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[Nicksta92]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

What I do is give Kaiden a hero's death and terminate the plastic surgery-obsessed meatbag on the Citadel.

LOL

[-TC1989-]

For me personally I always took Ashley over Kaiden. Kaiden just never really caught my interest as a cool character. He really lacked what others had, Garrus/Wrex ect.

Now Ashley on the other hand was pretty cool in Mass Effect, but in 2 and 3 she started really getting under my skin. She never could understand that my time with Cerberus was to help humanity fight the collectors and THAT WAS IT. And then in Mass effect 3 my Shepard couldn't so much as sneeze without her questioning me if that was code talk for Cerberus. I mean get over yourself woman...

[survivor_686]

This may be relevant:


I would also like to mention she questions your allegiance max twice. Once one Mars and once during the Citadel fight. Paragon her during Mars and she drops the entire suspicion angle. Regain her loyalty (just paragon it) and during the Citadel confrontation she turns her gun on Udina if you miss the paragon interrupt.

I would like to point out that Shepard did join the ME equivalent of Al-Qaeda. Would you really believe someone whom said they gave up all ties?

I guess the fact that she doesn't blindly follow Shepard in comparison to the others may have got underneath their skin. But in that regards she might be one of the more realistic characters of the series.

[Raikas]

LOL

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Realistically, I'd leave Lieutenant Alenko, the tech, to set up the bomb. Ashley helps Kirrahe's men fight. I then go to the tower to pick up Captain Kirrahe (who you actually find there if you go to the tower instead of the bomb site). It never made sense how the Salarians get off the planet otherwise. Kirrahe is higher-ranking than either Ashley or Kaidan, and may have intel vital to the mission. That's how I chose in my canon playthrough, and MShep didn't romance anyone in ME1.

Yeah, I'm generally with you on most of that - Kirrahe gets saved/the tech is with the bomb & the soldier is off fighting/the romances are all grossly unprofessional - but even though I'm generally split on who gets saved (although without meta-gaming I'd probably always take Ash, because otherwise you'd leave Kirrahe behind), the more I think about it, the more I don't buy that the bomb needs someone to die with it.

To be fair, some of that may be from the way that enemy Combat Engineers seem to all have a death wish and that makes me want to play in a way that's exactly counter to that, because I don't see why the tech guys constantly need to end up dead (obviously the enemies all die regardless, but still).

Modifié par Hervoyl, 04 mars 2013 - 04:27 .

[SlottsMachine]

I love that Shepard says, "pish posh".

[Hulluliini]

I couldn't stand Kaidan's whiny tone in ME1 so I only have one playthrough with him alive. But then in ME3, I can't stand Ashley! Kaidan is much more useful in combat and nicer in general in ME3.

[CaIIisto]

I gibbed a save to get ready for the Citadel DLC, and in doing so took the opportunity to swap out Ashley in favour of Kaiden. Her miserable ME3 tone won't fit well with shore leave.....

[Babydel]

I hate Ashley with a passion, only recently I managed to force myself to let her live on Virmire on my recent marathon play-through. Not sure why I do.

Kaidan I don't really feel anything for, good or bad. So I guess he wins.

[Djacques812]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

ME1/ME2 = Ashley
ME3 = Kaiden

What I do is give Kaiden a hero's death and terminate the plastic surgery-obsessed meatbag on the Citadel.

I never laughed so hard in my life (litteraly fell off my chair).. That is the perfect description of Ashley in  me3

[Djacques812]

Icinix wrote...

Ashleys character suffered a bit in ME3.

Kaiden in ME3 seems to be a bit more real.

I hope your being sarcastic by saying "a bit" the citadel DLC, the last ever dlc for this game has one cut scene for her (granted so does Kaiden) that only has ONE LINE that differentiates it between romance and non-romance. I think "a bit" is a a grave understatement.

[Djacques812]

Mordak55 wrote...

I save Ashley 75% of time, I just prefer her character, seems more "Marine" than Kaiden in ME1.

Her mistrust of the other races is not unrealistic in context, and in fact Pressley expresses almost the same concerns in ME1 regarding the aliens on the ship.

I don't think BW did her character any favours in ME3 however.

While you are right about Pressley in Me2 Normandy crash site DLC you find out that his attitude towards the other species had changed via his datapad. Ashley however pretty much remains the same even past her post-Miranda redesign. 

[MrGoldarm]

I liked Ashley more in ME, but the constant ****ing in me3 made me regret saving her. Kaidan is the more useful combat character though in ME 1 and 3.
I found Ashley's questions regarding Tali in the engine room realistic..... There was room enough on the crew deck.

Modifié par Goldarm, 22 avril 2013 - 05:20 .

[BioWareAre****s]

Ashley grates me. While I appreciate a character with the balls to stand up for herself and question my authority, she doesn't have to be so ****ing annoying while she does it. Also, Kaidan suits my playing style better, I'm very biotic-heavy, so for me it's Kaidan every time. Except the one time I saved Ash just to see how she turns out, but it's not a REAL playthrough. Major Sexy isn't really dead lol.

I don't understand quite why so many people see Kaidan as a wuss / whining douce-bag... He's quiet, yeah, but that isn't always a sign of weakness. He killed his teachers when he was 17, what more do you want?!

[biotic-backhand]

I don't think I've ever disliked any character in the Mass Effect universe, Ashley and Kaidan included. They both have great traits that make great topics for discussions among the fans more than any other character and that makes them among the best characters in the game.

That being said, I think I liked Kaidan slightly more than Ash. I don't know why, but he just sort of clicked with my own personality. I just wished they fleshed him out more in ME1 as they did with Ashley, like less about BAat and more about his history with the Alliance.

When it all comes down to it though, the Kaidan/Ashley debate is synonymous with the MaleShep/FemShep arguments. Men rip on the female, female rip on the male and all that, but add that with the "HE'S A WHINY FEMBOY!!11!" from the men and the "SHE'S A BIBLE BASHING SPACE RACIST!!!11!" from both sides and you get two of the most misunderstood characters in the series. I see them the way I see MShep and FShep; they're both great in their own ways, but blindly bashing them just shows no interest in them.

Modifié par biotic-backhand, 23 avril 2013 - 02:19 .

[Modius Prime]

Ashley dies on Virmire
Why?
1) I play default Shepard (Earth-born, sole survivor, Sheploo, soldier) and it would be pretty stupid to have another soldier, and even if I wasn't a soldier, Garrus and James pretty much fill in her role (Garrus even better since he has overload+AP rounds). Kaidan (utility squadmate) can detonate biotics and can tech burst>Ashley's tech burst primer (nades)
2) The only way to redeem her family is by dying on Virmire. The Salarians give her her the silver dagger award for her heroism against Saren and for her sacrifice.
3) Subjective: I personally enjoy Kaidan's personality a lot better. Ashley just rubbed off wrong in ME1 (especially with those nasty quips on the Citadel! Ugh...) and Kaidan seemed like the perfect bro/hoe to compliment him. Right off the bat, he is already paragon and is a more experienced soldier (higher rank) and biotics are one in a million --- especially human biotics. Kaidan can revolutionize the prejudice against human biotics.

[CDR David Shepard]

Modius Prime wrote...

Ashley dies on Virmire
Why?
1) I play default Shepard (Earth-born, sole survivor, Sheploo, soldier) and it would be pretty stupid to have another soldier, and even if I wasn't a soldier, Garrus and James pretty much fill in her role (Garrus even better since he has overload+AP rounds). Kaidan (utility squadmate) can detonate biotics and can tech burst>Ashley's tech burst primer (nades)
2) The only way to redeem her family is by dying on Virmire. The Salarians give her her the silver dagger award for her heroism against Saren and for her sacrifice.
3) Subjective: I personally enjoy Kaidan's personality a lot better. Ashley just rubbed off wrong in ME1 (especially with those nasty quips on the Citadel! Ugh...) and Kaidan seemed like the perfect bro/hoe to compliment him. Right off the bat, he is already paragon and is a more experienced soldier (higher rank) and biotics are one in a million --- especially human biotics. Kaidan can revolutionize the prejudice against human biotics.

Right...because she doesn't become the second human spectre in ME3 or anything.

This topic is "to each their own" of course...so I have nothing against you opinion...but the bolded is just ridiculous.

[Reikilea]

Easy. Bomb and Kaidan are always getting saved. The bomb is more important and it´s primary mission. AA Towers were only distraction - Shepard wouldn't even go there if Ash did not call for help.

And I can be sure that Saren and his geth cant deactivate it, when I go running for Ashley. If Shepard easily deactivated geth bombs on eden prime, that bomb is nothing for synthetic. And even if I think Kaidan is a really great soldier and experienced marine - holding off whole geth dreadnought and protecting the bomb is way to impossible. In a game, pch but I like to think realistically and I want to ensure the bomb is safe.

And actually I find it hard to believe Saren would rather go running for AA Towers if there is this big bomb threatening to nuke everything. I think he would rather deactivate the bomb and then go deal with them.
Biotic officer saved.
Heroic awesome soldier clears her family name.

[CDR David Shepard]

Reikilea wrote...

Easy. Bomb and Kaidan are always getting saved. The bomb is more important and it´s primary mission. AA Towers were only distraction - Shepard wouldn't even go there if Ash did not call for help.

And I can be sure that Saren and his geth cant deactivate it, when I go running for Ashley. If Shepard easily deactivated geth bombs on eden prime, that bomb is nothing for synthetic. And even if I think Kaidan is a really great soldier and experienced marine - holding off whole geth dreadnought and protecting the bomb is way to impossible. In a game, pch but I like to think realistically and I want to ensure the bomb is safe.

And actually I find it hard to believe Saren would rather go running for AA Towers if there is this big bomb threatening to nuke everything. I think he would rather deactivate the bomb and then go deal with them.
Biotic officer saved.
Heroic awesome soldier clears her family name.

I thought that once the bomb was triggered...that was it...it couldn't be stopped.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 24 avril 2013 - 12:02 .

[Jewlie Ghoulie]

Ashley. I did a Kaidan playthrough recently [It was my most recent playthrough] and I just felt so...weird. Like it was empty with out Ashley. And I play femshep most times.

[Exile Isan]

CDR David Shepard wrote...
I thought that once the bomb was triggered...that was it...it couldn't be stopped.

IIRC, Kirrahe says that it would be extremely hard to do, but not impossible.

[Trentest0]

Ashley does have a ambient interaction with Tali, after the Tuchunka Bomb, you can find it on YouTube. Of course, everyone did that mission way before the Citadel Coup, so yknow...

[Zuzu Mumu]

For me , Kaiden was meant to die always , I have played mass effect like a mad person , hundreds of times and currently i have about 5000 registered played hours of the trilogy and every time , Kaiden dies , no exceptions. Not because i like Ashley but for several other reasons , one of them being Kaiden has old biotic implants level 3 or so i believe? Which would have eventually killed him anyway in the near future. Two , because he is a hero and he deserves to go down in history with a big bang and be remembered for it , not die an old man , wet , senile and with hygiene problems (reference to Jon Grissom) for those true fans who know what i mean. Three , because Kaiden was never my love interest , I play and have always played as a Woman , therefore femshep .. and my only ever romance was Thane , i guess you could say i just don't want to take what's thrown at me and prefer to have my own choices when it comes to romance.

[Reikilea]

Zuzu Mumu wrote...

For me , Kaiden was meant to die always , I have played mass effect like a mad person , hundreds of times and currently i have about 5000 registered played hours of the trilogy and every time , Kaiden dies , no exceptions. Not because i like Ashley but for several other reasons , one of them being Kaiden has old biotic implants level 3 or so i believe? Which would have eventually killed him anyway in the near future. Two , because he is a hero and he deserves to go down in history with a big bang and be remembered for it , not die an old man , wet , senile and with hygiene problems (reference to Jon Grissom) for those true fans who know what i mean. Three , because Kaiden was never my love interest , I play and have always played as a Woman , therefore femshep .. and my only ever romance was Thane , i guess you could say i just don't want to take what's thrown at me and prefer to have my own choices when it comes to romance.

Sorry, but, you know for someone who played Mass Effect for about 5000 hours, your facts are kind of illogical and quite misleading.

First - there was never said Kaidan si going to die because of his L2 implants. The L2 implants are still stronger than L3 and he only suffer ocassional migraines. Something he doesn´t even mention and doesn´t interfree with his .

Second - you killed the only paragon biotic in the game. Someone who could turn human prejudice againt biotics and make ordinary people accept them. (especially if your Shepard is not biotic).

And it´s Ashley who dies as alien hero, cleaning her family name on Virmire. Kaidan is only very unfortunate loss, especially because you are killing the second most ranked officer after Shepard and basically you loose person who manages all marines on ship.

And you know you don´t really have to romance him.

And why comparing Alenko to Grissom. They have nothing in common. It´s more like Shepard could be compared to Grissom.

[webhead921]

Kaidan is great in ME3, and he's a very useful all-around squadmate (with Reave and Overload). I almost never use Ashley and she doesn't really have a ton of content once she rejoins the group, so I always feel like I forget that she's there on the Normandy. To be fair, however, Kaidan was my LI on my first playthrough, so he might have had additional content.

[Ryzaki]

Kaidan.

Ashley grated on my Shep's nerves and tactically he had to make sure that bomb went off (the bomb that Kaidan was at). Salarians and whatnot were a secondary concern. If the bomb was defused it was all for nothing.

That said when I do save Ash I kill her on the Citadel I just...ugh. What a waste of a character slot.