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[The Six Path of Pain]

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

[Maverick827]

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

[jstme]

Maverick827 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

Cough cough Javik cough cough.. 
Sorry,sudden microbronchitis. 

[sirus1988]

jstme wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

Cough cough Javik cough cough.. 
Sorry,sudden microbronchitis. 

From Ashes DLC was included in the Collectors Edition of the game (which was $20 more and included more stuff). They even mentioned that you would be getting a bonus character with the DLC, they just never mentioned it being prothean. So I think it was fine that they came out with day 1 DLC for others that didn't purchase the Collectors Edition. Could you imagine if Javik was only in the Collectors Edition and no one else could get him?

[LinksOcarina]

sirus1988 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

Cough cough Javik cough cough.. 
Sorry,sudden microbronchitis. 

From Ashes DLC was included in the Collectors Edition of the game (which was $20 more and included more stuff). They even mentioned that you would be getting a bonus character with the DLC, they just never mentioned it being prothean. So I think it was fine that they came out with day 1 DLC for others that didn't purchase the Collectors Edition. Could you imagine if Javik was only in the Collectors Edition and no one else could get him?

They actually originally did that with Sebastian, making him available only for Signature editions of the game, but instead upgraded him to every new copy because people voiced their opinions against it.

[Wulfram]

LinksOcarina wrote...

They actually originally did that with Sebastian, making him available only for Signature editions of the game, but instead upgraded him to every new copy because people voiced their opinions against it.

I don't think The Exiled Prince was included with any edition except the Signature one.

[jstme]

sirus1988 wrote...

jstme wrote...

Maverick827 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

Cough cough Javik cough cough.. 
Sorry,sudden microbronchitis. 

From Ashes DLC was included in the Collectors Edition of the game (which was $20 more and included more stuff). They even mentioned that you would be getting a bonus character with the DLC, they just never mentioned it being prothean. So I think it was fine that they came out with day 1 DLC for others that didn't purchase the Collectors Edition. Could you imagine if Javik was only in the Collectors Edition and no one else could get him?

Javik was on disk for everyone.Furthermore, in leaked old script he was supposed to be in Catalyst place. So whatever it is,Javik is a content that at some point in time was decided to be cut from the game and then sold separately.
 

[Fast Jimmy]

LinksOcarina wrote...

That is not how scoring works in education, because there is not quantifiable rubric that determines if you earn a 75 for a class or an 80 for a class. Each individual teacher has their own standards for students to follow, and they grade students differently, but are forced to follow tandardize testing rules for general tests in the end. The standardize tests, especially here in the U.S, tend to cripple students more than assess how they learn. 

And because gaming, and game reviewing is in the arts, it has no quantifable rubric to follow. Basically, its up to the whims of the person penning the article to determine what is good and bad. Objectivity rarely exists, and most of the time its impossible to find.  Games are not made to take a test and hit all the right notes, and neither are students. This is why most reviews, quite frankly, suck. They read like a spreadsheet instead of a review. 

And the bolded part is also wholly subjective because it presumes a 5-6 is under quality, and a 0-3 don't exist. Well, they do.  They are also, like everything else, dependent on the authors assessment of what they have played. And there are also differences between games with the same  score.  One of the things I like about the site I contribute to is the secondary recommendation line, as it gives a better sense at a glance, of what the content of the review is. Not all 7's are equal, and this is something that a standardized take of "learning" misses.

To put rote, unmovable standards on something is bad for the industry and for reveiewing. Also, I apologize for constantly promoting my stuff like that. 

No worries about promoting your stuff.

And I'd love to continue the conversation via PM, but its gotten a lot off topic.

Back on topic .... - Dead Space 3 was not critically heralded as an exemplary game. But it was deemed good enough to go out the door. I haven't played it, so I can't really argue one way or the other on it. Reviews should not be the final arbiter on a game's quality, but if the general aggregate of all reviews, both consumer and reviewer alike, are in the same range, than you have a good idea of the quality of a game by the law of large numbers. 

As opposed to the original game, which sought to blur the lines between the traditional survival horror genre, the FPS genre and the sci-fi action game, DS2 instead appeared to be a more conservative, less edgy form of its original, with gameplay that doesn't appear to be standing out to gamers as anything other than "more of the same."

Cynical gamers like myself think this is less the will of the creative minds of the series and more an attempt to move more units and grab more cash, even at the expense of the franchise itself. And adding things like DLC, microtransactions and other tactics to separate money from gamers, even if the series is viewed as watered-down and lower quality than before, is a trend that can be seen in more than just Dead Space.

[Degs29]

AlanC9 wrote...

Degs29 wrote...


My problem will always be real-world microtransactions that give the player an advantage, whether it be SP or MP (but especially MP).  You have to remember that SP isn't entirely cut off from everyone else.  Achievements are earned whether you earned them completely yourself or paid $5 to fast track your way through them.  Some people take achievements very seriously and feel a sense of pride in amassing so many...that feeling gets crushed when you see competing individuals with an equal amount of achievements and you don't know whether they earned them through the same struggle or merely paid $5 for an uber-powerful weapon that basically makes the hardest mode of the game a piece of cake.  In the years to come, how much will the sense of achievement of dominating a game legitimately erode because of these microtransactions? 

Anyone who takes pride in his game achievements is an idiot in the first place. I've seen a lot of achievements that are tedious to get; I've never seen one that I'd call difficult to get.

Lol, that's not nice.  I like collecting achievements, but I know a couple people who are die-hard achievement hoarders.  Completionist to the core.  They hate any mechanism that allows a player to gain an advantage over other players by paying real-world money.  Even though I don't feel as strongly as them about it, I still have nothing but disdain for those who participate in it.

[sirus1988]

Wulfram wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

They actually originally did that with Sebastian, making him available only for Signature editions of the game, but instead upgraded him to every new copy because people voiced their opinions against it.

I don't think The Exiled Prince was included with any edition except the Signature one.

yeah, I got a little nervous when he said that. I went back to amazon.com to see if it was included or if I just got an older version of the game. So they must have just decided to release it as DLC for everyone else then.

[LinksOcarina]

sirus1988 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

They actually originally did that with Sebastian, making him available only for Signature editions of the game, but instead upgraded him to every new copy because people voiced their opinions against it.

I don't think The Exiled Prince was included with any edition except the Signature one.

yeah, I got a little nervous when he said that. I went back to amazon.com to see if it was included or if I just got an older version of the game. So they must have just decided to release it as DLC for everyone else then.

I could have sworn they upgraded all versions of Dragon Age II before it was launched to be a Signature Edition. Maybe that was a one-time launch thing. I don't know...

[sirus1988]

jstme wrote...

Javik was on disk for everyone.Furthermore, in leaked old script he was supposed to be in Catalyst place. So whatever it is,Javik is a content that at some point in time was decided to be cut from the game and then sold separately. 
 

So what you are saying is that Javik was intended to be in the original game, but they decided to pull him out before the game was released and add him as DLC or for CE owners.. yeah, it's Bioware's game they can edit stuff into and out of it as they wish before they release the game. And they must have decided to do this a while before the game was released. If you see a CE version of the game, chances are you are going to get DLC/in-game gear, etc (a dog)..

[sirus1988]

LinksOcarina wrote...

sirus1988 wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

They actually originally did that with Sebastian, making him available only for Signature editions of the game, but instead upgraded him to every new copy because people voiced their opinions against it.

I don't think The Exiled Prince was included with any edition except the Signature one.

yeah, I got a little nervous when he said that. I went back to amazon.com to see if it was included or if I just got an older version of the game. So they must have just decided to release it as DLC for everyone else then.

I could have sworn they upgraded all versions of Dragon Age II before it was launched to be a Signature Edition. Maybe that was a one-time launch thing. I don't know...

hmm.. I don't think so, I checked the Dragon Age Wiki (however reliable that is) and it said included with Signature Edition or seperatly as DLC.

[deuce985]

I'm a bit confused as to why some people in this thread hate the MT model that ME3 uses. All that content is available to everyone who doesn't spend a single penny on the game. It's not like it's only accessible through MTs. That would be annoying. ME3 isn't even a competitive MP game, so why does buying shortcuts in that matter? Shortcuts in SP are another thing that baffle me. Why does that bother anyone? Who cares if a player wants to buy shortcuts to get the items quicker if all that content is still available to you? You can have an argument in competitive MP games like BF3 but SP? Really?

Modifié par deuce985, 01 mars 2013 - 01:23 .

[LinksOcarina]

sirus1988 wrote...


hmm.. I don't think so, I checked the Dragon Age Wiki (however reliable that is) and it said included with Signature Edition or seperatly as DLC.

Hmm. I guess I was wrong then. My bad.

[The Six Path of Pain]

Maverick827 wrote...

The Six Path of Pain wrote...

Yeah I'm not buying DA3 or ME4 if they cut out stuff that should be in the game then make me pay for them later.The Day one DLC characters are already bad enough.

They already don't do that, so you should be fine.

Glad I could help!

They better not.I don't want to buy DA3 only to have EA make an announcement like buy extra quests for $5 or take out the ending and having us pay for it...Looking at you Capcom<_< I'll ****g loose it if they make us pay for content that's already on the disc!

[killswitch423]

imbs wrote...

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm going to just say it....


I don't mind microtransactions, and sometimes I find them enjoyable. Especially superficial things like costumes. In single player games it's not like 'pay-to-win' is a problem, as the weapons and spells and such in the vanilla game are perfectly adequate to beat the game.

I understand the reluctance to accept it, but a thread on the forums complaining isn't going to stop if from happening anyway. It's an industry-wide trend that had been proven to work and believe it or not they actually do need money from us to meet the demands we all love to make for our games.

..... please tell me you are not implying that microtransactions make more sense in single player games than in MP games....... Tell me I am reading this wrong I implore you.


I hate this forum.

Woah, forgot about this thread.  That is not what I was saying at all, and your negativity was really unnecessary.  

People get upset with microtransactins in multiplayer games when the cash items give them an unfair advantage, i.e. "pay to win."

In a single player game, this is a non-issue because who the hell cares if someone else paid a few bucks to make their playthrough easier with better weapons or armor?

I thought I was clear, and I apologize if I didn't elaborate enough.

[killswitch423]

StElmo wrote...

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm going to just say it....


I don't mind microtransactions, and sometimes I find them enjoyable. Especially superficial things like costumes. In single player games it's not like 'pay-to-win' is a problem, as the weapons and spells and such in the vanilla game are perfectly adequate to beat the game.

I understand the reluctance to accept it, but a thread on the forums complaining isn't going to stop if from happening anyway. It's an industry-wide trend that had been proven to work and believe it or not they actually do need money from us to meet the demands we all love to make for our games.

Thats more like Micro DLC - microtransactions, to me, are more like in-game purchases.

But do you want microstransactions in-game? Do you really want to see paypal pop up during a DA:I session?

Do you really want future games designed to make the grind longer unless you buy the microtransaction upgrades?

Hope they can find a way to make everything more like horse armour, rather than in-game immersion breaking dealies.

I'm okay with alternative appearence packs and that kind of thing, provided it is all transacted outside the game and doesn't impact design, it's fine.

1. Tomato, tomahto really.  I'm speaking of armor and such for a small fee.

2. Microtransactions don't HAVE to present themselves in the way you mention; my arguments are based on the idea of them done the "right way."

3. Slippery slope?  The armor packs and appearance packs were certainly profitable enough that they wouldn't have to resort to such tactics.  Also see above again.

4.  Considering how hated the horse armor was...  what is it any of your concern if someone else wants to spend a couple of bucks to make their game easier in such a way?  If you don't like the idea you don't have to buy it (I"msure it would still be possible to complete the game vanilla; "right way" again).

5.  I think we can agree that in-game popups and such the way MMOs do it would be... bad, to say the least.  I just don't think people should complain about it when they're done right.  

[wsandista]

I think that romance scenes should be microtransactions.

[PaulSX]

deuce985 wrote...

I'm a bit confused as to why some people in this thread hate the MT model that ME3 uses. All that content is available to everyone who doesn't spend a single penny on the game. It's not like it's only accessible through MTs. That would be annoying. ME3 isn't even a competitive MP game, so why does buying shortcuts in that matter? Shortcuts in SP are another thing that baffle me. Why does that bother anyone? Who cares if a player wants to buy shortcuts to get the items quicker if all that content is still available to you? You can have an argument in competitive MP games like BF3 but SP? Really?

I do not play battlefield games so can not comment on that, but as you said the MT in ME3 and DS3 are very fine to me as I do not need to use it at all. One thing really annoys me is actually the warden's keep dlc for Dragon Age origins where the MT notice prompts during a conversation with the NPC !!. The good thing is that BioWare never used that ugly trick again.

[imbs]

N7_killswitch wrote...

imbs wrote...

N7_killswitch wrote...

I'm going to just say it....


I don't mind microtransactions, and sometimes I find them enjoyable. Especially superficial things like costumes. In single player games it's not like 'pay-to-win' is a problem, as the weapons and spells and such in the vanilla game are perfectly adequate to beat the game.

I understand the reluctance to accept it, but a thread on the forums complaining isn't going to stop if from happening anyway. It's an industry-wide trend that had been proven to work and believe it or not they actually do need money from us to meet the demands we all love to make for our games.

..... please tell me you are not implying that microtransactions make more sense in single player games than in MP games....... Tell me I am reading this wrong I implore you.


I hate this forum.

Woah, forgot about this thread.  That is not what I was saying at all, and your negativity was really unnecessary.  

People get upset with microtransactins in multiplayer games when the cash items give them an unfair advantage, i.e. "pay to win."

In a single player game, this is a non-issue because who the hell cares if someone else paid a few bucks to make their playthrough easier with better weapons or armor?

I thought I was clear, and I apologize if I didn't elaborate enough.

Fair enough, I apologise for what it is worth. I don't really consider that kind of thing a microtransaction though, which is probably where the misunderstanding came in.

[AshedMan]

Just when you're thinking things can't get any worse for the Dragon Age series and EA announces microtransactions in all their games.

[ManiacG]

this pretty much sums what i feel about it.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par ManiacG, 01 mars 2013 - 03:20 .

[beank]

What were the micro transactions in ME3?

Were the in multi-palyer? if thats the case, then let them do them.... I dont play MP any ways....

[Dabrikishaw]

Plaintiff wrote...

I'm seething with unquenchable indifference.