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[sethroskull79]

OK so I found out to get this particular bow (one of the best if not the best) you need to kill the Smithy in Redcliffe anf get it from his replacement.  My question is, does the original guy (who's daughter you save in the castle) have anything for sale that makes it worth it to keep him alive?  Is Far Song better than anything the Original Smithy has for sale?  I don't remember what he sold, maybe Gloves or Boots of Dillegence, but that armor set pales in comparison to the other Massive sets.  And when do you get the option to kill him, cause I thought you needed him for supplying weapons to the town militia.

[KariTR]

You don't kill him, just don't speak with Valena when you happen across her in the castle. Later when you return to the smithy, there is a new proprietor as Owen hanged himself when Valena didnt return home.



The new smith has the bow at a whopping 128 gold. My rogue can look but can't touch



I cant remember seeing anything special in Owen's shop, but maybe others can.

[Wuxia]

The only thing worth mentioning that Owen sells is the Boots of Diligence. It's your call whether you want him to die for the bow. Marjolaine's Recurve is decent and free, though.

The Diligence set is the best heavy armor set in the game as far as I'm aware. Complete sets aren't always the right way to go, however, Evon the Great's Mail is quite good and isn't part of a set.

Modifié par Banon Loire, 11 janvier 2010 - 04:23 .

[-Conspirator]

But Marjolaine's Recurve can only be equipped by Leliana.

[Wuxia]

-Conspirator wrote...

But Marjolaine's Recurve can only be equipped by Leliana.

Are you sure? I've never noticed that. I'm sure I had it on my character once.

Edit: So it is - sorry about that!

Modifié par Banon Loire, 11 janvier 2010 - 04:25 .

[tetracycloide]

The best melee tanking boots in the game, Dilligence boots, are only available if Valena is returned to him safely.  Their status as 'best' is reguardless of if the rest of the set is worn.  Evon's mail, Dilligence boots, and gloves of Dilligence is better for tanking than either the full Dilligence set + set bonus or Evon's mail + superior dragonbone plate + the set bonus.

He also stocks a grandmaster hale rune, the only way to obtain one without high stealing and a lot of luck.

Modifié par tetracycloide, 11 janvier 2010 - 04:29 .

[sethroskull79]

I will look at the Bows on the Wiki. Mage's Eye is good, and I think there is another good bow, can't remember the name. I will have to buy the Felon's coat. What other good gear is there for an archer if I don't go Item set? Gloves, helms, boots, belts?

[sethroskull79]

Falon Din's Reach, Mage's Eye are nowhere as good as Far Song. It may be worth the 128 gold.

[swk3000]

According to the Wiki, Longbows use both Strength and Dexterity to determine damage. I'd end up using a Cunning Rogue, and they'd end up with the following equipment setup:



Helm: Helm of Honnleath

Gloves: Dalish Gloves

Body: The Felon's Coat

Feet: Silverhammer's Tackmasters

Belt: Andruil's Blessing

Amulet: Faulty Amulet

Ring 1: Key to the City

Ring 2: Dusk Ring



It worked for my Dagger/Dagger Cunning rogue, so it should work for a Cunning Archer, as well. I just had to swap out the Red Jenny Seekers for something else. I went with the Dalish Gloves, but you can use the Qunari Siege Gauntlets or the Gloves of Guile if you wish; both increase Armor Penetration.

[tetracycloide]

Helm: The long sight 5% ranged crit > +2 stats
Gloves: Red Jenny Seekers 15% crit mod > +1 dex why would you swap this out? crit mods work on regular crits too and archers have several abilities that automatically crit making it even more useful.
Amulet: The spellward, if you tank doesn't need it, has +5 willpower which is good if your archer wants to use more specials than just arrow of slaying per battle

The longbowman's belt is a decent stand in until you get andril's blessing and, if you want to use andril on a party memeber that will get more out of its stats, it can serve through endgame if necessary.

Modifié par tetracycloide, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:04 .

[JosieJ]

Far Song is by far the best bow available to the PC in the game (barring cheating).  You'll have to decide whether you think it's worth the cash, or worth losing out on the best tanking boots in the game.

My current PC is an archer, and I definitely think it was worth it for him.  Once I go back to my paused Human Noble warrior playthrough, I'll pass it up in favor of the boots, since I'll need those more and the best archer will then be Leliana, who gets Marjolaine's Recurve, another excellent bow, for free.

If you check out his character page, you can see what other equipment he's currently wearing.

[sethroskull79]

JosieJ, what spec did you choose? I went bard first, and I wish I had done Ranger First. I can't bring myself to use talent points on specs yet. I need to get the Lethality Line first.

[swk3000]

tetracycloide wrote...

Helm: The long sight 5% ranged crit > +2 stats

Fair enough. I operate on the theory that the Helm of Honnleath is something you want to equip to every PC character. It's that good. Still, I can see where you're coming from, and I do see it as a good move.

Gloves: Red Jenny Seekers 15% crit mod > +1 dex why would you swap this out? crit mods work on regular crits too and archers have several abilities that automatically crit making it even more useful.

Brain fart. I forgot that it said Crit/Backstab damage. I just finished a backstabbing rogue, so I only paid attention to the Backstab part of it.

Amulet: The spellward, if you tank doesn't need it, has +5 willpower which is good if your archer wants to use more specials than just arrow of slaying per battle

The Spellward is nice, but we're already looking at the Far Song, the Felon's Coat, and the Andruil's Blessing. I was weary of adding another expensive item. Also, I prefer the straight Mental and Physical Resistance bonuses provided by the Faulty Amulet (+20 to both), as it makes it that much harder for my character to be affected by attacks that perform Resistance checks. That's me, though. The Spellward is a very solid choice.

[swk3000]

sethroskull79 wrote...

JosieJ, what spec did you choose? I went bard first, and I wish I had done Ranger First. I can't bring myself to use talent points on specs yet. I need to get the Lethality Line first.

Personally, I'd go with Duelist for the +10 Attack provided by Dueling, and the +10 Defense provided by Dueling+Keen Defense. I'd probably go with Bard for the secondary just for Song of Courage.

Assassin is built more for a Backstabber, and Bows can't backstab, so it's out, and I've never been a fan of Ranger.

[tetracycloide]

Ranger is good if you want to spend most of your time micromanaging your pet. When you do micro the pet a lot it's better damage than any of the other options so it's got some pay off.

From a resistances standpoint I would think an archer would have the most trouble with ranged resistance checks and the spellward's 30% spell resistance would be better than mental or physical.  However I can understand not considering it part of the build given the expense of all the items combined.

Modifié par tetracycloide, 11 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[sethroskull79]

Should I invest in the stealth line? I am not sure I can fit it in my plans. So many choices.

[tetracycloide]

It really depends. Stealth is more utility but maxing out all three lines of archery talents is a must for damage dealing. Order would probably depend on which you want to have sooner. I'd say yes, get stealth and get it early for stealing but that's just me.

[swk3000]

I had a similar problem working Stealth into my Backstabbing build, but I don't regret doing so. If you decide to go the Cunning route, you're going to be rather fragile. Being able to Stealth in the middle of combat to drop threat is going to be a life-saver. In fact, I'd say get Stealth upgrades as soon as you can, and get everything else later.



If you're going to run a Dexterity rogue, on the other hand, then your Defense is going to pretty high. You won't need Stealth because you're never getting hit.

[sethroskull79]

Well I think I am going the cunning/dex route, so both will be pretty high. I only need 3 more arhcer talents and 1 more devise mastery talents, then I need to get to lethality which is 3 more. So thats 7 and I will get 3 extra talents from tomes, I plan to go level 22 or so, maybe more. I am at level 10 now, so with 12 more talents from leveling and 3 from tomes, thats 15. I think I am good.

[JosieJ]

swk3000 wrote...

sethroskull79 wrote...

JosieJ, what spec did you choose? I went bard first, and I wish I had done Ranger First. I can't bring myself to use talent points on specs yet. I need to get the Lethality Line first.

Personally, I'd go with Duelist for the +10 Attack provided by Dueling, and the +10 Defense provided by Dueling+Keen Defense. I'd probably go with Bard for the secondary just for Song of Courage.

Assassin is built more for a Backstabber, and Bows can't backstab, so it's out, and I've never been a fan of Ranger.

I've chosen Ranger with another of my archer PCs (what can I say--I'm hooked on Dalish archers!), but on this one I went Bard, then Duelist.  I'm not sure why my profile isn't showing Bard, at least, as I have one point there.  I haven't put any points into Duelist yet; I want to finish out the archery talents first.

I did invest in the full Stealth line this time; last time I only went up to Combat Stealth and the first time I didn't use Stealth that much (only took the 1st level).