Logos77 wrote...
MP = lorelol
Mordin was working with limited info. Remeber, it was just an opinion.Jassu1979 wrote...
They've simply ignored what Mordin had to say on the matter before.
Just look at the Synthesis ending.
Weren't the husk shown to haveselfawareness inthe synthessis ending?o Ventus wrote...
So I guess the whole "Collectors are glorified husks" bit was retconned?
Not surprised.
F4H bandicoot wrote...
It is heavily implied that the general, when he looks directly at the 'camera' is feeling some sort of 'emotion'.
However the Collector general is not a standard collector.
I'd just like to point out that the codex has been worng about other things in the past, and inuniverse sources are not reliable sources of information.
It's also multiplayer, and people want to play as a prothean/collector, therefore they should put that in, and therefore single player lore should generally override MP 'lore' imo.
Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 26 février 2013 - 04:25 .
dreman9999 wrote...
Weren't the husk shown to haveselfawareness inthe synthessis ending?o Ventus wrote...
So I guess the whole "Collectors are glorified husks" bit was retconned?
Not surprised.
dreman9999 wrote...
Weren't the husk shown to haveselfawareness inthe synthessis ending?o Ventus wrote...
So I guess the whole "Collectors are glorified husks" bit was retconned?
Not surprised.
Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is neededJassu1979 wrote...
That's right: he *kept* his personality, meaning that he had one before being turned into a thrall.JamesFaith wrote...
Also Grayson in ME: Retribution kept his personality even after Reapers turned him to husk, and regained it again before he died.
The same cannot be said about the Collectors. They never had a chance to develop a personality.
I'm not pro synthesis, but it clear they can be freed..Lookat the collector general in the end of ME2.jumpingkaede wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Weren't the husk shown to haveselfawareness inthe synthessis ending?o Ventus wrote...
So I guess the whole "Collectors are glorified husks" bit was retconned?
Not surprised.
In one of the more terrifying and grotesque moments in the Mass Effect trilogy... yes.
And in the end of ME2 the collector general was also shown to be able to have self awareness.Unschuld wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Weren't the husk shown to haveselfawareness inthe synthessis ending?o Ventus wrote...
So I guess the whole "Collectors are glorified husks" bit was retconned?
Not surprised.
That was because of "space magic". This was because [NO EXPLANATION GIVEN], though I don't think the former option was any less retarded.
dreman9999 wrote...
Mordin was working with limited info. Remeber, it was just an opinion.Jassu1979 wrote...
They've simply ignored what Mordin had to say on the matter before.
Just look at the Synthesis ending.
dreman9999 wrote...
And in the end of ME2 the collector general was also shown to be able to have self awareness.
Modifié par jumpingkaede, 26 février 2013 - 04:34 .
dreman9999 wrote...Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is needed
Modifié par Unschuld, 26 février 2013 - 04:32 .
Modin never said the brain was replaced.They clearly have them being that they are capable of complex tasks.Unschuld wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is needed
Here, I'm going to completely remove everything in your head minus the brainstem and replace it with circuitboards. Get back to me when you "redevelop your sense of self" after 50,000 years of enslavement because another thing just decided to re-enslave you.
Wat.
Unschuld wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is needed
Here, I'm going to completely remove everything in your head minus the brainstem and replace it with circuitboards. Get back to me when you "redevelop your sense of self" after 50,000 years of enslavement because another thing just decided to re-enslave you.
Wat.
dreman9999 wrote...
Modin never said the brain was replaced.They clearly have them being that they are capable of complex tasks.
Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 26 février 2013 - 04:36 .
You have to be aware to be comfused.jumpingkaede wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Mordin was working with limited info. Remeber, it was just an opinion.Jassu1979 wrote...
They've simply ignored what Mordin had to say on the matter before.
Just look at the Synthesis ending.
True, but Mordin is generally pretty accurate when it comes to explaining ME science so his word should be taken as truth/canon because, otherwise, the player has no touchstone.
The problem with the MP "lore", if you want to call it that, is it raises a lot of very confusing questions if it's treated seriously.
If Habringer is "controlling" the Collectors, and the Collectors are really the ONLY troops that the Reapers have besides husks, not to mention the only species from prior cycles that we know were enthralled, doesn't that mean Harbinger is pretty damn important to the lore?
For that matter, can Collectors/Husks be reasoned with? Do they retain their "humanity"?
Should I feel guilty about having killed 100,000 husks and Collectors when I could've turned them to my side with a sharp PowerPoint presentation?dreman9999 wrote...
And in the end of ME2 the collector general was also shown to be able to have self awareness.
I agree that he seems to show some kind of emotion, and in fact, I consider that moment to be one of the sadder moments in ME2. Because the Collector General, whom you fought this entire time and assumed to be this big, bad, Reaper villain, was actually a pawn who is tossed aside like yesterday's empty coffee cup at the end by Harbinger.
I'm not sure I would qualify that as self-awareness though.
Confusion, perhaps?
dreman9999 wrote...Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is needed
Modifié par Unschuld, 26 février 2013 - 04:37 .
Um...What does Legion say or do that counters my point?Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Modin never said the brain was replaced.They clearly have them being that they are capable of complex tasks.
Legion says "Hi".
dreman9999 wrote...
Um...What does Legion say or do that counters my point?
dreman9999 wrote...
You have to be aware to be comfused.
You have to have some form of awarness to repond to stimuli.Addedit was reaching out to harbinger before harbinger left.Unschuld wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...Nothing says they can't develop one once freed. The pointis the they are capable of selfawarness..Thatisall that is needed
It collapses and responds to the massive sensory stimuli of a nuclear explosion behind it and turns. Newborn babies do this well before they have any sense of self. To say the collector general had "clear sense of remorse because it responded to stimuli is a really grasping assumtion.
Still not getting you point.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Um...What does Legion say or do that counters my point?
Complex tasks.
Now why don't you think about what you just typed.Unschuld wrote...
...Get back to me when you "redevelop your sense of self" after 50,000 years of enslavement because another thing just decided to re-enslave you.
I know. You refering to selfawarness and I was refering to awarness.jumpingkaede wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
You have to be aware to be comfused.
I think perhaps we are referring to different concepts.
dreman9999 wrote...
Still not getting you point.
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