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[SyK18]

Lets get one thing sorted out. A Collector is not a Prothean but a Prothean is a Collector.

[o Ventus]

SyK18 wrote...

Lets get one thing sorted out. A Collector is not a Prothean but a Prothean is a Collector.

No. Javik is not a Collector. In fact, Javik is seen actively fighting and killing Collectors.

[Jenonax]

TCGodzilla wrote...

Yes there is a difference. He was referring to slaves like Saren during the conversation. He doesn't mention anything of husks. But I gotta say nice catch on a technicality.

I think I'm going to go and listen to Vigil again and really analyse just what or who he was referring too not that I think it makes much difference but I'll bite I may have caught it wrongly.

However for reasons I've already stated the awakened Collector is a lore break.  Vigil and the remaining Prothean scientists knew first hand what the aftermath of the husks/indoctrinated was when they are released from Reaper thrall.  They were mindless and starved to death.  There is no soul there left to salvage.

[CaptainCommander]

Multiplayer isn't Lore! You win most matches you play so the Reapers would be defeated. The Collectors are dead! MP is not lore!

[TheRealJayDee]

Hm, after ME2 one might have expected something like "Awakened Collectors" might be worthy of a mention in the single player portion of the game. But what do I know...

[nevar00]

Well... uh... hm... I uh... I'd rather they just pretend multiplayer isn't canon anyway.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Hate on people for head cannon...

Come up with head cannon to explain why it doesn't break lore...



Seriously though how does the scene with the Collector General prove he has a personality?  Harbinger withdraws and his neck muscles go slack....there ya go that's why he "hangs his head".  Doesn't take a personality to do that, and assumes much less about the circumstance too...

Modifié par Dr. Megaverse, 26 février 2013 - 09:53 .

[phillip100]

CaptainCommander wrote...

The Collectors are dead! MP is not lore!

Just because a Collector ship and the Collector base are destroyed doesn't mean that all of the Collectors are dead. In the codex, it is stated that some Collectors are attacking Palaven.

[Dean_the_Young]

humes spork wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I'm pretty sure I know what I typed, I'm just not sure about the logic behind it. How do the collectors regain their sense of self (pre-indoctrinated protheans) after being enslaved for 50,000 years (genetically modified husks with organs/"soul"/etc replaced by tech) get FREED by be being enthralled.

Yeah, how does something get freed by being enthralled?

Might be a good question to ask if the background said anything about them actually being free.

I could think of a way: I'm not claiming it is, or it was Bioware's intent, but it could be done.

The Cypher is an existing device that could be used. It is, after all, the 'essence' of a species in a mind-compatible form. It's also a transferable thing (as Shiala demonstrated), and with or without Shiala a number of groups and persons have had access to Shepard's brain, or access to people who have had access to Shepard's brain. Liara, Cerberus, possible Shiala, the Leviathans themselves... once the Cypher is extracted, transfering it to Collectors is easy.


At that point, some comic/game could easily create a scenario of sorts: N7 forces lead a campaign against the Collector reinforcements that arrive from Dark Space. With the Leviathan's arrival, Thrall Devices are inserted into Collector Cruisers in a series of operations: the Leviathans target the local General/Harbinger conduit, or just individual Collectors, and get control of the Thralls. By themselves they aren't useful, though, so Hackett asks that Liara share up the Cypher (which she gets from Shepard), and uses it to put a personality in the thralls.

[BSpud]

I keep reading Awakened Collector as Awkward Collector, and then I giggle internally.

[Coder4Hire]

Lore breaking; didn't Mordin state that there's no soul / brain, etc?

I get that it's multiplayer ... it's supposed to be fun ... but they're ruining the series. What ever though. It's free, I'll play it. Not using any real $ for Mass Effect anything ever again though.

[111987]

Perhaps the Leviathans, after taking control of them, explained the origin of the Collector race to inspire them against the Reapers?

Eh. I agree with those who say they should have left them as thralls of the Leviathan.

[Sovereign330]

Liamv2 wrote...

Interesting but what about the mordin thing about there being no soul or brain

I think the idea of them fighting for a lost race is just a figure of speech. These collectors were freed from Harbinger's control and put under Leviathan's control with a thrall device. It's not that comforting but better they be on our side than theirs

[Sovereign330]

DanHarbinger wrote...

I wonder if, "most Collector forces died as a result", is a coy way of saying that there will be no Collectors in the SP DLC.

Likely referring to the forces the Leviathan's forces confronted. Not ALL of the collectors. Though I do not see them coming to SP either way

[Sovereign330]

Argolas wrote...

It's a lore break. Collectors are lost, Mordin explained it quite in detail.

But that won't bother those who listened to Bioware are started with ME3 to begin with.

I think it was just poorly worded and simply is referring to that they were once Protheans. They do not have free will. They can only be tools that are controlled...and I do not think they would mention Leviathan or a thrall device otherwise. Thrall devices allow Leviathans to control things. Not give them free will. That being said, it's quite obvious imo what they were getting at here, despite poor word choice?

[MegaSovereign]

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

[111987]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

A lot of people had asked for a Prothean multiplayer character.

At least they didn't find another hidden cache of Prothean soldiers in stasis or something.

[Jenonax]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

No it wasn't worth it.  Awakened Collectors potentially has huge consequences in the SP campaign, it has massive implications in both Control and Synthesis and yet it is confined to the MP where we'll have no explanation and no clarification on just what the hell they are.

Butchering the lore even further just for MP is an entirely baffling move in my opinion/

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

I'm curious if it'll talk like a Collector, like just make those bug noises or if they'll get the Paragon Lost treatment.

[o Ventus]

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

I'm curious if it'll talk like a Collector, like just make those bug noises or if they'll get the Paragon Lost treatment.

What did they sound like in PLost?

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'll laugh my ass off if this is what they sound like

[MegaSovereign]

o Ventus wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Was it even worth the retcon??

Collectors are humanoid figures. They don't add much in terms of gameplay styles. It seems like one massive gimmick.

I'm curious if it'll talk like a Collector, like just make those bug noises or if they'll get the Paragon Lost treatment.

What did they sound like in PLost?

They had a unique alien language. Like the Elites in Halo Reach (don't know why I used that analogy, just the first one that came to mind).

[o Ventus]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'll laugh my ass off if this is what they sound like

I scrunched my face in disgust.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Multiplayer is barely canon to begin with. Certain versions of people's Mass Effect didn't have Geth or Quarians in them to fight and yet Geth and Quarians are there.

Frankly I like the Awakened Collector. It's crazy and unique. Its lore justification is a bit janky, but it's not contradictory to anything major in the series so it works for what it is. 

Modifié par SurfaceBeneath, 27 février 2013 - 02:00 .

[MegaSovereign]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

Multiplayer is barely canon to begin with. Certain versions of people's Mass Effect didn't have Geth or Quarians in them to fight and yet Geth and Quarians are there.

Frankly I like the Awakened Collector. It's crazy and unique. Its lore justification is a bit janky, but it's not contradictory to anything major in the series so it works for what it is. 

Yea, it's not like indoctrination/huskification was a major concept of the antagonists' methodology or anything like that.

/sarcasm.

But yes, I never considered MP to be canon. I don't even promote characters anymore since it seems ridiculous that they can add up to be more than the Krogan and Turian asset combined.

MP integration with SP was an all around bad idea. It potentially threatens the lore in the SP and it limits the  design creativity of the MP developers.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 27 février 2013 - 02:06 .