relax while millions die. 

It just seem so trivial to ask for more character interaction in a game that can offer so much more.

Hey if they have forced Destoyers to be left with their imagintion regarding Shepard's fate, why not more LI fans.

Yea but I said fall back and regroup and yes it will be to stratagise, but the fleet will also resuply etc. I never meant that they would fall back just so people could relax, but the act in itself would allow people to be rotated out for new assignements (again there are a ton of them present on the citadel). This may be a galactic war but the soldiers are not always on the frontlines (unless they were stationed on planets like earth). Fresh people are rotated in while the older get restationed.

They are not kicking back while millions die, but as a soldier they really have limited options in what they can do while they wait for reassignment or redeployment to a new warzone. Yes they could volunteer to help at the clinics or help out around the citadel but these people are deployed into hellish warzones fighting against what could be former friends I really don't see the problem with them relaxing. 

You keep repeating that millions are dying, and they are but these men and women are already doing all they can to stop a menace that doesn't sleep, tire or have mercy. If I were to get on anyones case it would be those seen around the citadel that are not doing anything to support the war effort.

It's the same for Shepard but he is just one man with the weight and fate of the galaxy on his shoulders, so yes while he goes out to buy his model ships/fish or simply meets up with his friends on the citadel people are dying. but he is just human (and one that is sent into some of the harshest warzones and having intense dreams brought on by his guilt/fatigue), again I don't really see the problem in him relaxing on the citadel. 

Edit: I'm mostly indifferent to what people have been demanding, for me as long as the dlc is worth while I won't complain.

You make good arguments thoughand tbh I'm not really sure that I wanted more R&R in a dlc, but I guess I will just have to wait and see if the main story of the dlc is any good.

I guess I sound more like "no leisure time at all, strategize, hepl, fight Reapers only". But what i really am trying to get to is that that stuff is already in the game. Yes it's optional and so is this DLC. But do we really need more of R&R time? and should we pay for it? And i think you agree on that point with me. 

You have great points as well.

I'm on the same pageconcerning the dlc, I just want to know what the mission entails and if a $15 pricetag is really worth it. The way I see it, my $15 should go for the mission and the LI stuff should be an extra bonus. The LI stuff should not be the driving point for the dlc, but apparently a lot of people are demanding more character R&R.

[CronoDragoon]

Subject M wrote...

>CronoDragoon

All things have their appropriate place and time. Side quest are of course a good thing if they make sense, but I am not going to endorse sloppy or downright bizarre quest and story design.

I actually enjoy games that believe the opposite: I HATE missable content, and generally praise game design where quests don't have time limits; aka I can enjoy a game's story, and then reload my save right before the final boss and do all the side quests. If all games followed your line of thinking, games would be worse off.

Do you know why my line of thinking is better? Because it can please both types of people. Those who enjoy distractions from the main quest can go berserk on side content, while those who want to RP the time limit thing can just skip it.

So to bring this back to Mass Effect: if you don't like decorating an apartment because you can't help but RP the time limit, then don't do it. That piece of content isn't for you.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 28 février 2013 - 08:41 .

[Kais Endac]

SyK18 wrote...

I guess I sound more like "no leisure time at all, strategize, hepl, fight Reapers only". But what i really am trying to get to is that that stuff is already in the game. Yes it's optional and so is this DLC. But do we really need more of R&R time? and should we pay for it? And i think you agree on that point with me. 

You have great points as well.

I'm on the same pageconcerning the dlc, I just want to know what the mission entails and if a $15 pricetag is really worth it. The way I see it, my $15 should go for the mission and the LI stuff should be an extra bonus. The LI stuff should not be the driving point for the dlc, but apparently a lot of people are demanding more character R&R.

^ I'm in complete agreement with you here.

The dlc was rumoured to be split into two parts on the 360, so I'm hoping the main content is substantial and hopefully relevant enough to the main game to add to the lore/universe.

Modifié par Kais Endac, 28 février 2013 - 08:56 .

[CronoDragoon]

SyK18 wrote...
I'm on the same pageconcerning the dlc, I just want to know what the mission entails and if a $15 pricetag is really worth it. The way I see it, my $15 should go for the mission and the LI stuff should be an extra bonus. The LI stuff should not be the driving point for the dlc, but apparently a lot of people are demanding more character R&R.

It's sort of unfair to expect $15 of content besides the character stuff afterwards, since that costs money to make, too.

[NRieh]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind, you as the player (assuming you have finished the game) knows what happens to the Citadel and Shepard. At the point that Shepard gets the apartment in the DLC, that is still unknown to him/her.

Yeah, the only problem here is that it's me (PLAYER) who needs to find some good reason to buy DLC, not Shepard (which survived and was headcanoned even before EC hit).

If such content was in release - I could have had little to none problems, even with replays. Because on first spoiler-free play I could have felt same as Shepard (unaware, happy,sad, whatever). And know how it should be. But you, guys, saved it for DLC. And metagame can't just go away. You don't sell "unsee it" potions with your addons. I suppose that very little of your players base still had no first run. I envy them - they have a chance for "whole story" in a single timeline, not torn into bits, and more or less - with some common sense..

But that does looks like a middle finger to all those, who followed you during thins year.

[SyK18]

CronoDragoon wrote...

SyK18 wrote...
I'm on the same pageconcerning the dlc, I just want to know what the mission entails and if a $15 pricetag is really worth it. The way I see it, my $15 should go for the mission and the LI stuff should be an extra bonus. The LI stuff should not be the driving point for the dlc, but apparently a lot of people are demanding more character R&R.

It's sort of unfair to expect $15 of content besides the character stuff afterwards, since that costs money to make, too.

So its bad to be unfair to Bioware if I expect this, but its good if Bioware is unfair to the many fans that were dissapointed by ME 3?

I payed $80 for the CE because they had done an amazing job on the previous installments and ME 3 marketed great. Trailer made it look amazing and, I thought, gave a glimpse into the game, for that i was wrong. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised either, can i get my money back now? No. That's unfair.

I work hard to earn my money. I just don't spend it on anything, especally when concerning video games. ME 1 deserved my money. Me 2 deserved my money along with the dlc. ME 3 tricked me into paying them and basically stole my money. At this point Bioware needs to earn my money. 

[SilentK]

Well, if one does not want their Shepard to relax a bit before the final battle then play the dlc early in the game.

Shepard already meets with Aria and Joker in the bar. Goes dancing with Jack and shares a drink with Steve. Throwing one night in a casino in the middle of that feels ok for me. You don't have to wait until after sanctuary to do it. Personally I finish up the game quickly after Thessia but prior to that I see no problem with Shepard getting one night off, it's a long war.

Do it straight after Rannoch perhaps, you still have to go back to the Citadel to talk with the asari councillor to get the Thessia mission. Besides downing a reaper on fot could maybe earn you a few hrs r&r for one evening. I know my Shepard will get her crew together and celebrate.

Guesswork until I have played it but I will try then and see how it fits the story.

[SpamBot2000]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind, you as the player (assuming you have finished the game) knows what happens to the Citadel and Shepard. At the point that Shepard gets the apartment in the DLC, that is still unknown to him/her.

Hey, maybe Shepard at that point can purchase the DLC. Cos the player's not gonna.

[CronoDragoon]

SyK18 wrote...

So its bad to be unfair to Bioware if I expect this, but its good if Bioware is unfair to the many fans that were dissapointed by ME 3?

I payed $80 for the CE because they had done an amazing job on the previous installments and ME 3 marketed great. Trailer made it look amazing and, I thought, gave a glimpse into the game, for that i was wrong. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised either, can i get my money back now? No. That's unfair.

I work hard to earn my money. I just don't spend it on anything, especally when concerning video games. ME 1 deserved my money. Me 2 deserved my money along with the dlc. ME 3 tricked me into paying them and basically stole my money. At this point Bioware needs to earn my money. 

The fact is that BioWare did not steal your money, and you not liking a game does not mean they owe you. Next time you go see a movie and don't like it, feel free to demand your money back and get laughed at.

[rev1976]

CronoDragoon wrote...

SyK18 wrote...

So its bad to be unfair to Bioware if I expect this, but its good if Bioware is unfair to the many fans that were dissapointed by ME 3?

I payed $80 for the CE because they had done an amazing job on the previous installments and ME 3 marketed great. Trailer made it look amazing and, I thought, gave a glimpse into the game, for that i was wrong. Bioware did not deliver on what they promised either, can i get my money back now? No. That's unfair.

I work hard to earn my money. I just don't spend it on anything, especally when concerning video games. ME 1 deserved my money. Me 2 deserved my money along with the dlc. ME 3 tricked me into paying them and basically stole my money. At this point Bioware needs to earn my money. 

The fact is that BioWare did not steal your money, and you not liking a game does not mean they owe you. Next time you go see a movie and don't like it, feel free to demand your money back and get laughed at.

i would agree with you if it werent for the fact Bioware blatently lied about the game content prior to release (and after it had gone gold so they cant use the excuse "things change")
so im with syk - they lied to get our money - thats fraud and yes that is a catagory of theft.
if your pleased with what you got - more power to you, im glad you enjoyed it.
but dont expect those who bought the game based on deceptive marketing practices to feel the same way.
i am aware of several people who claimed a full refund - and recieved it, after completing the game. they were not laughed at because under UK law at least you are entitled to recompense if what you are sold does not match the description.

Modifié par rev1976, 01 mars 2013 - 04:50 .

[CronoDragoon]

rev1976 wrote...

i would agree with you if it werent for the fact Bioware blatently lied about the game content prior to release (and after it had gone gold so they cant use the excuse "things change")
so im with syk - they lied to get our money - thats fraud and yes that is a catagory of theft.
if your pleased with what you got - more power to you, im glad you enjoyed it.
but dont expect those who bought the game based on deceptive marketing practices to feel the same way.

Take them to court, then, and see if your categorization of theft holds up.

[rev1976]

was editing as you replied actually - you might wanna read the rest.

[CronoDragoon]

rev1976 wrote...

was editing as you replied actually - you might wanna read the rest.

That's not theft, though. If you want to claim false marketing then I won't really fight you, since a few of their marketing claims are dubious indeed.

[rev1976]

and those marketing claims amount to fraudulent advertising - note the word "fraud"
which is exactly why amazon and origin both offered full refunds to those dissatisfied with their purchase, so they wouldnt have to go to court and be ruled against.

fraud = theft by deception

Modifié par rev1976, 01 mars 2013 - 05:01 .

[CronoDragoon]

rev1976 wrote...

and those marketing claims amount to fraudulent advertising - note the word "fraud"
which is exactly why amazon and origin both offered full refunds to those dissatisfied with their purchase, so they wouldnt have to go to court and be ruled against.

I doubt they would have been ruled against. Both of the dubious claims marketing-wise can be construed as true (no ABC ending, rachni huge effect) while needing MP for Shepard breath scene was patched.

[rev1976]

depends on the judge and how the arguments are worded
but since nobody took court action we'll never know

[SyK18]

BTW i just looked at the achievments and it looks disappointing. The only thing that caught my attention was the "Team Player" but something is telling me its not going to be anything like the SM.

Is there hope for this DLC?

[AlanC9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

So to bring this back to Mass Effect: if you don't like decorating an apartment because you can't help but RP the time limit, then don't do it. That piece of content isn't for you.

How can Shepard RP the ME3 time limit, anyway? The Crucible needs several months to get built , and apparently time only passes in ME3 when you do a priority mission.

[AlanC9]

rev1976 wrote...


i would agree with you if it werent for the fact Bioware blatently lied about the game content prior to release (and after it had gone gold so they cant use the excuse "things change")

What were these "blatant lies," anyway? Most of the time some here cites a supposed lie from Bio it's either something the poster misinterpreted, something that's too vague to either be true or false, or something Bio  never actually said.