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[Tirigon]

TSamee wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

I want the ending in which Teagan sleeps with EVERY Fereldan, no matter of their gender,

Tirigon, now you're just being absurd.
We all know that Teagan has slept with every worthwhile Fereldan.

In my wish-ending he has slept with the unimportant ones too. And with the males.

Besides, there is the possibility that they base the ending on my Playthrough. That would mean Teagan tried to sleep with Shianni and I cut off his dick for that. Afterwards I turned him into a frog, cooked him and fed him to Genitivi.
That´s what happens if someone tries to cheat on me with Shianni!!!!

:devil::devil::devil::devil::devil::devil:


*Undead Genitivi nods approvingly and chews on an obviously human bone*

[T1l]

It's interesting to hear why people decide to put Bhelen on the throne; and it's usually because he's anti-caste and pro-trade, both good qualities. He is, however, a tyrant and he has zero claim to the throne. His claim is by blood, and that's not how the Dwarves have ever chosen a king.

Endrin himself said, on his death-bed (likely poisoned by Bhelen) that he never wanted to see Bhelen rule and he made Harrowmont swear that he would do everything within his power to stop that from happening. I have a hard time not letting my conscious get the better of me, despite knowing the future of Dwarven society.

The Caradin/Branka situation is equally difficult for similar reasons, but I digress. Interesting to hear the other side of the coin, anyway.

[Bibdy]

Bhelen ends up being a very successful leader, advancing against the Darkspawn and reclaiming territory, while Harrowmont is weak-willed and the Dwarves lose territory under his rule.



In this case, it takes a despot to get **** done right.

[errant_knight]

They won't pick a canon ending, I don't think, because it would defeat the whole point of the game design. It's more likely that they will move to entirely different characters in a different part of the world when juggling the choices becomes unwieldy. It's at least one reason that only one (if any) of the companions will be returning as playable in The Awakening. Everyone will think that their own favorite ending should become canon. I know which one I think should be canon, but there are vocal others who would disagree.

[Tirigon]

T1l wrote...

It's interesting to hear why people decide to put Bhelen on the throne; and it's usually because he's anti-caste and pro-trade, both good qualities. He is, however, a tyrant and he has zero claim to the throne. His claim is by blood, and that's not how the Dwarves have ever chosen a king.

Endrin himself said, on his death-bed (likely poisoned by Bhelen) that he never wanted to see Bhelen rule and he made Harrowmont swear that he would do everything within his power to stop that from happening. I have a hard time not letting my conscious get the better of me, despite knowing the future of Dwarven society.

The Caradin/Branka situation is equally difficult for similar reasons, but I digress. Interesting to hear the other side of the coin, anyway.

The only reason I put Bhelen on the throne was because I planned to play a noble Dwarf next and wanted to see the differences between Harrowmont and Bhelen. So I chose Bhelen first because it´s better than to make Bhelen king as his betrayed brother.

That´s it. Bhelen is a sucker.

[Raoune]

T1l wrote...

Raoune wrote...

I would have thought, though it is quite minor, that Bhelen being king of Orzammar is more likely that Harrowmont.

I don't see why you wouldn't chose Bhelen if you wern't a Dwarven Noble (though it crushed me helping him. He looks pimp in the crown though).

Other than that, it all sounds very likely.

Yeah, I was in two minds about that. In my most recent playthough I helped Harrowmont and, in the end, dispite him ostracising the Dwarves in trade and almost shutting off Orzammar from the surface completely, he did name me his successor - that's about as good as you can get for a Dwarf Noble considering the alternative, Bhelen.

I was thinking about it from the perspective from a Human Noble, though - Harrowmont, from a "good" Humans' perspective, is going to be the logical choice. He's truthful and just. He's traditional and respectful. The outcome, however, is unfortunate.

Ah, you see from my Human Noble perspective Bhelen has the right, as he is blood.

[Joseph Silver]

I'm voting for Dark Ritual so I can cast Hypnotic Specter on my first turn.

[TSamee]

errant_knight wrote...

They won't pick a canon ending, I don't think, because it would defeat the whole point of the game design. It's more likely that they will move to entirely different characters in a different part of the world when juggling the choices becomes unwieldy. It's at least one reason that only one (if any) of the companions will be returning as playable in The Awakening. Everyone will think that their own favorite ending should become canon. I know which one I think should be canon, but there are vocal others who would disagree.

Yeah, I don't think they will either. It would make you feel pretty powerless if suddenly all your decisions meant nothing, and you were shoehorned into someone else's timeline.

Having said that, I believe that BioWare are perfectly capable of managing choices like this- they ARE that good

[T1l]

Raoune wrote...

Ah, you see from my Human Noble perspective Bhelen has the right, as he is blood.

Your Human Noble is ignorant of Dwarven tradition? Interesting. Even Humans don't always choose a King by blood. Alistair wasn't automatically put on the throne when Calin died, despite the similar civil-war-like state that their society was thrown in to. I'm not so sure a Human would be so ready to put Bhelen on the throne. The Grey Warden would have surely done some research into Dwarven politics before plunging head first into them.

Still, Bhelen is at no point displayed to any character from any Origin as honest. Ever. He's always underhanded from the very first meeting with his second - why a "good" Human Noble would put Bhelen on the throne without hind-sight of 20/20, I find hard fully understand.

[FireDragon076]

They won't pick a canon ending, I don't think, because it would defeat the whole point of the game design. It's more likely that they will move to entirely different characters in a different part of the world when juggling the choices becomes unwieldy.

Under that logic the choices you make don't matter either, you just get to pretend they do.  Why not just go through with canonizing things?  I think your right when you point out things will get unwieldy when they have to program a story line/character for every decision you make.  It would take forever to make, the game would be too huge to put on one disc thus increasing the cost of production, the cost of programming and paying voice actors would become to much.  I don't think they would have such a loyal fan base if Dragon Age 4 cost $150.  Bottom line is a company is there to make money (if they are not they go broke and go away), looks like a canonized ending.

[InvaderErl]

My Human Noble can't put Bhelen on the throne since the idea of murdering one's own father for advancement is repellent, that and Bhelen's treachery is a little too similar to the underhandedness of Arl Howe.

[TSamee]

FireDragon076 wrote...

They won't pick a canon ending, I don't think, because it would defeat the whole point of the game design. It's more likely that they will move to entirely different characters in a different part of the world when juggling the choices becomes unwieldy.

Under that logic the choices you make don't matter either, you just get to pretend they do.  Why not just go through with canonizing things?  I think your right when you point out things will get unwieldy when they have to program a story line/character for every decision you make.  It would take forever to make, the game would be too huge to put on one disc thus increasing the cost of production, the cost of programming and paying voice actors would become to much.  I don't think they would have such a loyal fan base if Dragon Age 4 cost $150.  Bottom line is a company is there to make money (if they are not they go broke and go away), looks like a canonized ending.

If our decisions don't actually affect the overarching plot in any way, and are purely contained individually between canonised endings and beginnings, then what's the point? Choice is a massive part of Dragon Age, and showing the player outright that it doesn't matter, and that consequences don't carry over if they're not canonised is basically removing one of the main draws of the game.

"You can make all these choices, and they've all got consequences and cool stuff, but in the end it doesn't matter at all. Sounds good, eh?"

Yes. Of course. 

To be honest, I understand that, if every little choice you make in DA has a consequence in the sequel, it will all add up, and be impossible to manage. However, I'd like to know what my major decisions did. Say, for example, that I sided with Bhelen. I did this hoping desperately that he would ultimately make Orzammar more prosperous all round, despite using underhanded means and being a general all-round douchebag. Now if the canon says Harrowmont became king, then we've just got old Orzammar, with all its old problems amplified. More rigid Caste systems, traditional views being enforced, people resorting to ancient dogma because they don't believe in modern discovery. I made a choice for a better Orzammar. Please don't cut it down.

[T1l]

TSamee wrote...

If our decisions don't actually affect the overarching plot in any way, and are purely contained individually between canonised endings and beginnings, then what's the point?

You play to be entertained. Ask yourself the same question about any other video game you have ever played.

[Tirigon]

They should make sure that your choices do matter. It would simply suck too much if they don´t.



For example, I really don´t want to play in a world in which the situations of elves and mages have not improved or are even worse.

[TSamee]

Sorry, the first statement in that post was poorly thought out. My main point is that I play games like DA because I'm truly entertained more by seeing the consequences of my actions play out than I am by, say, the combat. Removing the feeling of consequence completely eliminates one of the main draws that the game has for me. Although, if the ending to DA1 became canonised, there would obviously be more decisions to be made in the sequel, and they would be equally satisfying.



Though there is an argument behind what I'm saying, it's not particularly intelligent or viable, and thus I'll shut up



The best I can do at this time of night is give my personal opinion, and I've done enough of that.

[Ginasue]

The beauty of this game is that if you make a choice, and you really don't like the outcome of that chice, you can go back to a save point, and redo your choice.

I've played the game a couple of times now. First time, I did Harrowmount as King, Second time the other guy. I'm playing the game again, and when I get there, I will then have to weigh what I know against what I feel is right.

One of them used blackmail, one of them used things to two different people to get there vote.

The way I look at it, is neight really is a good person, they have evil in them and will do what ever it takes to get to be King.

If you chose one over the other, the other one sends out his men to try and kill you.

[Bibdy]

Wait, Harrowmont did what? If you're talking about offering the same land to both Dace and the other guy (Volney?) those were forged documents by Bhelen's underling. If you start to work for Bhelen, but take those documents to the Shaperate dude, he'll confirm their lack of authenticity.

Harrowmont is the genuine good guy, but a bad choice for the dwarves in the long-run because he doesn't have the 'stones' to rule the people and push them to greater glory.

Bhelen may be an under-handed intergalactic space d-bag, but he gets the job done well.

Modifié par Bibdy, 11 janvier 2010 - 07:25 .

[Kalfear]

Human Noble (warrior or Rogue, probably warrior paladin type)
save the mages
Harrowmont as king of Dwarves
Destroy Anvil
Save the werewolves and elfs by ending curse
Save Arl of Redcliffe and his son
Kill the slavers
Kill Loghain
Allistar on Throne
Toss Anora (thou I get a certain preverse pleasure outta making Allistar marry her)
do dark ritual
ROMANCE MORRIGAN (I think this the cannon as it explains the dark ritual, the opposite puts hero in very bad light, plus the Morrigan romance is heart breaking which is always good for story)

Thats the cannon and Id be very very VERY surprised if it wasnt if Bioware ever actually canonized this (which they will not).

[RangerSG]

ReubenLiew wrote...

Rock falls on everybody. Everyone dies.

This isn't Obsidian, so no.

[Joshd21]

There would be no canon.



Why



Because this is NOT star wars the knights of old repbluic

[ReubenLiew]

There is supposed to be a DA comic coming out, I think.

Male human noble is canon. He also dual wields greatswords.

Hopefully it's actually a story that doesn't involve the actual game plotline.

[frylock23]

Interesting, I played "good" Warden because I feel slimey when I don't. I put Harrowmount on the throne because after seeing the initial tasks to earn the trust of the two, I felt that Bhelen's tactic of spreading lies and misinformation was not the sort of thing a good ruler engages in. A good ruler has others in his employ that do it for him (see Arl Howe). That leaves the ruler to be good in the eyes of his people while still allowing him an avenue to get things done by any means necessary if he must. A ruler who does his own dirty work in a society that allows the citizens some say is a ruler who quickly loses public confidence.



I also chose Harrowmount because he had military experience and also because he wasn't campaigning on grand social upheaval. With a Blight in full swing, the last thing you want is for the guys manning the traditional battle lines to be caught up in their own social turmoil rather then being able to concentrate on the task at hand.

[gx99-nq9y]

every one fals in the sky accept those who are in orzommar

[errant_knight]

FireDragon076 wrote...

They won't pick a canon ending, I don't think, because it would defeat the whole point of the game design. It's more likely that they will move to entirely different characters in a different part of the world when juggling the choices becomes unwieldy.

Under that logic the choices you make don't matter either, you just get to pretend they do.  Why not just go through with canonizing things?  I think your right when you point out things will get unwieldy when they have to program a story line/character for every decision you make.  It would take forever to make, the game would be too huge to put on one disc thus increasing the cost of production, the cost of programming and paying voice actors would become to much.  I don't think they would have such a loyal fan base if Dragon Age 4 cost $150.  Bottom line is a company is there to make money (if they are not they go broke and go away), looks like a canonized ending.

No, it still has and effect because they can make reference to events in individual timelines, and have them make a difference in terms of new events.

[Valmy]

T1l wrote...

It's interesting to hear why people decide to put Bhelen on the throne;

I did it twice.

Once because my character was a dwarf commoner and suddenly his struggle for power was my family's struggle for power.

Secondly because my City Elf took Zevran's advice not having a strong opinion on the matter herself.