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[Melca36]

I have no interest in this and I am a woman.

Not every women desires motherhood you know.

[Melca36]

shygravel wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

shygravel wrote...
RoWitDAS?  What is that? 

Role of Women in the Dragon Age Series

Ooooooooh. Right, yeah.... hrm... I'm a woman gamer and a mother of two young sons: I wouldn't mind storylines in the game that involved pregnancy/children, even with risk of loss, so long as none of it was forced on the player/PC. But on the flip side I don't see it being something well executed in the game, either for an NPC or a PC and, like some others have said, if it can't be done well, I'd rather not have it at all. 

I don't understand the reticence to speak of the subject though: What's wrong with the possibility of a pregnant NPC? Or PC? Given the truths of a high-stress situation, it's entirely possible a female PC/NPC might not even realize they were pregnant until the games end, even if the game covered a few/several months: High stress/highly physically demanding situations often lead women to cease menstruation and the like, IRL, so it's not like the classic give-away would always be an option. And the risks of miscarriage or the death of a child can be handled dramatically, but decently: I mean, in DA: O you can kill Connor and abomination or not, they sure didn't pull any punches in making him seem like a poor little boy.  Harsh stuff! BUT... well done. That's the key. 

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

[Xilizhra]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Oh, good grief. It's not a moral failing to enjoy sex without wanting children. If you can't assume that they're using birth control, I suspect you also lie awake at night wondering why no one ever uses the bathroom.

I think it could be called clever. Seeing as how people didn't realize what he was doing.

It just means that the possibility of it being satire was actually dumber than it being real, so we made the charitable assumption. Clearly a mistake whenever dealing with Volus Warlord.

[Battlebloodmage]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

There could be condoms or some kind of Dragon Age version of morning after-pill. Who know. 

[BouncyFrag]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

There could be condoms or some kind of Dragon Age version of morning after-pill. Who know. 

Even if Bioware was to include such things in DA3, they wouldn't exactly be breaking new ground.

[Brockololly]

Volus Warlord wrote...

A Pregnant Companion!!

Now, to the unlearned and self-centered, this may sound largely like a limitation. However, this by no means invokes any combat limitations for game purposes, and it does open up two potentially very touching plot points:

1.) The Hunt for a future Stepdad (Romance.. or not)

The PC tries to prove himself worthy to the future mother. Or at least help find someone who is.

2.) The Hunt for the Baby Daddy

Who knocked her up? Will you ever know? Does she even know? 

Now, I don't expect birth or anything like that to be in the game. But, if the plot is in a relatively short time frame, say 3-5 months, that may not be too much an issue. 

All of our deep, mature romances have largely been juvenile chat and bang thus far. Add babies and things get serious.

Thoughts?

Maybe there can also be a questline where we have our brave Player Character and party travel to Tevinter to appear on an ancient gameshow with the host Magister Maury to find out who the father really is!

[DragonMage95]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

There could be condoms or some kind of Dragon Age version of morning after-pill. Who know. 

Even if Bioware was to include such things in DA3, they wouldn't exactly be breaking new ground.

That's true, but I personally think the way Fable handles pregancy more for laughs. If DA were to implement something like pregnancy in the game i'd hope they'd handle it in a mature way that goes with the story and adds to the story. I'd want a romance with pregnancy to be complex like it is in real life, where as in Fable it's more "How many women can I impregnate, and how many children can I produce" which seems more for immature fun than actually story.

[The Hierophant]

syllogi wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

jackattack1374 wrote...

why is this thread still a thing?

I see no issue with it as the Op is not asking for a pregnant companion to sleep with, but pregnancy being a result of a male/female companion and female/male pc having sex, like Morrigan's OGB.

Wait, what? I thought it was asking for a pregnant companion to sleep with, that's why I edited out my original post about Volus Warlord's issues with homosexuality.

I think he's asking for a character who is already pregnant, and/or a romancable character who can be impregnated.

The OP wasn't totally disgusting or inappropriate, so I assume he wanted a serious discussion, although I must admit also thinking that this is the same dashing fellow who tried to tell us all how awesome rape can be, in a now deleted thread.  It's a little hard to take anything VW says as anything but trollbait.

Nah i remember the thread that was another poster, plus VW believes that Bio's romance model is gimmicky/shallow and this thread is basically a goad to the devs to add some depth to the romances. 

On the flip side, considering VW's stance on romances i think his cheese has slid off his ******. Plus i hope the devs focus more on the main plot line, creating complex antagonists, political intrigue, quality of dialogue, and combat instead.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 27 février 2013 - 03:45 .

[Melca36]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Some of us don't want to play a Soap Opera. We play games to escape. I have no problems with children being in games. Connor in Origins...fit within the scope of the game.

Just because there is sex in game does NOT mean there HAS TO BE A PREGNANCY.  

By the way.... Its 2013 not 1953.   Women are allowed to make their own choices and are no longer dictated by a set antiquated morals.  They can vote too! 

[Knight of Dane]

Melca36 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Some of us don't want to play a Soap Opera. We play games to escape. I have no problems with children being in games. Connor in Origins...fit within the scope of the game.

Just because there is sex in game does NOT mean there HAS TO BE A PREGNANCY.  

I don't think anyone stated that it HAS to be there. People just want the possibility.

God why do these threads always go into "either it's there or not" status can somthing simply not be optional?

[Corephyfish]

This is a joke right?

Not even bothering to read the comments.

[TJPags]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Some of us don't want to play a Soap Opera. We play games to escape. I have no problems with children being in games. Connor in Origins...fit within the scope of the game.

Just because there is sex in game does NOT mean there HAS TO BE A PREGNANCY.  

I don't think anyone stated that it HAS to be there. People just want the possibility.

God why do these threads always go into "either it's there or not" status can somthing simply not be optional?

So, there should be a toggle? 

[Joy Sauce]

Ugh. Only if it's 100% optional and requires no meta-gaming to avoid. I've never liked pregnancy played for drama, and I definitely don't want it amongst my companions, as a b-plot involving NPCs only? Fine, whatever, but not my companions (and definitely not the PC).

[DragonMage95]

Melca36 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Some of us don't want to play a Soap Opera. We play games to escape. I have no problems with children being in games. Connor in Origins...fit within the scope of the game.

Just because there is sex in game does NOT mean there HAS TO BE A PREGNANCY.  

By the way.... Its 2013 not 1953.   Women are allowed to make their own choices and are no longer dictated by a set antiquated morals.  They can vote too! 

I don't think you're understanding OP's idea. He didn't say everyone would get pregnant and he didn't say all sex would result in pregnancy, he simply suggested that it would be interesting to see a companion or LI in a situation involving pregnancy . Also, no one said they wanted a soap opera.I think the general consensus wants a well handled pregnancy theme that fits within the story. Also, i'm pretty sure everyone here knows the rights of women so I don't even know why you're bringing it up in this thread, try to be more relevant please.

[Knight of Dane]

@TJPags
No, but people could just have the option to say "No i don't want a child."

or not romance that character.

There are plenty of possbilities.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 27 février 2013 - 03:48 .

[Knight of Dane]

DomRod95 wrote...
Also, i'm pretty sure everyone here knows the rights of women so I don't even know why you're bringing it up in this thread, try to be more relevant please.

#Equality

[Minttymint]

I'm all for pregnant NPCs, they give you a quest and theres an actual reason for them not doing it themselves? Yes please. Pregnant companions and even the PC? Nope, after all its Dragon Age and not a real life simulator. The little blue babies, apostate babies (and kittens), adopted Krogan babies and even old god babies belong after the story ends... You know the happily ever after and what not.

[Orian Tabris]

MinttyMint wrote...

I'm all for pregnant NPCs, they give you a quest and theres an actual reason for them not doing it themselves? Yes please. Pregnant companions and even the PC? Nope, after all its Dragon Age and not a real life simulator. The little blue babies, apostate babies (and kittens), adopted Krogan babies and even old god babies belong after the story ends... You know the happily ever after and what not.

Why can't companions be pregnant towards the end of the game? You still won't see the babies.

Some people here seem to believe that because a character is pregnant, that must mean there has to be an actual birth in-game. That is not true. Just because a character gets pregnant, does not mean there needs to parenthood or drama between characters. If this idea gets implemented and it is a companion (there wouldn't be more than one), as with all romance paths in Dragon Age, you aren't likely to see disputes between characters.

Since there is no way to find out if someone is pregnant in the DA universe, and such a concept as impregnation never comes up after sleeping with a companion, you will inevitably be forced to choose between companions (like in DA:O). BioWare would not go so far as to say that if you choose one over another, the other one will always be pregnant. They would more likely say that the one you chose would get pregnant, but only that character, so that that character would have their romance storyline follow this concept.

[Harle Cerulean]

DomRod95 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

Some of us don't want to play a Soap Opera. We play games to escape. I have no problems with children being in games. Connor in Origins...fit within the scope of the game.

Just because there is sex in game does NOT mean there HAS TO BE A PREGNANCY.  

By the way.... Its 2013 not 1953.   Women are allowed to make their own choices and are no longer dictated by a set antiquated morals.  They can vote too! 

I don't think you're understanding OP's idea. He didn't say everyone would get pregnant and he didn't say all sex would result in pregnancy, he simply suggested that it would be interesting to see a companion or LI in a situation involving pregnancy . Also, no one said they wanted a soap opera.I think the general consensus wants a well handled pregnancy theme that fits within the story. Also, i'm pretty sure everyone here knows the rights of women so I don't even know why you're bringing it up in this thread, try to be more relevant please.

I suspect Melca is bringing up women's rights, because EntropicAngel's statement implies that wanting an LI (and therefore presumably a sexual relationship) and not wanting babies is bad.  Which has been a stigma used to belittle women who have sex for a very long time.  Just look at the fuss over people not even wanting insurance to cover birth control going on in the US right now.  Women's reproductive systems are, frankly, still a battleground, and the statement, while not directly engaging that, was very close to it.  I can understand the reaction.

[Renmiri1]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

People play games to escape.

If I want to have kids in my games I'd play the freaking SIMS.   

Ignoring the fact that you mention a GAME, well, if there's sex why can't there be kids? Are people really that shallow, that all they want is pleasure without responsibility?

People being shallow about a GAME ? Heavens, pass around the smelling salts!!!


I'm a mom and while being pregnant was a good experience that came at the right time in my life, I don't think I want to experience the fake thing. Is just something very special and very personal that doesn't belong in a game, not for me. I completely understand other women feeling the same, like Melca36. 

With that said, I would have loved to have seen little Warden / Alistair babies running around the castle or little green babies from Thane and Shepard on ME3. As a slide, on the "happily ever after" part.

Raising kids is something I do IRL so raising game babies is not relaxing for me. Is like having in game homework, high school and tests for you young'uns. Not exactly what brings you to Thedas. Quite the opposite, I  go kill dragons to forget RL not to relive it 

[DragonMage95]

Knight of Dane wrote...

DomRod95 wrote...
Also, i'm pretty sure everyone here knows the rights of women so I don't even know why you're bringing it up in this thread, try to be more relevant please.

#Equality

I'm all for #Equality, but i'm not for turning something into something it's not.

[Renmiri1]

PS: Again, wasn't the male noble Dwarf Aeducan able to get a little heir with one of the ladies on Origins ? I played female Aeducan but I do remember people mentioning their male Warden met their little bundle of joy when they went back to the palace.

[Rawgrim]

Knight of Dane wrote...

@TJPags
No, but people could just have the option to say "No i don't want a child."

or not romance that character.

There are plenty of possbilities.

Given that Bioware is going for everyone being able to be romanced by all genders etc, so not to single anyone out - I bet you would be able to impregnate a man as a male PC, or a woman as a female PC. For simplicity

[Everwarden]

 Eh, sure, why not?

I don't think it should be the entire focus of the game, but it would add a hint of realism. Perhaps add sheepskins to the merchants to avoid pregnancy. 

Let's be honest, this isn't going to happen, but it wouldn't be a horrible idea if implemented correctly.