Modifié par Smeffects, 27 février 2013 - 06:16 .
If it wasn't strictly lore why would they even bother trying to come up with a backstory for it? It's lore, or at least it's supposed to be. That has always been the intent of the MP - it ties in with the SP universe.Makai81 wrote...
What people have to remember is that MP isn't strictly lore in the same way that SP is. The Collector character was thrown in for us fans to have fun playing as.
Really, the vanilla game should have been enough. My friend who introduced me to ME and loves it as much as I do doesn't buy DLC. So if he doesn't get the full experience without DLC I can't say it's a full experience with DLC. It really should just be the whipped cream on top. We'll have to see what this Citadel DLC does. (I'll have to suspend my disbelief once again that Shep gets a swank apartment while many suffer on the docks...)Jadebaby wrote...
I miss you too. I can believe it's been a year. It's been a long year at that. On the plus side of these next dlc's we can finally judge ME3 as a finished product. And I have a feeling it's going to stink. But that's okay. People make mistakes and things change, BioWare have just changed the direction they are heading and that doesn't please many. That's all it is at the end of the day. Well, you know.. Apart from all the pre-release dev quotes that were just BS. But I'm over that. On the plus side, Tomb Raider and Gears of War: Judgement are coming out in a couple of weeks. Although I don't have high expectations for Judgement, I feel they are heading the same direction Mass Effect 3 did...
Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 27 février 2013 - 06:21 .
Smeffects wrote...
About the collector innability to communicate with others, it depends on whats going on, if its a thrall of the leviathan. I guess the Leviathan could be the one adressing you via the collector like harbinger. The only instance of collector communication with other races is always done via Harbinger. Even in the comic, the only time a trade is showed, for shepards body, the collector general is the only one with the ability to talk, its Harbinger of course.
So the awakened collector is nothing more then a reprogrammed reaper tool, just like what lawson tried at sancturary, the leviathan can simply asume direct control, ascention mode?
Jadebaby wrote...
Smeffects wrote...
About the collector innability to communicate with others, it depends on whats going on, if its a thrall of the leviathan. I guess the Leviathan could be the one adressing you via the collector like harbinger. The only instance of collector communication with other races is always done via Harbinger. Even in the comic, the only time a trade is showed, for shepards body, the collector general is the only one with the ability to talk, its Harbinger of course.
So the awakened collector is nothing more then a reprogrammed reaper tool, just like what lawson tried at sancturary, the leviathan can simply asume direct control, ascention mode?
Even if it's a Leviathan-controlled Collector...
Firstly, that would ruin the point of it being called an "awakened collector" since it's not, it's just being controlled by someone else...
But secondly...
- Leviathans say they will help the war effort.
- Takes control of a single Collector drone.
- Seems legit.
Modifié par Smeffects, 27 février 2013 - 06:24 .
Eterna5 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.
Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?
Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful.
Or it could make their brains explode like they did in that Doctor Who episode when the Cybermen had their emotions restored.Postman778 wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
All I know is this basically confirms that all those husks in Synthesis now remember who they used to be.
Yeah, that's a real beautiful ending you got there, isn't it Gamble?
Actually, husks learning to reconnect with their families and try to make it in a society the reviles and fears them could be beautiful.
Remembers me of the movie "Warm Bodies"
Zombies came back to life by the power of love. But that movie is a comedy. Maybe ME3 is a comedy, too?
This. The Enthrallment team description mentions the potential for armies of reaper creatures to dedicate thmselves to eliminating their own kind. Collectors are no exception to this rule. Many wanted a leviathan thrall. They got one. Awakened I think simply refers to that moment where the link between Harbinger and some of the collectors was severed via a thrall device/artifact what have you. So quick to jump on it and say it violate lore. Easier than taking a step back and trying to say "how does it fit"...and here we are as the thread title shows.Smeffects wrote...
Jadebaby wrote...
Smeffects wrote...
About the collector innability to communicate with others, it depends on whats going on, if its a thrall of the leviathan. I guess the Leviathan could be the one adressing you via the collector like harbinger. The only instance of collector communication with other races is always done via Harbinger. Even in the comic, the only time a trade is showed, for shepards body, the collector general is the only one with the ability to talk, its Harbinger of course.
So the awakened collector is nothing more then a reprogrammed reaper tool, just like what lawson tried at sancturary, the leviathan can simply asume direct control, ascention mode?
Even if it's a Leviathan-controlled Collector...
Firstly, that would ruin the point of it being called an "awakened collector" since it's not, it's just being controlled by someone else...
But secondly...
- Leviathans say they will help the war effort.
- Takes control of a single Collector drone.
- Seems legit.
He doesent have to control it directly at all time. Harbinger didnt have to direct control all of them, for all we know leviathan can just have them into its influance, like the miners. Also only because you only have one in your game doesent mean in the game theres only one repurposed collector, just like theres more then one turian soldier.
Smeffects wrote...
Jadebaby wrote...
Smeffects wrote...
About the collector innability to communicate with others, it depends on whats going on, if its a thrall of the leviathan. I guess the Leviathan could be the one adressing you via the collector like harbinger. The only instance of collector communication with other races is always done via Harbinger. Even in the comic, the only time a trade is showed, for shepards body, the collector general is the only one with the ability to talk, its Harbinger of course.
So the awakened collector is nothing more then a reprogrammed reaper tool, just like what lawson tried at sancturary, the leviathan can simply asume direct control, ascention mode?
Even if it's a Leviathan-controlled Collector...
Firstly, that would ruin the point of it being called an "awakened collector" since it's not, it's just being controlled by someone else...
But secondly...
- Leviathans say they will help the war effort.
- Takes control of a single Collector drone.
- Seems legit.
He doesent have to control it directly at all time. Harbinger didnt have to direct control all of them, for all we know leviathan can just have them into its influance, like the miners. Also only because you only have one in your game doesent mean in the game theres only one repurposed collector, just like theres more then one turian soldier.
We know that repurposing reaper troups was possible for cerberus, why is it hard to believe leviathans could do that? Ascention mode is the only time where leviathan should be in direct control, make sense it increase the power but reduce the resistance of the host, since the body does not matter!
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Modifié par jancz89, 27 février 2013 - 06:58 .
Nrieh wrote...
Harbi controls collector = mindless soulless husk
Levi controls collector = awakened sentient being
BW trolls fans, who read codex and know 2 previous games = profit
Jadebaby wrote...
@Sovereign330, then they should have called it "enthralled Collector."
jancz89 wrote...
player is not playing collector but s/he is actually playing Leviathan who is controling a collector, hmmm
anyway why are people still arguing this? Multiplayer breaks the lore in almost every way, with space magic topping
just listen to all Mordin dialogues in ME2 regarding collectors, and read the codex and you'll clearly see that this character description simply breaks the lore, think people, use the large thing between your ears (I am not talking about nose)
I hope leviathan can maintain a better connection with his thrall than sovereign... if you know what i mean
Sovereign330 wrote...
jancz89 wrote...
player is not playing collector but s/he is actually playing Leviathan who is controling a collector, hmmm
anyway why are people still arguing this? Multiplayer breaks the lore in almost every way, with space magic topping
just listen to all Mordin dialogues in ME2 regarding collectors, and read the codex and you'll clearly see that this character description simply breaks the lore, think people, use the large thing between your ears (I am not talking about nose)
I hope leviathan can maintain a better connection with his thrall than sovereign... if you know what i mean
as long as the collector has no stomach heart brain or soul i think we're good on that front.
Sovereign330 wrote...
Jadebaby wrote...
@Sovereign330, then they should have called it "enthralled Collector."
i tend to agree. but the name is the name...free from harby's influence due to leviatham influence. its consistent with the story of leviathan. just very poorly worded in an attempt to "sound cooler"
Jadebaby wrote...
Well the character's description will settle this debate.
When the Reaper-killer known as Leviathan fought the Collectors, it severed their connection to Harbringer with a thrall device. Most Collector forces died as a result, but a few survived. Now, these rare individuals fight for the memory of their people, a proud race broken by the Reapers.
Protheans appointed avatars to embody and model a single virtue for their society. The Awakened Collectors' virtue is vengeance.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 février 2013 - 08:20 .
Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 février 2013 - 08:33 .
Bill Casey wrote...
Interesting implications if the Awakened Collectors have any semblance of free will...
It means they were connected to the Reapers, severed and given the option chose to fight alongside this cycle to the death against the Reapers...
I guess you could always hook them up to the Reapers again...
Modifié par Bill Casey, 27 février 2013 - 08:38 .
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