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[Elessara]

I found myself unable to harden Alistair's personality. Mostly because I play a very goody goody character. I will help people. For no reason other than just to help them. I will give them money. I will refuse rewards. In every possible instance in which I can refuse a reward and just say, "Your thanks/happiness is enough." I do that.



I cannot in good faith tell Alistair that everyone is out for themselves when I so clearly do not act that way myself.

[Sandtigress]

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Haha yes, my character just experienced that. I'm waiting for Alistair to do the proposing this time around (didn't know that would happen with my first character) and I'm holding out on going back to camp until I get his strength high enough to wear the Warden commander's armor. 'Cause I think he really is just irresistable in that armor. Oddly, my Dalish elf would have waited until asked, while I think this one would do the propositioning, but oh well.

He won't ask until after you do his personal quest, just so you know.

I'm going to hold out on this playthrough until after the Landsmeet so I can get that embarassed dialogue I've heard about. So cute. However, I've played a few female characters in romances with Alistair (he's so addictive), and there are some trade-offs in the tent scene/love declaration.

If you're going to make him king, you really do need to harden him; however, if you harden him and don't initiate the tent scene yourself, you don't get a very fulfilling declaration of love (just the, "Before we go, have I told you that I love you? I did? Well, it won't kill you to hear it again."). If you initiate the tent scene instead of waiting for him, you'll get the proposition scene when he's in love with you after you do his personal quest, and it will be him declaring his love for you instead of asking you to spend the night. This is also where he'll say you're the only woman he's been with, and if he has his way, the last.

Alternatively, if he's at Love with you after he sees Goldanna and you choose NOT to harden him in the follow-up conversation, he'll declare his love in that conversation.

Can't have your cake and eat it too. But I much prefer the more mature "hardened" Alistair. Very take charge at the Landsmeet.

Already done his personal quest and hardened him, but I wasn't aware that the proposition scene was different depending on that.  Good thing I have a save point right before it! 

I LOVE it when he says "You're the first woman I've EVER spent the night with...and if I have my way, you'll be the last."  I got that with my Dalish elf since he was unhardened, and wasn't aware that you could still get it if he did the propositioning.  Off to try it when I get home!

[Freckles04]

Inzhuna wrote...

Alistair said he loved my char after the love scene which he initiated himself (and not in the after-goldanna conversation). I didn't harden him. He said something like 'This is why i love you! Wow, that wasn't difficult! I love you!"

Yeah, that's if you choose the "First smart comment and I'll feed them to the darkspawn" response. He says it, but it's not a serious, full-out declaration. The other discussions I mentioned, he comes out and says it without joking around...which is rare, for him.

Anyway, yes, enough Alistair romance talk.

More hidden dialogue options?

There are some good ones if you have a very high Cunning skill. For example, you get another dialogue option in the Tower of Ishal where you wonder how the darkspawn knew to attack the tower. You also get a funny response to Alistair's "raised by dogs" conversation.

....Aaaaand we're right back to Alistair. Sigh.

[Freckles04]

Sandtigress wrote...

Already done his personal quest and hardened him, but I wasn't aware that the proposition scene was different depending on that.  Good thing I have a save point right before it! 

I LOVE it when he says "You're the first woman I've EVER spent the night with...and if I have my way, you'll be the last."  I got that with my Dalish elf since he was unhardened, and wasn't aware that you could still get it if he did the propositioning.  Off to try it when I get home!

The proposition scene is different depending on whether you've already slept with him. Hardened or not doesn't seem to have an impact. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I don't think you can still get the "first woman I've ever spent the night with" dialogue if he does the propositioning.

[Elessara]

It's not Alistair's fault he has good dialogue options!

[Sandtigress]

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Already done his personal quest and hardened him, but I wasn't aware that the proposition scene was different depending on that.  Good thing I have a save point right before it! 

I LOVE it when he says "You're the first woman I've EVER spent the night with...and if I have my way, you'll be the last."  I got that with my Dalish elf since he was unhardened, and wasn't aware that you could still get it if he did the propositioning.  Off to try it when I get home!

The proposition scene is different depending on whether you've already slept with him. Hardened or not doesn't seem to have an impact. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

I don't think you can still get the "first woman I've ever spent the night with" dialogue if he does the propositioning.

Ahhh, that's what I figured.  I actually can't decide which version I like better.  I think the first/last woman thing is really sweet though!

[Lady of Lore]

I love when Oghren is drunk at camp and accuses the dog of stealing his pants.

[Sandtigress]

With enough persuade and cunning, you can get Bann Teagan to flirt with you at Redcliffe Village. He asks you if you're married. Unfortunately, my city elf kind of told him off, so I don't know how far you can get with it!

[Freckles04]

Sandtigress wrote...

Ahhh, that's what I figured.  I actually can't decide which version I like better.  I think the first/last woman thing is really sweet though!

Oh, I know. Everyone goes on about the tough moral choices the game challenges you with, but really, this is the toughest decision in Ferelden.

[Inzhuna]

What's this proposition scene you're talking about? You got me confused. Alistair doesn't propose to the PC - does he? o_O

[Freckles04]

Sandtigress wrote...

With enough persuade and cunning, you can get Bann Teagan to flirt with you at Redcliffe Village. He asks you if you're married. Unfortunately, my city elf kind of told him off, so I don't know how far you can get with it!

This is very fun! I haven't done it with a non-noble, but with a noble he's quite forward.

[Jannamarie]

One of my favorite conversations is with Zevran in the party when you enter the village of Haven. I don't remember the whole conversation, but Zevran says how it is in small towns that naughty things are happening and that he hopes it involves chains and that they invite him to join. If you have Wynne in the same party, she scolds him. It's absolutely hilarious! I just adore the writers of DA. Don't you?

[Freckles04]

Inzhuna wrote...

What's this proposition scene you're talking about? You got me confused. Alistair doesn't propose to the PC - does he? o_O

It's when he asks you to the tent. He tells you he wants to spend the night with you. You'll only get it when he's in love with you, you haven't slept with him yet, and you've completed his personal quest.

[Inzhuna]

Also, in the blackstone irregular quest where you deliver notices of death, do try to ask your companions to handle it for you

[Inzhuna]

Freckles04 wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

What's this proposition scene you're talking about? You got me confused. Alistair doesn't propose to the PC - does he? o_O

It's when he asks you to the tent. He tells you he wants to spend the night with you. You'll only get it when he's in love with you, you haven't slept with him yet, and you've completed his personal quest.

Oh right.. that's what the talk was about. I definitely need some sleep

[Freckles04]

Lady of Lore wrote...

I love when Oghren is drunk at camp and accuses the dog of stealing his pants.

Oghren's drunk camp-time dialogue is pure gold. The joke he tries to tell but can't because he's laughing too hard makes ME laugh every single time. I think there are a couple of instances where he refers to his pants, which he thinks the dog has stolen. And let's not forget the "Where do I get some sauce for that rump roast?" comment; I love how the response to that can be "Right here, you mad dwarven stallion"...which he approves, of course, right before passing out.

[Jannamarie]

I just did the Blackstone Irregulars with Morrigan, Sten, and the dog in the party and she tells the lady "Your man is dead, get over it!"

[Hyper Cutter]

eschilde wrote...

Sten has extra dialogue trees if you take him to the Circle.

I believe he has many. That "tell me about something you mentioned" option is apparently meant to be used after his casual comments when he's in your party...

Also, I once got a conversation in camp where a drunken Oghren mistakes you for Hespith and yells at you. I didn't get it on my next playthrough (first was Dwarf Noble, second was elf mage), so I assume it's female dwarf specific.

I'm also rather fond of the "(strength) punch the guard the hell out" option when you're in Fort Drakon.

[Hyper Cutter]

sorry about that, accidental double post...

Modifié par Hyper Cutter, 12 janvier 2010 - 02:44 .

[Elessara]

Hyper - it's not dwarf only. I got that from him on one of my human nobles. But not on another one ... so I'm not sure what triggers that conversation.

[Freckles04]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

I'm also rather fond of the "(strength) punch the guard the hell out" option when you're in Fort Drakon.

LOL! I haven't gotten this one. Heheh...I love Bioware.

[JosieJ]

Freckles04 wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

With enough persuade and cunning, you can get Bann Teagan to flirt with you at Redcliffe Village. He asks you if you're married. Unfortunately, my city elf kind of told him off, so I don't know how far you can get with it!

This is very fun! I haven't done it with a non-noble, but with a noble he's quite forward.

He's quite forward with a mage, too!  One of the responses is different: when he asks if you're married, you have an option to say "I'm a mage," and Teagan says that it's not forbidden for mages to marry.  Then you say something about a man having to be very brave to marry a mage and he says "I could think of several reasons why one would be so brave" before backing down and apologizing for being forward.

Elves in general, and Dalish elves in particular, get different dialogue in quite a few situations.  There's the boatman at the Circle Tower, who keeps saying insulting things about elves (Dalish or City, doesn't matter) and then tries to excuse himself by saying "but I don't mean anything bad by it."  There's also Leliana's comments on the Dalish where you can call her out for being ignorant, but that's pretty well known.  Talking to Ser Donall in Lothering about the Urn of Sacred Ashes, he'll be a little surprised that you don't already know about it and you can say that the Dalish don't really learn much about his religion.  Or, after talking to Alistair about Duncan and how Alistair wants to put up some kind of memorial, he'll ask about the Dalish way of honoring their dead.  Little stuff like that.

Freckles04 wrote...

Hyper Cutter wrote...

I'm also rather fond of the "(strength) punch the guard the hell out" option when you're in Fort Drakon.

LOL! I haven't gotten this one. Heheh...I love Bioware.

I haven't gotten that one, either!  I know high DEX characters have a different option instead--I wonder what characters with neither high STR or DEX end up with?  My mage hasn't gotten to that point yet.

Modifié par JosieJ, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:23 .

[Zavrian]

Do Orzammar before the Urn, so that you have Oghren in the party and the Guardian starts to do his "reading your past" thing on him. Oghren cuts him off--"Let me save you some time"--and in a very sober, matter-of-fact sort of way, he lists the ways he screwed up. It made me feel very sorry for him.



He also almost messed up the negotiations between Kolgrim and my morally ambugious Dwarven Commoner when I was trying to get the Reaver specialization.

[AntiChri5]

To save this thread from the Allistair fangirls....



Has anyone propositioned Morrigan, instead of her propositioning you? It is easy to get her approval high enough in Lothering that she invites you first time you talk to her in camp, but if you refuse her/dont have enough influence and initiate it youself later it is VERYdifferent.

[Hyper Cutter]

JosieJ wrote...

Or, after talking to Alistair about Duncan and how Alistair wants to put up some kind of memorial, he'll ask about the Dalish way of honoring their dead.  Little stuff like that.

You get that conversation regardless, I believe, it's just the possible answers that change.