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[Jassu1979]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

The fact people still debate and argue over which choice is preferable show how well it resonated.

Somebody's swallowed too many PR-pills...

[NeedsMoreTali]

Keatstwo wrote...

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't believe there is anything in need of fixing

of course not, you got the ending you wanted/expected/felt was logical.   and ****** off to the rest of us,  "shape your own story" my ****

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ENDED IT LIKE THAT BIOWARE, WRITE MY ENDING INSTEAD!!11

yeah, i know, in a game who's main bullet point was "your choices make a difference" I'm completely unreasonable to ask for an OPTION to have the happy ending i worked my butt off to make happen for three games.  not saying it shouldn't have had a sad depressing option, or even a couple like there were depending on what you did/didn't do or care about.  how hard would it have been to say "you maxed your ems?  awesome, you can win!". but its always fun to see people flash ****e like this and imply "i got my ending, im right, and your an idiot/psychopath fan for disagreeing". 

[adayaday]

M74 wrote...

1. let Shepard destroy the husks in fron of the Citadel beam
2. let his crew protect him whilst he is disabling / hacking the beam to shut it off
3. cut-scene Crucible is moving into place and is firing its energy towards the Reapers
4. the Crucible was built to destroy the Reapers - only the Reapers will be affected
5. happy ending for all of us and BioWare

So MEHEM?

[GiarcYekrub]

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't believe there is anything in need of fixing

of course not, you got the ending you wanted/expected/felt was logical.   and ****** off to the rest of us,  "shape your own story" my ****

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ENDED IT LIKE THAT BIOWARE, WRITE MY ENDING INSTEAD!!11

yeah, i know, in a game who's main bullet point was "your choices make a difference" I'm completely unreasonable to ask for an OPTION to have the happy ending i worked my butt off to make happen for three games.  not saying it shouldn't have had a sad depressing option, or even a couple like there were depending on what you did/didn't do or care about.  how hard would it have been to say "you maxed your ems?  awesome, you can win!". but its always fun to see people flash ****e like this and imply "i got my ending, im right, and your an idiot/psychopath fan for disagreeing". 

So in a game all about hard choices you want an easy option for the last decision of the game... riiiight

[Mcfly616]

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

[Dr_Extrem]

"hard" choices .. well a lot of people find those "choices" not hard at all.

[chmarr]

bioware cant fix the ending untill they figure out what to make the next mass effect game,

if they make it a sequel they could add a rescue mission where you hunt for shepard,

ifits a prequel then then could make the happy ending we all wanted

but a comment made by one of the forum posters saying that bioware is not a hivemind they all have a voice and all have input into the game, YET ex-bioware employee's who worked on ME3 said the original script had a much diffrent ending, BUT when it was leaked the ceo's decided to change it to punish the fans for reading it.

so yeah me3 WAS the best game of all but the ending is what actually killed the ENTIRE FRANCHISE, seriously i havent touched ANY of the mass effect games i own, why because of the ending and the lies from interviews by ceo's and staff over the game, denying a lot of stuff saying that wont happen and yet it did and they all claim they could not tell anyone about it.

sorry but the ME franchise is now dead thanks to spitfull, ignorant staff who say they listen to us but in reality they just do it for themself.

mass effect 3 had the potental to end with a bang but instead it went out like a dog fart in a lift.

[Ironhandjustice]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here is the thing here. Let's say you create an IP that becomes relatively popular, and by the time you get to the ending of the story you wanted to tell, lots of people end up hating it, and start bashing, and insulting you. Then those same people demand it to be different, and some might even threaten you with death if it doesn't get fixed. Would you give in to these demands, and change it from what you originally wanted, or do you stick with what you got, and let angry fans continue to stay angry? Honestly, I'm surprised we even got the EC in the first place.

If bioware wanted this ending, they should have played Deus Ex to get the SAME ENDING with the SAME CHOICES

xD

[Ironhandjustice]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

[UrgentArchengel]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here is the thing here. Let's say you create an IP that becomes relatively popular, and by the time you get to the ending of the story you wanted to tell, lots of people end up hating it, and start bashing, and insulting you. Then those same people demand it to be different, and some might even threaten you with death if it doesn't get fixed. Would you give in to these demands, and change it from what you originally wanted, or do you stick with what you got, and let angry fans continue to stay angry? Honestly, I'm surprised we even got the EC in the first place.

If bioware wanted this ending, they should have played Deus Ex to get the SAME ENDING with the SAME CHOICES

xD

That wasn't my question, I asked what would you do if you were being demanded to change how you wanted your IP to end.  This is a general question, not a question about Mass Effect, and Bioware.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 26 février 2013 - 02:27 .

[Mcfly616]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

you're comparing Thrones to Mass Effect? That's a bit of a stretch.


And I'd rather it not end like LotR or Thrones. I'm just fine with Bioware drawing from classic sci fi, and paying homage to it's roots.


It seems like many people wanted an "Independence Day" ending. That's been done many times as well. But I'm sure nobody would be calling bull**** if that were the type of ending we got. It's safe to say that the Foundations Edge ending has been used far less often than the typical Independence Day one. Making it far less cliche. To which I'm glad. It wasn't the ending I expected. I hated the original endings. But after the EC, I can't say that it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with it.

[Ironhandjustice]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Here is the thing here. Let's say you create an IP that becomes relatively popular, and by the time you get to the ending of the story you wanted to tell, lots of people end up hating it, and start bashing, and insulting you. Then those same people demand it to be different, and some might even threaten you with death if it doesn't get fixed. Would you give in to these demands, and change it from what you originally wanted, or do you stick with what you got, and let angry fans continue to stay angry? Honestly, I'm surprised we even got the EC in the first place.

If bioware wanted this ending, they should have played Deus Ex to get the SAME ENDING with the SAME CHOICES

xD

That wasn't my question, I asked what would you do if you were being demanded to change how you wanted in your IP to end.  This is a general question, not a question about Mass Effect, and Bioware.

Well, two options.

First: If I would a development studio, and I needed money to live, I would have changed it because, hey, I need to eat.

Second: If I would be a serious studio, I wouldn't have fired Drew Karpyshyn only to place a "inspired" ending. Considering that the ending idea is not mine, I would have no problem changing it.

[Ironhandjustice]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

you're comparing Thrones to Mass Effect? That's a bit of a stretch.


And I'd rather it not end like LotR or Thrones. I'm just fine with Bioware drawing from classic sci fi, and paying homage to it's roots.


It seems like many people wanted an "Independence Day" ending. That's been done many times as well. But I'm sure nobody would be calling bull**** if that were the type of ending we got. It's safe to say that the Foundations Edge ending has been used far less often than the typical Independence Day one. Making it far less cliche. To which I'm glad. It wasn't the ending I expected. I hated the original endings. But after the EC, I can't say that it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with it.

The comparison is only for lore purposes. The LOTR ending does not fit on Thrones.

You know how the original ending was? You build the crucible and the reapers explained you that they need to reap to avoid the end of the universe, that was going to be triggered by the Mass Effect fields (hey, it fits with the title!), so you have to choose between being "reapefied" to help them to solve the problem using all their knowledge and the human potential together(humans were intended to be one of most powerfull reaper due their variability), or just kill them and doom the universe (but save the people in your cycle)

This would have been an ORIGINAL ending.

[GiarcYekrub]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

you're comparing Thrones to Mass Effect? That's a bit of a stretch.


And I'd rather it not end like LotR or Thrones. I'm just fine with Bioware drawing from classic sci fi, and paying homage to it's roots.


It seems like many people wanted an "Independence Day" ending. That's been done many times as well. But I'm sure nobody would be calling bull**** if that were the type of ending we got. It's safe to say that the Foundations Edge ending has been used far less often than the typical Independence Day one. Making it far less cliche. To which I'm glad. It wasn't the ending I expected. I hated the original endings. But after the EC, I can't say that it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with it.

The comparison is only for lore purposes. The LOTR ending does not fit on Thrones.

You know how the original ending was? You build the crucible and the reapers explained you that they need to reap to avoid the end of the universe, that was going to be triggered by the Mass Effect fields (hey, it fits with the title!), so you have to choose between being "reapefied" to help them to solve the problem using all their knowledge and the human potential together(humans were intended to be one of most powerfull reaper due their variability), or just kill them and doom the universe (but save the people in your cycle)

This would have been an ORIGINAL ending.

Glad they didn't do that

[Ironhandjustice]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

you're comparing Thrones to Mass Effect? That's a bit of a stretch.


And I'd rather it not end like LotR or Thrones. I'm just fine with Bioware drawing from classic sci fi, and paying homage to it's roots.


It seems like many people wanted an "Independence Day" ending. That's been done many times as well. But I'm sure nobody would be calling bull**** if that were the type of ending we got. It's safe to say that the Foundations Edge ending has been used far less often than the typical Independence Day one. Making it far less cliche. To which I'm glad. It wasn't the ending I expected. I hated the original endings. But after the EC, I can't say that it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with it.

The comparison is only for lore purposes. The LOTR ending does not fit on Thrones.

You know how the original ending was? You build the crucible and the reapers explained you that they need to reap to avoid the end of the universe, that was going to be triggered by the Mass Effect fields (hey, it fits with the title!), so you have to choose between being "reapefied" to help them to solve the problem using all their knowledge and the human potential together(humans were intended to be one of most powerfull reaper due their variability), or just kill them and doom the universe (but save the people in your cycle)

This would have been an ORIGINAL ending.

Glad they didn't do that

You opinion. If you prefer to see a 5 minute written ending...

[Mcfly616]

Ironhandjustice wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Ironhandjustice wrote...


@GiarkYekrub You think so? Take a look to the deus ex and asimov's edge of foundation novel endings.

Tell me later.

The book you speak of is called "Foundations Edge" which is the 4th book in Asimov's Foundation series. The ending does take inspiration from it. However I fail to see the point you are trying to make, as it seems quite negative.

Not english native, I made a translation from my own language.

To be inspired, is being too indulgent.

In the book, the main character can:

-DESTROY the second foundation
-CONTROL the first foundation
-MAKE SYNTHESIS with the machines.
-REFUSE to take a decision.

Only inpired? really?

And you have seen deus ex endings?

Of course I'm being negative. If you read Game of Thrones, and the book ends with Frogo Tyrion throwing a ring into a volcano, what would you say about Game of Thrones?

you're comparing Thrones to Mass Effect? That's a bit of a stretch.


And I'd rather it not end like LotR or Thrones. I'm just fine with Bioware drawing from classic sci fi, and paying homage to it's roots.


It seems like many people wanted an "Independence Day" ending. That's been done many times as well. But I'm sure nobody would be calling bull**** if that were the type of ending we got. It's safe to say that the Foundations Edge ending has been used far less often than the typical Independence Day one. Making it far less cliche. To which I'm glad. It wasn't the ending I expected. I hated the original endings. But after the EC, I can't say that it doesn't make sense. And I'm fine with it.

The comparison is only for lore purposes. The LOTR ending does not fit on Thrones.

You know how the original ending was? You build the crucible and the reapers explained you that they need to reap to avoid the end of the universe, that was going to be triggered by the Mass Effect fields (hey, it fits with the title!), so you have to choose between being "reapefied" to help them to solve the problem using all their knowledge and the human potential together(humans were intended to be one of most powerfull reaper due their variability), or just kill them and doom the universe (but save the people in your cycle)

This would have been an ORIGINAL ending.

Glad they didn't do that

You opinion. If you prefer to see a 5 minute written ending...

I'm well aware of the Dark Energy plot. Which was scrapped. I would've been just fine with that final choice as well. Imo it wouldve been even more epic. However, the Dark Energy plot isn't without its flaws, and would certainly need to be reworked.

The main issue being the fact that the Reapers created the Mass Relays, which emit Dark Energy. Well, that's pretty counterproductive considering their whole purpose is to stop the spread of Dark Energy.....and yet they've built structures that spread it? Yeah.....the Dark Energy plot is by no means perfect. In needed some major work. But I have no doubt it could've worked well.


We'll never know. And the ending is fine as it is now. Still has themes drawn from Mass Effect since the beginning. Whereas Dark Energy was introduced by several lines of dialogue in ME2.

[TK514]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

That wasn't my question, I asked what would you do if you were being demanded to change how you wanted your IP to end.  This is a general question, not a question about Mass Effect, and Bioware.

Well, if I cared about my fans, my IP, or my reputation, I'd take the route Bethesda did with Fallout 3.

But BioWare didn't even have to go that far.  The problem I see with most pro-enders who are against a happy/triumpant ending is that they treat it like a binary choice.  "Either you have the endings as they are, or you have a happy ending."  Frankly, that's not the case.  If BioWare added a 5th choice, all the current endings could remain in place for those that like their tragedy, and there would be an ending for those that wanted to continue Shepard's trend of beating the odds, remaining true to his principles, and walking away from it with a win.

One need look no further than another BioWare product, Dragon Age: Origins, to see that a game can offer both a happy and a sad ending that make narrative sense and satisfy different segments of the playerbase.  Just because I always choose to let my Wardens die doesn't mean that those who chose for theirs to live are wrong, nor does their having that choice detract in any way from my experience.

[AlanC9]

adayaday wrote...

M74 wrote...

1. let Shepard destroy the husks in fron of the Citadel beam
2. let his crew protect him whilst he is disabling / hacking the beam to shut it off
3. cut-scene Crucible is moving into place and is firing its energy towards the Reapers
4. the Crucible was built to destroy the Reapers - only the Reapers will be affected
5. happy ending for all of us and BioWare

So MEHEM?

That's the thing. If Bio had wanted a happy ending they would have made one in the first place.

I'm a little confused by the OP's point 2. Why is Shepard shutting off the beam? Don't we want more troops on the Citadel if we can get them there?

[AlanC9]

TK514 wrote...
But BioWare didn't even have to go that far.  The problem I see with most pro-enders who are against a happy/triumpant ending is that they treat it like a binary choice.  "Either you have the endings as they are, or you have a happy ending."  Frankly, that's not the case.  If BioWare added a 5th choice, all the current endings could remain in place for those that like their tragedy, and there would be an ending for those that wanted to continue Shepard's trend of beating the odds, remaining true to his principles, and walking away from it with a win.

Doesn't work. Then the tragic ending is just a screw-up.

[Kel Riever]

dorktainian wrote...

if only they'd learn story structure.....

I was thinking more things like high school science and english.

How breathing works.

What computer code does (irony...).

What the word, 'Choice,' means.

Like that.  Also, reading before writing helps.  Reading books that is. 

They got gameplay right.  That's why the biggest complaint over on the MP forums right now is just for more Salarians.  There are also no in game cut scenes or Kai Leng in MP mode, either....

Modifié par Kel Riever, 26 février 2013 - 03:01 .

[Sanunes]

No matter what anyone does people are going to be upset or say how evil EA is, so why should they upset the people that are fine with how the game ends now for I really don't think the BSN can be used to accurately gauge the feedback on the game.

I have seen too many forums and websites and they just aren't related to Mass Effect that no matter what EA or a company that is part of EA does or doesn't do they are going to be upset and demand changes or use it as an example of how they hate the gaming community.

[Nykara]

Keatstwo wrote...

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't believe there is anything in need of fixing

of course not, you got the ending you wanted/expected/felt was logical.   and ****** off to the rest of us,  "shape your own story" my ****

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ENDED IT LIKE THAT BIOWARE, WRITE MY ENDING INSTEAD!!11

Ohhh how much that scene in that movie made me cringe!!!

[Nykara]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

Keatstwo wrote...

NeedsMoreTali wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't believe there is anything in need of fixing

of course not, you got the ending you wanted/expected/felt was logical.   and ****** off to the rest of us,  "shape your own story" my ****

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ENDED IT LIKE THAT BIOWARE, WRITE MY ENDING INSTEAD!!11

yeah, i know, in a game who's main bullet point was "your choices make a difference" I'm completely unreasonable to ask for an OPTION to have the happy ending i worked my butt off to make happen for three games.  not saying it shouldn't have had a sad depressing option, or even a couple like there were depending on what you did/didn't do or care about.  how hard would it have been to say "you maxed your ems?  awesome, you can win!". but its always fun to see people flash ****e like this and imply "i got my ending, im right, and your an idiot/psychopath fan for disagreeing". 

So in a game all about hard choices you want an easy option for the last decision of the game... riiiight

Its better then the broken - star kid brat thing that made no sense and was full of plotholes - ending

[Ticonderoga117]

BioWare already expressed that they won't because... well coheasive narratives are so lame, am I right? They "tried" with the EC, and completely missed the mark. As it stands, we will never get a logical and fitting end. Instead, we are left with what we have.

[macrocarl]

I love the endings the way they are and I love them even more with the EC. Also it's done. PS it's done. Move on. Get a new game.