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[Barneyk]

How is it different standars of beauty when all the females are thin with big breasts and a well defined slim waist?

Really dissapointing to see Bioware not taking a better and more active stance with this...

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*grabs popcorn and waits*

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Barneyk wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

*grabs popcorn and waits*

Thanks for the support.

EDIT: In seriousness though, it is something to think about.
Thanks for listening.

I don't want to accidently derail the thread, i'm actually interested in where this discussion will end up.  I have my own thoughts on this but will wait a bit before posting them.

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Barneyk wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

I don't want to accidently derail the thread, i'm actually interested in where this discussion will end up.  I have my own thoughts on this but will wait a bit before posting them.

I don't think that the females are to overly sexualised, they all look fine.
But to put a claim of "different standards of beauty" on it really feels like one is missing the point.

The dward woman might not be slim compared to the others, but that is still what makes her attractive, she has a slim, well defined waist and pretty big boobs, by dwarf standards.

That is the common demoninator for the beauty in all the female characters there, a slim waist and boobs.
I find it sad that it is so one-dimensional.

I wouldn't have reacted if it wasn't for the "different standards of beauty" tag, that is something to really think about.

I will not get into discussion with the other people in this thread, I cannot keep civil when faced with some of the things some people say, so I choose not to.

And really, thanks for listening.

This is kind of where I am going on this, and I assume where the artist was as well.

"Different standards of beauty"  or how can we look at something and see the beauty in it, or work with it and exaggerate/bring out certain characteristics of the race.

Quick examples if you look closer at the picture, of things that would be different standards of beauty/not beauty for different people viewing it.

- Flat face/hunched-elongated neck of the Qunari male (let alone horns)
- How tall and athletic the Qunari female is (let alone grey skin)
- The thin and elongated face and body of the Elven male
- Female elfs thin shoulder width and long arms
- How short the female dwarf is
- The overly broad shoulders of the male dwarf, barrel chest, small height.

When I look at this I also think to myself about the world of thedas, it's harsh, most people do hard manual labour all day, war is constant, food is very healthy, exercise almost constant (theres no cars).  So most people would be in peak physical condition imo.

I've seen this picture before and I like it a lot.

Also, women have boobs, I don't think any in that picture are overly sexualized or completly out of wack.

And finally, it's exploring the different standards of beauty between the races, which i've highlighted above.

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Barneyk wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

This is kind of where I am going on this, and I assume where the artist was as well.

"Different
standards of beauty"  or how can we look at something and see the
beauty in it, or work with it and exaggerate/bring out certain
characteristics of the race.

Quick examples if you look closer at
the picture, of things that would be different standards of beauty/not
beauty for different people viewing it.

- Flat face/hunched-elongated neck of the Qunari male (let alone horns)
- How tall and athletic the Qunari female is (let alone grey skin)
- The thin and elongated face and body of the Elven male
- Female elfs thin shoulder width and long arms
- How short the female dwarf is
- The overly broad shoulders of the male dwarf, barrel chest, small height.

When
I look at this I also think to myself about the world of thedas, it's
harsh, most people do hard manual labour all day, war is constant, food
is very healthy, exercise almost constant (theres no cars).  So most
people would be in peak physical condition imo.

Also, women have boobs, I don't think any in that picture are overly sexualized or completly out of wack.

There are differences, but you miss the point.
Female beauty requires slim waist and boobs, and then there can be differences.
Slim waist and boobs is a prerequisite no matter what race you are, then other details differ in what is beautiful and not. That is the problem I have with this.

And peak physical condition is a valid point, but also misses the point. The kind of well defined slim waist is not a sign of peak physical condition.

And yes, women usually have boobs, more or less. And they are not completly out of whack, I wouldn't have any direct objection to that as an example without the tagline.
But if you wanna pull the card of being in peak physical shape and not eating to much unhealthy stuff, smaller boobs is quite a common result of that.

I think it is worth reflecting about, if you wanna show different standards of beauty but every single female still have a slim waist and big boobs, that says a lot about what "beauty" is since that part doesn't differ.
That standard is constant.

That is what this image says, intentional or not. And that is something worth reflecting over imo.

EDIT: I could analyze this deeper and also get into the male body-image. But that is more in the details, and if I can't get anywhere with the big easy points first, I won't bother going into it deeper.

All I am asking is that one might reflect about things when portraying "different standards of beauty".

To compare the differences between races they all had to have a standard/constant state.  ie. same level of fitness, whether that would have been this or more skinny or less etc.

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Barneyk wrote...

MoeRayShep wrote...
Count me in the "I don't think OP has a valid point" camp.

Also known as the "we dont know what we are talking about" camp.

MoeRayShep wrote...
OP's seeing a problem with female body types but not males is really just a reflection of his/her own hangups. One isn't intrinsically more "normalized" or "sexualized" than the other.

I never said anything like that, so, it says more about your lack of reading ability that you wanna make that point.

MoeRayShep wrote...
I would also like to point out that women's waist size isn't as relevant to biologically derived ideals as the waist:hip ratio, which shows some variation across cultures but is pretty universally idealized somewhere between 0.6 and 0.8.

So, here you agree with me that they all follow the same standard of beauty?
Yet you disagree with me and don't think I have a point?

Putting a smiley face at the end of your responses doesn't mean you can say whatever you want before hand.

Also, this thread is/has been for a while "IM RIGHT YOUR WRONG" disguised as a real debate/conversation for far too long.

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