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Here is the Awakened Collector Backstory Info... How well does it fit into lore?


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Frankly I like the Awakened Collector. It's crazy and unique. Its lore justification is a bit janky, but it's not contradictory to anything major in the series so it works for what it is. 


A bit janky?

It could potentially rewrite everything we know about a primary tool of the major antagonists, it has huge implications!  If indoctrination can be undone or overwritten or broken or whatever the hell Bioware is trying to get at with this 'awakened Collector' then thats massive and not something that should be confined to MP.

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Interesting but what about the mordin thing about there being no soul or brain


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A bit janky?

It could potentially rewrite everything we know about a primary tool of the major antagonists, it has huge implications!  If indoctrination can be undone or overwritten or broken or whatever the hell Bioware is trying to get at with this 'awakened Collector' then thats massive and not something that should be confined to MP.


shiala says hi

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I don't like the promotion system of MP into SP. Mechanical integration of the two modes was a mistake.

However I do like how MP's justification of fighting off Reaper forces throughout the galaxy. That's great and it works for the kind of mode it is. I find the concept of an MP "threatening" lore by introducing some characters that are a bit off the wall very silly. If you don't like it, ignore it. The MP mode has never intruded upon the SP space from a lore/story point of view.

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Jenonax wrote...
A bit janky?

It could potentially rewrite everything we know about a primary tool of the major antagonists, it has huge implications!  If indoctrination can be undone or overwritten or broken or whatever the hell Bioware is trying to get at with this 'awakened Collector' then thats massive and not something that should be confined to MP.


shiala says hi


So funny how people go on about how she should be a dlc squadmate or romance, but forgot that she's resisting indoctrination only becasue of the thorian spores connecting her to the other colonist.

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Jenonax wrote...
A bit janky?

It could potentially rewrite everything we know about a primary tool of the major antagonists, it has huge implications!  If indoctrination can be undone or overwritten or broken or whatever the hell Bioware is trying to get at with this 'awakened Collector' then thats massive and not something that should be confined to MP.


shiala says hi


She's still indoctinated in ME3.  It may be dampened by her connection to the other survivors of Feros but she is still indoctinated.  Its a slow process and from what we know, eventually she'll be just another thrall.

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She's still indoctinated in ME3.  It may be dampened by her connection to the other survivors of Feros but she is still indoctinated.  Its a slow process and from what we know, eventually she'll be just another thrall.


no proof either way that the collectors aren't in the same boat

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Jenonax wrote...

She's still indoctinated in ME3.  It may be dampened by her connection to the other survivors of Feros but she is still indoctinated.  Its a slow process and from what we know, eventually she'll be just another thrall.


no proof either way that the collectors aren't in the same boat


what we do know is that this particularly brand of collectors, like the leviathan enthrallment team, serve their new masters, the leviathans, after being taken from their old masters, the reapers

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Let's just declare ME3 to be an Alternate Universe continuity from ME1 and ME2 and make it official. No more lore contradictions because it's a different story. There, fixed!

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Jenonax wrote...

She's still indoctinated in ME3.  It may be dampened by her connection to the other survivors of Feros but she is still indoctinated.  Its a slow process and from what we know, eventually she'll be just another thrall.


no proof either way that the collectors aren't in the same boat


So what the Collector's magically found another Thorian and this somehow reversed thousands of years of torture, mutilation and indoctrination to give them back their minds?

The two things are not the same.  Shiala wasn't under indoctrination for very long in comparison with the Collector's 50,000 years.  Is there even another Thorian in existance?  

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So what the Collector's magically found another Thorian and this somehow reversed thousands of years of torture, mutilation and indoctrination to give them back their minds?


Levithian indoctrination overrode Reaper indoctrination.

Let's just declare ME3 to be an Alternate Universe continuity from ME1
and ME2 and make it official. No more lore contradictions because it's a
different story. There, fixed!


TBH you'd have to do this with Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 too.

Modifié par Gangnam Style, 27 février 2013 - 02:23 .


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It isn't a Collector, though, it's a Collector Captain. I think it's likely that Collector Captains are extremely rare and probably are more akin to Saren than a Husk or Marauder (Saren being more of a Reaper collaborator for field command).

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Jenonax wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

Jenonax wrote...

She's still indoctinated in ME3.  It may be dampened by her connection to the other survivors of Feros but she is still indoctinated.  Its a slow process and from what we know, eventually she'll be just another thrall.


no proof either way that the collectors aren't in the same boat


So what the Collector's magically found another Thorian and this somehow reversed thousands of years of torture, mutilation and indoctrination to give them back their minds?

The two things are not the same.  Shiala wasn't under indoctrination for very long in comparison with the Collector's 50,000 years.  Is there even another Thorian in existance?  


They dont have their minds back...the leviathans used the thrall device to shift masters...thats it..it was simply worded poorly...which bioware does a fair amount

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They've simply ignored what Mordin had to say on the matter before.
Just look at the Synthesis ending.


This.  Nothing is supposedly meant to fit with anything that came before.  Mordin was clear and made a great deal of sense on the whole thing-he put it succinctly.  There is no person left inside a Collector, because the tech took all that away.  The Zha'til are a big example of what likely would happen (especially if what Leviathan programmed the kid to think is true).  If Synthetics take over and will always kill all organics (and the Collectors show the synthetic part getting rid of the organic), then Synthesis won't end well.


Mordin didn't have all the variables, and the collector he was examining was either dead, or still under indoctrinations influence. And beyond that, is the fact that we don't know how extensive the study on prothean biology was up to that point, not enough to tell that they used touch to psychicly tell details about other creatures and sense them and their lingering presecne in enviroments. Perhaps, and this is my own thoughts on the matter, but perhaps there has been trace presences of the protheans inside the genetic makeup of the collectors, due to their own unique biology and ability to sense and gain details via touch.

Of course there is also the possibility that there may have been a memory shard like effect on them, showing them past information regarding the protheans that made them wish to fight. Perhaps they are acting out of vengence against the reapers, and are not truley brought back to life. Maybe they're even controlled by the leviathans and are indeed fighting for them, as many have insinuated.

Whatever the case, I don't really see this as something that must be a subject of hate or antagonism over.

Ah well, MP will be dead in a year anyway, so it doesn't affect much anyway.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 27 février 2013 - 02:31 .


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They dont have their minds back...the leviathans used the thrall device to shift masters...thats it..it was simply worded poorly...which bioware does a fair amount


Yes the bit about fighting for the spirit of their people or however that bit goes threw me off on a bit of a tangent.  Well thank God that bits not correct then, the lore implications hurt my head.  

Shifting masters is something I don't quite get not sure how it works but as long as it remains in MP and way, waaaaay away from the SP thats fine by me.

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Well since they did the imprints to Grunt in the tank why not imprint Javik the avatar of vengence into these collectors?

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Jenonax wrote...

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They dont have their minds back...the leviathans used the thrall device to shift masters...thats it..it was simply worded poorly...which bioware does a fair amount


Yes the bit about fighting for the spirit of their people or however that bit goes threw me off on a bit of a tangent.  Well thank God that bits not correct then, the lore implications hurt my head.  

Shifting masters is something I don't quite get not sure how it works but as long as it remains in MP and way, waaaaay away from the SP thats fine by me.


Shift in master is in SP...if you downloaded leviathan lol

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Jenonax wrote...

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They dont have their minds back...the leviathans used the thrall device to shift masters...thats it..it was simply worded poorly...which bioware does a fair amount


Yes the bit about fighting for the spirit of their people or however that bit goes threw me off on a bit of a tangent.  Well thank God that bits not correct then, the lore implications hurt my head.  

Shifting masters is something I don't quite get not sure how it works but as long as it remains in MP and way, waaaaay away from the SP thats fine by me.


Shift in master is in SP...if you downloaded leviathan lol


Goddamn it!

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Honestly? It looks to me like the Leviathans inflicted a form of Synthesis upon a few Collectors as an experiment.

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Jenonax wrote...

Sovereign330 wrote...


They dont have their minds back...the leviathans used the thrall device to shift masters...thats it..it was simply worded poorly...which bioware does a fair amount


Yes the bit about fighting for the spirit of their people or however that bit goes threw me off on a bit of a tangent.  Well thank God that bits not correct then, the lore implications hurt my head.  

Shifting masters is something I don't quite get not sure how it works but as long as it remains in MP and way, waaaaay away from the SP thats fine by me.


Shift in master is in SP...if you downloaded leviathan lol


You didnt read the Leviathan Enthrallment Team Asset it talks all about it

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You know, I'm not even surprised anymore..

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Sovereign330 wrote...

You didnt read the Leviathan Enthrallment Team Asset it talks all about it



What this one?

Okay, bit of a strange one.  Giving the Leviathans lots of deadly thralls really seems like a good idea to me,  Not like they could be equally as dangerous as the Reapers and its not like they started this whole thing or anythinglike that.

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Jenonax wrote...

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You didnt read the Leviathan Enthrallment Team Asset it talks all about it



What this one?

Okay, bit of a strange one.  Giving the Leviathans lots of deadly thralls really seems like a good idea to me,  Not like they could be equally as dangerous as the Reapers and its not like they started this whole thing or anythinglike that.


Im just saying that is the part of the lore where this character is grounded. The fighting for lost race is figurative in the sense that this race that was once prothean is opposing the reapers once more like they used to in the last cycle...the collectors are the only real evidence besides javik of prothean existence. I think thats what that line was getting at. Free will with collectors is ludicrous. Leviathan thralls..not so much

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Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

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Would have been better if they were Leviathan controlled instead of freed.

Or even just crossed wires.

They retained some sort of instinctual intelligence, so all that would be needed is something that gets them to switch targets and fight against the Reapers instead of with them.

But that they somehow revert to having Prothean identities is just absurd. It's probably one of the stupidest descriptions they could have come up with.