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[gangly369]

I remember back when everyone first started playing multiplayer, and there were all of these people begging Bioware to throw in a Prothean. So they now decide to give us a Collector, which in no way impacts the single player, will almost certainly never be referenced at any time by Shepard or anyone else, and is most likely just Biowares way of giving the multiplayer fans a treat, and we get this. People complaining about how it breaks the lore and it's ruined the game. Just take it for what it is and stop putting so much weight behind this. It's just a fun little addition to MP. That's it.

Edit: To be specific, I remember there being one camp that wanted a Prothean and another that wanted Javik specifically

Modifié par gangly369, 27 février 2013 - 03:36 .

[Eterna]

devSin wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

Or even just crossed wires.

They retained some sort of instinctual intelligence, so all that would be needed is something that gets them to switch targets and fight against the Reapers instead of with them.

But that they somehow revert to having Prothean identities is just absurd. It's probably one of the stupidest descriptions they could have come up with.

I actually agree, I don't like it.  But it's just MP, I'll get over it. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 27 février 2013 - 03:37 .

[Sovereign330]

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

they are leviathan controlled

[Eterna]

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

they are leviathan controlled

They aren't, it says they were freed by the Leviathans and now fight for their peoples memories. It says nothing about them being controlled. 

[RiptideX1090]

All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.

Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?

[Bill Casey]

Remarkable...
It manages to make every ending more depressing...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 février 2013 - 03:39 .

[Eterna]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.

Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?

Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful. 

[RiptideX1090]

Eterna5 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.

Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?

Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful. 

I am not even going to bother trying to argue why there is nothing beautiful about that.

[Eterna]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.

Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?

Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful. 

I am not even going to bother trying to argue why there is nothing beautiful about that.

Beautiful in a sad drammatic sort of way. Like imagen a husk on his knees screaming to the heavens "NOOOOOOO!!!" as rain pours down upon him. 

Also, plenty of fictional stories do something like this. One notable example is the Forsaken from World of Warcraft. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 27 février 2013 - 03:46 .

[Jenonax]

Eterna5 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.

Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?

Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful. 

Sounds horrendously devestating to me.

Seriously I'm not sure anyone could cope having to live that way.

EDIT: Never mind, didn't see last post.

Modifié par Jenonax, 27 février 2013 - 03:46 .

[Sovereign330]

Eterna5 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

they are leviathan controlled

They aren't, it says they were freed by the Leviathans and now fight for their peoples memories. It says nothing about them being controlled. 

With a thrall device....we saw plenty of thrall devices in leviathan and what do they do...rip the control from the reapers and transfer it over to the leviathans...this isnt anything new. they are not freed. They fight for the memory in the sense that they are the last remnants of prothean opposition against reaper forces and that if they are extinguished, the protheans become a lost memory. At any rate, while I am 100% positive with what they meant, I sent a message to a bio moderator to get clarification.


Bad wording in the description?

You betcha

Does that mean I'm wrong?

No

Modifié par Sovereign330, 27 février 2013 - 03:47 .

[RiptideX1090]

Eterna5 wrote...
Beautiful in a sad drammatic sort of way. Like imagen a husk on his knees screaming to the heavens "NOOOOOOO!!!" as rain pours down upon him. 

Also, plenty of fictional stories do something like this. One notable example is the Forsaken from World of Warcraft. 

That's not beautiful, that's horrible.

Waking up to find you've been turned into a mutated monstrocity that's more machine than organic, looking down and seeing your hands formed into metal claws that are reading the genetic material of everything you come near, and knowing the reason they are covered in blood is because you've been slaughtering people in droves for weeks now. The horror of reuniting with your family only for them to revile you, not to mention you're hooked up to the Reapers and are now aware of it.

Life would be unending misery for multiple reasons.

[Sovereign330]

Well this thread just derailed...I'll be going then

[Eterna]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Beautiful in a sad drammatic sort of way. Like imagen a husk on his knees screaming to the heavens "NOOOOOOO!!!" as rain pours down upon him. 

Also, plenty of fictional stories do something like this. One notable example is the Forsaken from World of Warcraft. 

That's not beautiful, that's horrible.

Waking up to find you've been turned into a mutated monstrocity that's more machine than organic, looking down and seeing your hands formed into metal claws that are reading the genetic material of everything you come near, and knowing the reason they are covered in blood is because you've been slaughtering people in droves for weeks now. The horror of reuniting with your family only for them to revile you, not to mention you're hooked up to the Reapers and are now aware of it.

Life would be unending misery for multiple reasons.

It is horrible that's the point and theme to it. You become one of many monstrocities and are now forced to come to terms with what you are, you must then find some purpose or place for yourself in the world that reviles you. It is a fascinating theme, at least imo. I very much enjoy such arcs in fiction. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 27 février 2013 - 04:10 .

[LeandroBraz]

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

they are leviathan controlled

They aren't, it says they were freed by the Leviathans and now fight for their peoples memories. It says nothing about them being controlled. 

With a thrall device....we saw plenty of thrall devices in leviathan and what do they do...rip the control from the reapers and transfer it over to the leviathans...this isnt anything new. they are not freed. They fight for the memory in the sense that they are the last remnants of prothean opposition against reaper forces and that if they are extinguished, the protheans become a lost memory. At any rate, while I am 100% positive with what they meant, I sent a message to a bio moderator to get clarification.


Bad wording in the description?

You betcha

Does that mean I'm wrong?

No

I agree with your interpretation, but it don't look like they are actually controlling. I think the Leviathans restaured enough to give them purpose and to make them capable of acting by themselves, without direct control. Something like Okeer's failed Krogans, but with even less personality...

[sr2josh]

 What people have to remember is that MP isn't strictly lore in the same way that SP is.  The Collector character was thrown in for us fans to have fun playing as.

[Sovereign330]

LeandroBraz wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

they are leviathan controlled

They aren't, it says they were freed by the Leviathans and now fight for their peoples memories. It says nothing about them being controlled. 

With a thrall device....we saw plenty of thrall devices in leviathan and what do they do...rip the control from the reapers and transfer it over to the leviathans...this isnt anything new. they are not freed. They fight for the memory in the sense that they are the last remnants of prothean opposition against reaper forces and that if they are extinguished, the protheans become a lost memory. At any rate, while I am 100% positive with what they meant, I sent a message to a bio moderator to get clarification.


Bad wording in the description?

You betcha

Does that mean I'm wrong?

No

I agree with your interpretation, but it don't look like they are actually controlling. I think the Leviathans restaured enough to give them purpose and to make them capable of acting by themselves, without direct control. Something like Okeer's failed Krogans, but with even less personality...

Just cuz its us the player controlling it doesnt mean the leviathan isnt (from a story perspective anyway) they went out of their way to mention how the thing became playable

[Cainhurst Crow]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...
Beautiful in a sad drammatic sort of way. Like imagen a husk on his knees screaming to the heavens "NOOOOOOO!!!" as rain pours down upon him. 

Also, plenty of fictional stories do something like this. One notable example is the Forsaken from World of Warcraft. 

That's not beautiful, that's horrible.

Waking up to find you've been turned into a mutated monstrocity that's more machine than organic, looking down and seeing your hands formed into metal claws that are reading the genetic material of everything you come near, and knowing the reason they are covered in blood is because you've been slaughtering people in droves for weeks now. The horror of reuniting with your family only for them to revile you, not to mention you're hooked up to the Reapers and are now aware of it.

Life would be unending misery for multiple reasons.

Looks like someone can't appreciate the value of a good sad story.

[Jadebaby]

geceka wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Comparing a guddamn Collector to Benezia is just flawed on soooo many different levels. Let me ask you something. And this is completely hypothetical as it's probably not possible either.

But why? Benezia is a powerful biotic and somewhat of a mystic. Protheans are powerful biotics and somewhat mystic (touching a wall lets Javik learn things about people?). It's really not that far-fetched that the way to retain a bit of personality through indoctrination is possible for Protheans/Collectors as well.

Benezia is still Benezia...

If Benezia had been turned into a Banshee, and then found that bit of herself. Your comparison would work. But she didn't and it doesn't.

Jadebaby wrote...

If a husk's nanobytes stopped working and it lost it's link to the Reapers. Do you think it'd go and join the N7 program?

No, but the MP Collector isn't just a normal footsoldier Collector either, it's obviously special, both in its description and the unique powers it has.

I think the person who came up with this idea is special. This is why it would have simply been better to add an actual Prothean and just say "we found another."

Jadebaby wrote...

First we got the Volus which bent the lore

Why, the lore only says that Volus aren't all that well-suited to be soldiers/warriors, but not that there aren't even a few among the billions of Volus individuals who did not – against all odds – decide to become mercenaries (or whatever). I don't want all the races to be walking stereotypes – Not every Asari is a powerful biotic, not every Drell is a well-trained assassin, not every Volus is a cowardly banker.

Except if their suit tears they explode......

Jadebaby wrote...

What's even worse than this, is that for the Collector kit to realistically join the MP team, it has to be able to communicate with other squadmates...

Well, yeah, this is not something that is explained in these few lines. Could just as well be that they could only relay their intent to fight the Reapers through a Leviathan or a brave Asari who does their mind-thingie with them. If it concerns you a lot, you can still role-play the MP Collector by never joining in on any objective and never reviving teammates, because they don't understand ;-)

Then again, people have been doing trade and whatnot with Collectors before, so I wouldn't rule out they can communicate without Reaper intervention.

No, the Collectors never did trade themselves, they worked through mercenaries or slavers. Play ME2 again.

I wont do it by not reviving teammates, I'll do it by giving up on ME3 MP altogether. Between the MP and the SP ending, it's pretty clear now that any intelligent lore-writing Mass Effect had going for itself is well and truly gone.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 27 février 2013 - 05:52 .

[Jadebaby]

BeefheartSpud wrote...

I keep reading Awakened Collector as Awkward Collector, and then I giggle internally.

I like awkward Collector much better.

[Sovereign330]

Jadebaby wrote...

geceka wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Comparing a guddamn Collector to Benezia is just flawed on soooo many different levels. Let me ask you something. And this is completely hypothetical as it's probably not possible either.

But why? Benezia is a powerful biotic and somewhat of a mystic. Protheans are powerful biotics and somewhat mystic (touching a wall lets Javik learn things about people?). It's really not that far-fetched that the way to retain a bit of personality through indoctrination is possible for Protheans/Collectors as well.

Benezia is still Benezia...

If Benezia had been turned into a Banshee, and then found that bit of herself. Your comparison would work. But she didn't and it doesn't.

Jadebaby wrote...

If a husk's nanobytes stopped working and it lost it's link to the Reapers. Do you think it'd go and join the N7 program?

No, but the MP Collector isn't just a normal footsoldier Collector either, it's obviously special, both in its description and the unique powers it has.

I think the person who came up with this idea is special. This is why it would have simply been better to add an actual Prothean and just say "we found another."

Jadebaby wrote...

First we got the Volus which bent the lore

Why, the lore only says that Volus aren't all that well-suited to be soldiers/warriors, but not that there aren't even a few among the billions of Volus individuals who did not – against all odds – decide to become mercenaries (or whatever). I don't want all the races to be walking stereotypes – Not every Asari is a powerful biotic, not every Drell is a well-trained assassin, not every Volus is a cowardly banker.

Except if their suit tears they explode......

Jadebaby wrote...

What's even worse than this, is that for the Collector kit to realistically join the MP team, it has to be able to communicate with other squadmates...

Well, yeah, this is not something that is explained in these few lines. Could just as well be that they could only relay their intent to fight the Reapers through a Leviathan or a brave Asari who does their mind-thingie with them. If it concerns you a lot, you can still role-play the MP Collector by never joining in on any objective and never reviving teammates, because they don't understand ;-)

Then again, people have been doing trade and whatnot with Collectors before, so I wouldn't rule out they can communicate without Reaper intervention.

No, the Collectors never did trade themselves, they worked through mercenaries or slavers. Play ME2 again.

I wont do it by not reviving teammates, I'll do it by giving up on ME3 MP altogether. Between the MP and the SP ending, it's pretty clear now that any intelligent lore-writing Mass Effect had going for itself is well and truly gone.

I think that's going a bit harsh on the collector thrall but you have a right to your opinion

[CDRSkyShepard]

HAHAHAHA. Lore? What's that?

Don't even get me started on the FemBot.

[Jadebaby]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

HAHAHAHA. Lore? What's that?

Don't even get me started on the FemBot.

Your avatar just gave me a strong sense of nostalgia. The whole hold the line movement and the fleet banners you created.. Damn, the past year may have been for nothing. But there were a lot of good times...

[CDRSkyShepard]

gangly369 wrote...

I remember back when everyone first started playing multiplayer, and there were all of these people begging Bioware to throw in a Prothean. So they now decide to give us a Collector, which in no way impacts the single player, will almost certainly never be referenced at any time by Shepard or anyone else, and is most likely just Biowares way of giving the multiplayer fans a treat, and we get this. People complaining about how it breaks the lore and it's ruined the game. Just take it for what it is and stop putting so much weight behind this. It's just a fun little addition to MP. That's it.

Edit: To be specific, I remember there being one camp that wanted a Prothean and another that wanted Javik specifically

Well, if they wanted to tie their MP mode to the lore they should've realized it would limit their plausible options. They really just need to cut the crap and not even try anymore, it's insulting. This is why the war games scenario for Halo works; complete non-interference. BW shot themselves in the foot by trying to make this stuff even remotely canon.

Another beautiful thing about Halo...when you download *free* DLC, you can actually PLAY IT. Nothing to unlock or farm for! What a concept.

Jadebaby wrote...
Your avatar just gave me a strong sense of nostalgia. The whole hold the line movement and the fleet banners you created.. Damn, the past year may have been for nothing. But there were a lot of good times...

Oh Jadebb I miss you dearie. Lol. Can't believe it's been almost a year now.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 27 février 2013 - 06:11 .

[Jadebaby]

gangly369 wrote...

I remember back when everyone first started playing multiplayer, and there were all of these people begging Bioware to throw in a Prothean. So they now decide to give us a Collector, which in no way impacts the single player, will almost certainly never be referenced at any time by Shepard or anyone else, and is most likely just Biowares way of giving the multiplayer fans a treat, and we get this. People complaining about how it breaks the lore and it's ruined the game. Just take it for what it is and stop putting so much weight behind this. It's just a fun little addition to MP. That's it.

Edit: To be specific, I remember there being one camp that wanted a Prothean and another that wanted Javik specifically

Yea, exactly. Who cares if it doesn't make sense. As long as it makes the MP more "fun" so people keep spending "money" to unlock said "dlc".

Yea.. For that matter, let's never complain about anything, because we should just all be grateful these "business companies" are making games in the first place.

Then 4 years from now when we get Mass Effect of Duty. And you have to pay for all your squadmates and every "power weapon" to be unlocked. Don't complain then, because that's where it will lead if people just keep lapping up all the crap that gets fed to consumers.

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...
Your avatar just gave me a strong sense of nostalgia. The whole hold the line movement and the fleet banners you created.. Damn, the past year may have been for nothing. But there were a lot of good times...

Oh Jadebb I miss you dearie. Lol. Can't believe it's been almost a year now.

I miss you too. I can believe it's been a year. It's been a long year at that. On the plus side of these next dlc's we can finally judge ME3 as a finished product. And I have a feeling it's going to stink. But that's okay. People make mistakes and things change, BioWare have just changed the direction they are heading and that doesn't please many. That's all it is at the end of the day. Well, you know.. Apart from all the pre-release dev quotes that were just BS. But I'm over that. On the plus side, Tomb Raider and Gears of War: Judgement are coming out in a couple of weeks. Although I don't have high expectations for Judgement, I feel they are heading the same direction Mass Effect 3 did...

Modifié par Jadebaby, 27 février 2013 - 06:14 .