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[Nerevar-as]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand your asking.

Post. Evidience , that . he. Shepard. or she. is alive in non high-Destroy ending. and that he/she is in the Citadel. that has been destroyed anyway.

Non-high Destroy? You mean below 3100 EMS? Yes, he's dead. Confirmed by plaque.

And saying Shepard is on Earth without any real evidence supporting such is stupid. The last place we see him is on the Citadel, and the rubble around Shepard could easily be from the damage that the Citadel took.

You're just saying he's on Earth for the sake of the "the ending doesn't make sense" argument.

No, i mean below 100.000, an army of multiplayer characters behind you and still you can't win, ****
If you had read my post you would see how i told it doesn't make sense in both situations

Then it fits with the rest of the ending, so no problem there.

[RedBeardJim]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind, you as the player (assuming you have finished the game) knows what happens to the Citadel and Shepard. At the point that Shepard gets the apartment in the DLC, that is still unknown to him/her.

When Shepard ponies up the cash for the DLC, this will be a useful thing to keep in mind.

[MegaSovereign]

archangel1996 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

archangel1996 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I don't understand your asking.

Post. Evidience , that . he. Shepard. or she. is alive in non high-Destroy ending. and that he/she is in the Citadel. that has been destroyed anyway.

Non-high Destroy? You mean below 3100 EMS? Yes, he's dead. Confirmed by plaque.

And saying Shepard is on Earth without any real evidence supporting such is stupid. The last place we see him is on the Citadel, and the rubble around Shepard could easily be from the damage that the Citadel took.

You're just saying he's on Earth for the sake of the "the ending doesn't make sense" argument.

No, i mean below 100.000, an army of multiplayer characters behind you and still you can't win, ****
If you had read my post you would see how i told it doesn't make sense in both situations

You don't lose in the high EMS ending. I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

[clarkusdarkus]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

clarkusdarkus wrote...

But in this case, gets blown up.

Please post evidence that it gets blown up in the ending.

The citadel gets blown up in all of the endings, your apartment is on the citadel i believe?

In Control the thing just closes, no explosions whatsoever.

i choose destroy so what then..

[Pelle6666]

Because you choose the red EC ending with all assets!

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

I hope staff members aren't getting a skewed perspective of why the endings upset people based on people shilling MEHEM like they do. There are a half-dozen or so solid, simple, genuine reasons why the ending was a failure to a great deal of people, but a lot of what I see on the forum is just nonsense.

Hey, I actually completely agree with David about something.  Damn. 

[archangel1996]

MegaSovereign wrote...

You don't lose in the high EMS ending. I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

Nothing, sorry, i don't know why i bother....

Modifié par archangel1996, 25 février 2013 - 11:56 .

[David7204]

Hmm...I wonder if we would agree on the actual reasons?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Chris Priestly wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...
Chris, some people have said that this kind of attitude works in movies, but not when you are actually playing the game, because we are Shepard, therefore Shepard does in a way know. Can you silence that question once and for all?

I doubt it. I understand those players who feel this way as it is hard to "unknow" what you know. Still, if you believe that Shepard has a personality and the role-playing aspect of the character, you should understand that Shepard does not know his/her fate or the fate of the Citadel while they are playing the game.

Even though its a cool idea, keep in mind that it still leaves a bad taste in the mouths of people who didn't want shepard to die.

So next time you guys make a game, please give us (the players) more control over our character's life and death situations. In RPGs, we don't like it when we can't alter a forced scenario through the choices that we make. Especially if it happens to decide the fate of the main protagonist.

[spirosz]

Metagaming.

[BaneForever]

 It would be nice if they showed Shepard and their LI in the apartment in a slide. If you chose destroy and had a high ems. But it probably won't happen.

[Codename_Code]

I hope the twist is coming, because a place to settle - R&R - celebrate - drink - casino in the climax of the freaking reaper war... I refuse to accept Bio-ware went nonsensical in such a lunatic way.

[Nerevar-as]

Codename_Code wrote...

I hope the twist is coming, because a place to settle - R&R - celebrate - drink - casino in the climax of the freaking reaper war... I refuse to accept Bio-ware went nonsensical in such a lunatic way.

You and most people who played the game. But let´s assume it, they did.

[Dr_Extrem]

dreamgazer wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I hope staff members aren't getting a skewed perspective of why the endings upset people based on people shilling MEHEM like they do. There are a half-dozen or so solid, simple, genuine reasons why the ending was a failure to a great deal of people, but a lot of what I see on the forum is just nonsense.

Hey, I actually completely agree with David about something.  Damn. 

fixing something and making it bearable are two different pair of shoes.

nothing withing the power of the modding community, can fix the flaws of the endings - but you can make it at least emotionally bearable and cut out the worst parts.

mehem is not really a fix - its a band aid - but imho, a good one. it fixes the emotional side of the endings ... the narrative was "problematic" before the endings ... the endings are only the most obvious ones.


since bioware made it perfectly clear that they will not change or add anything to the endings, we either have to accept the current endings in all their glory or shape something new and different. one thing is clear - bioware sees this game as "finished".


on mehem compatibility: 

at first, mehem was not compatible with leviathan as well - this was fixed within a day ot two. if the citadel dlc does not change the endings at all (like omega), nothing will affect the mod.

[spirosz]

Codename_Code wrote...

I hope the twist is coming, because a place to settle - R&R - celebrate - drink - casino in the climax of the freaking reaper war... I refuse to accept Bio-ware went nonsensical in such a lunatic way.

You do realize that this is a story DLC as well?

[archangel1996]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Codename_Code wrote...

I hope the twist is coming, because a place to settle - R&R - celebrate - drink - casino in the climax of the freaking reaper war... I refuse to accept Bio-ware went nonsensical in such a lunatic way.

You and most people who played the game. But let´s assume it, they did.

****, you ask for more time with the buddies and LI, that maybe just maybe should have been in the game, they give it to you for, how much? 1200 MP, and you still complain?
Afterall, we all know you will buy it....

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 février 2013 - 12:09 .

[jijeebo]

BaneForever wrote...

 It would be nice if they showed Shepard and their LI in the apartment in a slide. If you chose destroy and had a high ems. But it probably won't happen.

That would be pretty shamazeballs, shame it can't happen... Some rule about DLCs not being allowed to alter other DLCs or something.

It's a real shame, because slides detailing the Leviathan and Arias post-ending activities would've been pretty cool as well.

[Fawx9]

David7204 wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

DanHarbinger wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I hope staff members aren't getting a skewed perspective of why the endings upset people based on people shilling MEHEM like they do. There are a half-dozen or so solid, simple, genuine reasons why the ending was a failure to a great deal of people, but a lot of what I see on the forum is just nonsense.

YES!

Give me current Destroy with the MEHEM reunion and I'm happily placated(This does not mean I find the ending to be a work of art). That litterally changes nothing with destroy and really should have been like that from day 1. 

That's all MEHEM really gives, an actual extended breath scene. Everything thing else is addons that you decide yourself.

Yes. And that's a problem, for several reasons.

First, and most simply, is that the implication is that the biggest problem with the endings is the lack of a happy conclusion. And that isn't true.

The second problem is an offshoot of that. It basically makes fans look bad. Because if the biggest problem is the lack of a happy ending, it tends to demonstate that they're just shallow crybabies who can't handle a mature ending. That's complete nonsense, of course - fans have a valid reason to be upset, although few of them understand those reasons. But the implication is there.

No it would imply not giving proper closure to for Destroy fans is a big part. Any scene that isn't the rubble scene could pull it off better. Look at the third Jason Bourne movie. All that had was a guy swimming away in a lake and yet it conveys more closure than the current ending.

As I said this placates me. It in no way actually comes off as I say would be good. If they are hell bent on not 'changing' the endings this would be how.

[archangel1996]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

the problem with MEHEM is that it is just an illusion, the problem is not Shep survive YAY the problem is the ending, da casper, dah Super Weapon that feed itself with War Assets

Sorry for the cut, i don't want to take too much space

Modifié par archangel1996, 26 février 2013 - 12:12 .

[CronoDragoon]

Fawx9 wrote...
No it would imply not giving proper closure to for Destroy fans is a big part. Any scene that isn't the rubble scene could pull it off better. Look at the third Jason Bourne movie. All that had was a guy swimming away in a lake and yet it conveys more closure than the current ending.

As I said this placates me. It in no way actually comes off as I say would be good. If they are hell bent on not 'changing' the endings this would be how.

Prove that Jason Bourne doesn't drown after that scene.

[Applepie_Svk]

Chris Priestly wrote...

arial wrote...

So Shepard can enjoy the days he has remaining?

........

Liara: My homeworld need help Shepard...
Tali: So as mine...
Wrex: And I would like to get a cure for genophage.
Garruss: And what about Palaven ?
VS: Earth needs help too...

Shepard: F*ck this... do it by yourself... I am done with helping you, going to enjoy my new furniture in my new apartment and going to get a drunk in Casino while I´ll play poker... F*CK all the effort I would die anyway.


after 24 hours of gameplay in casino came game over because reapers pulled Citadel to Earth while Shepard get his last flash ...
- - - - - - - - - - -

Stargazer:....so they fought war that we woudln´t have to...
Child: Is it realy happened ?
Stargazer: Yes, sweetie but it was loooong ago...
Child: And what´s that red light out there ?
Bzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzz
Harbinger: I am your salvation throught destruction...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 26 février 2013 - 12:20 .

[Reorte]

David7204 wrote...

The second problem is an offshoot of that. It basically makes fans look bad. Because if the biggest problem is the lack of a happy ending, it tends to demonstate that they're just shallow crybabies who can't handle a mature ending. That's complete nonsense, of course - fans have a valid reason to be upset, although few of them understand those reasons. But the implication is there.

And.. you immediately make your self look foolish with the "mature ending" nonsense, unless there's something mature that's escaped me about enjoying contrived negatives.

[CronoDragoon]

clarkusdarkus wrote...
 i choose destroy so what then..

The pic I posted is from Destroy. The Citadel doesn't get blown up in any ending post-EC.

[archangel1996]

Reorte wrote...

David7204 wrote...

The second problem is an offshoot of that. It basically makes fans look bad. Because if the biggest problem is the lack of a happy ending, it tends to demonstate that they're just shallow crybabies who can't handle a mature ending. That's complete nonsense, of course - fans have a valid reason to be upset, although few of them understand those reasons. But the implication is there.

And.. you immediately make your self look foolish with the "mature ending" nonsense, unless there's something mature that's escaped me about enjoying contrived negatives.

I think he means " Everyone lives, no one dies"
Anyway, no i didn't and i don't want something like that

[Fawx9]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...
No it would imply not giving proper closure to for Destroy fans is a big part. Any scene that isn't the rubble scene could pull it off better. Look at the third Jason Bourne movie. All that had was a guy swimming away in a lake and yet it conveys more closure than the current ending.

As I said this placates me. It in no way actually comes off as I say would be good. If they are hell bent on not 'changing' the endings this would be how.

Prove that Jason Bourne doesn't drown after that scene.

Gun shot, but full range of body movement, rooftop was close to the shore, no reports of a body.

Compared to an almost lasered/explosioned body laying in rubble that only shows signs of being able to breath, as well as being stuck in a place that 0 other living people  know about.

I think he means " Everyone lives, no one dies"
Anyway, no i didn't and i don't want something like that

MEHEM doesn't do this.

Modifié par Fawx9, 26 février 2013 - 12:18 .