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[c00lgy24]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Ashley all the way. Maybe save Kaidan when you're playing as FemShep.

I play as fem shp most time I still save Ashley. 

You're pulling my leg aren't you?

 
 As a male I usually save Kaidan

[MadCat221]

Kaidan.

Ashley feels so... redundant, IMO. We already have a pure combat spec'd squaddie in Vega, but there is no other tech/biotic squadmate but Kaidan.

Modifié par MadCat221, 27 février 2013 - 06:49 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

c00lgy24 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Ashley all the way. Maybe save Kaidan when you're playing as FemShep.

I play as fem shp most time I still save Ashley. 

You're pulling my leg aren't you?

 
 As a male I usually save Kaidan

Stop it.

[WarGriffin]

I find it funny is that the attitude split is generally prefer Ashley for her more assertive Attitude to Kaidan's more cautious and reasonable apporach in ME1

In Me2 and Me3 however... Kaidan's more reasonable attitude is better recieved because he is at odds with Shepard while Ashley's is seen... well rather negatively because she is more upfront about it.

Granted I think the problem is Kaidan is clearly written to have come into his own in ME3 I always let Kaidan shot Spoilers so he comes full circle and like Garrus takes that final step to being his own person but allies with Shepard. Kaidan shows a more matured and harden persona but he is still the reasonable Sqaudmate who tries to keep his head on his shoulders. The type of Person you'd want in Real life as a squadmate -cause a squad full of daddy issues it's nice to talk to someone sane and who had a healthy relationship with his parents-


Ashley... Ashley clearly needs Shepard, Ashley is written s the hot soldier that wants you -or desires your personal approval - and is very pen about her frustations with you... to the point she'd willingly antagonize you in a stand off!

[Dabrikishaw]

I will never let Ashley into the sequels. Her dying on Virmire is both heroic enough to get her both the Salarian and Turian Medal of Honor, but lifts her families' reputation off the ground just as it would in 3, on top of giving her arc closure in my honest opinion.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I like kaiden because (if you end up losing tali on rannoch) you end up with one character of each specialty, more or less.

Garrus: Infiltrator
Kaiden: Sentinel
Edi: Engineer
Liara: Adept
Javik: Vanguard
James: Soldier

its as balanced as ME1 was

[Weltea]

bboynexus wrote...

 In preparation for 'Citadel', I am playing through Mass Effect 3 again. It's been a long time coming, but this is the first playthrough I've done where Kaidan survived on Virmire. Originally, I was under the impression that Ashley and Kaidan recieved the same amount of content each. They each have three scenes in Heurta Memorial, and they both have three scenes if they return to the Normandy (Kaidan has two on the Normandy and one on the Citadel, Ashley has one on the Normandy and two on the Citadel).

But during my playthrough, I've noticed some very noticeable differences in the treatment Kaidan recieved in comparison to Ashley. Kaidan has a tonne of ambient dialogue on the Normandy spread throughout the second half of the game, which is something I think Ashley almost completely lacks. She doesn't interact with anyone, whereas I've seen Kaidan speak to EDI over the intercom, play poker with James, and talk with Adams down in Engineering.
 
I'm starting to see why people feel Kaidan is more prominent in ME3 than Ashley. He provides way more flavor.

I don't think Kaidan has more dialogue, I just think his are more focussed on his relationships with the other people on the Normandy while Ash has more content about the people in her life.
My first reaction to Ash was actually that I felt she had more content (because she has a touching scene on the Citadel and even her gift and romance scene seem more tailored to her specifically and Kaidan has nothing like that). But I'd really think that they both have about the same amount of dialogue.
That it's spent differently just shows the differences in the characters better (Ash isn't very happy about Liara,Tali or Garrus in ME1 but her sisters/family is clearly very important to her so it makes sense that she'd have content connected to her family but not to them. Plus she obviously hangs out with James... And Kaidan has no idea if anyone from his life outside the Normandy is even stil alive and doesn't really hold grudges...)

[Zkyire]

Half my playthroughs have Ashley, half have Kaidan.

Though I do prefer Ashley.

[Urazz]

Weltea wrote...

I don't think Kaidan has more dialogue, I just think his are more focussed on his relationships with the other people on the Normandy while Ash has more content about the people in her life.
My first reaction to Ash was actually that I felt she had more content (because she has a touching scene on the Citadel and even her gift and romance scene seem more tailored to her specifically and Kaidan has nothing like that). But I'd really think that they both have about the same amount of dialogue.
That it's spent differently just shows the differences in the characters better (Ash isn't very happy about Liara,Tali or Garrus in ME1 but her sisters/family is clearly very important to her so it makes sense that she'd have content connected to her family but not to them. Plus she obviously hangs out with James... And Kaidan has no idea if anyone from his life outside the Normandy is even stil alive and doesn't really hold grudges...)

Exactly what I feel.  Kaidan interacts with the crew some more but seems pretty well developed as a character (he always has which does make him seem a bit boring).  Ashley has more character building moments for herself but doesn't interact with the crew nearly as much as Kaidan.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

I liked the bit where shepard makes fun of kaiden being kind of a dorky wienie at the cafe.

[Mentxi]

I really wanted to have both in party...

[rrtda]

I couldn't choose between them until I heard her make a comment about not being able to tell the citadel apart from a zoo. She is a xenophobe and a hipocrit. She goes on and on about humanity standing for themselves but then condemns you for joining cerberus. I'm never saving her again.

[Ice Cold J]

Icinix wrote...

Ashleys character suffered a bit in ME3.

Kaiden in ME3 seems to be a bit more real.

I agree.

I feel that writers were afraid to touch Ash's character the way they adapted Kaidan's.

Ash became more or less a whiny jarhead, while Kaidan was given more of a backstory and instances of interaction.

[Major Alenko]

I think because of my own inabilities when playing ME1 for the first time. I didn't have enough charm or intimidation to talk down Wrex.. So my main distinct memory of Ashley was her shooting Wrex up... who along with Kaidan were my A team in ME1. When given the choice then who to save it wasn't hard to choose. Her actions with Wrex fits her character perfectly and that's not the kind of person I want on my ship.
Also Kaidan's promotion to Major made sense.
Ashley's promotion from NCO to a Lieutenant Commander, does not.

[Battlebloodmage]

 It's obvious who I chose. Ashley's attitude annoys me. Plus, I'm not too fond of her class. I barely bring her with me on the missions, so it's pointless to keep her around. 

[Kunari801]

bboynexus wrote...

 In preparation for 'Citadel', I am playing through Mass Effect 3 again. It's been a long time coming, but this is the first playthrough I've done where Kaidan survived on Virmire. Originally, I was under the impression that Ashley and Kaidan recieved the same amount of content each. They each have three scenes in Heurta Memorial, and they both have three scenes if they return to the Normandy (Kaidan has two on the Normandy and one on the Citadel, Ashley has one on the Normandy and two on the Citadel).

But during my playthrough, I've noticed some very noticeable differences in the treatment Kaidan recieved in comparison to Ashley. Kaidan has a tonne of ambient dialogue on the Normandy spread throughout the second half of the game, which is something I think Ashley almost completely lacks. She doesn't interact with anyone, whereas I've seen Kaidan speak to EDI over the intercom, play poker with James, and talk with Adams down in Engineering.
 
I'm starting to see why people feel Kaidan is more prominent in ME3 than Ashley. He provides way more flavor.

This has been addressed, Ashley's writer chose to have most of her VO work done in her interactive scenes instead of in ambient conversations. 

Total "word budget" (read word count) is nearly the same between Kaidan and Ashley. 

[nrobbiec]

Who is this Ashley person? I vaguely remember a few people dying on Virmire...

[DeinonSlayer]

Ice Cold J wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Ashleys character suffered a bit in ME3.

Kaiden in ME3 seems to be a bit more real.

I agree.

I feel that writers were afraid to touch Ash's character the way they adapted Kaidan's.

Ash became more or less a whiny jarhead, while Kaidan was given more of a backstory and instances of interaction.

I question if there were any writers left with the courage to give voice to non-PC opinions like she expressed in ME1. Just look at the hate she still gets on these boards.

[Kunari801]

nrobbiec wrote...

Who is this Ashley person? I vaguely remember a few people dying on Virmire...

Now now, I like both Askley and Kaidan.  Sure I have a preference and it should be obvious and to be honest I haven't done a Ash PT in ME3 yet... for (ending reasons) I haven't really felt like playing ME3 again.

In ME1 she evolves from her understandable issues with alien races. In ME2 neither of them had much character development time so doesn't really count.

I like how Kaidan's character developed in ME3.

Modifié par Kunari801, 28 février 2013 - 01:29 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I have to ask - why do so many S/S Kaidan and Stevemancers have animated love scene banners in their sigs? I don't see any other 'mancers on these boards who feel the need to do that.

[dewayne31]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Mordak55 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Ashley all the way. Maybe save Kaidan when you're playing as FemShep.

I play as fem shp most time I still save Ashley. 

You're pulling my leg aren't you?

i have two playthrus as femshep and i saved ash each time. might go third and save kaidan. never same kaidan as a maleshep

[nrobbiec]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I have to ask - why do so many S/S Kaidan and Stevemancers have animated love scene banners in their sigs? I don't see any other 'mancers on these boards who feel the need to do that.

It was just the best one I could find 

[Ice Cold J]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Ice Cold J wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Ashleys character suffered a bit in ME3.

Kaiden in ME3 seems to be a bit more real.

I agree.

I feel that writers were afraid to touch Ash's character the way they adapted Kaidan's.

Ash became more or less a whiny jarhead, while Kaidan was given more of a backstory and instances of interaction.

I question if there were any writers left with the courage to give voice to non-PC opinions like she expressed in ME1. Just look at the hate she still gets on these boards.

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