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[Bryy_Miller]

Solostran85 wrote...

Subv3rsi0n wrote...

I hope so.

Have Alistair be the "old favorite" and allow him to be romanceable by men, and Awakening would be the best thing to ever happen.

I hope NOT!!! You already have a gay romance do not ruin alistairs character by making him gay. 

How would that ruin his character?

[ShadowsOfAsh]

[quote]The Capital Gaultier wrote...


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Sorry to burst your bubble, but Alistair is gay!



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Omg, Capital Gaultier, that was hilarious! I haven't laughed like that in a while. 

[Gorthaur the Cruel]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Solostran85 wrote...

Subv3rsi0n wrote...

I hope so.

Have Alistair be the "old favorite" and allow him to be romanceable by men, and Awakening would be the best thing to ever happen.

I hope NOT!!! You already have a gay romance do not ruin alistairs character by making him gay. 

How would that ruin his character?

He's not a gay character. He's written as a straight one. Changing this thus ruins his character.

[cmathews03]

I believe a bit of circumspection when posting goes a long way. Heed Kevin Lynch's advice; I find some posts within this thread borderline offensive.

[ShadowsOfAsh]

Modifié par ShadowsOfAsh, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:01 .

[ShadowsOfAsh]

EDIT: Triple post, don't know how it happened, sorry!

Modifié par ShadowsOfAsh, 12 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[ShadowsOfAsh]

Sorry for the extra posts.

Modifié par ShadowsOfAsh, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:01 .

[ShadowsOfAsh]

I wouldn't be opposed to any new romances, whether they are (M/M, F/F, F/M). Whatever floats your boat, so to speak. And I'd definitely like to see our romances from Origins continue on. But I don't know if they'll be doing any of that in just the expansion.



If they don't I'll be missing Leliana....

[Elessara]

ShadowsOfAsh ... apparently you're really really really all for it. ;D

[ShadowsOfAsh]

Oh, I am, and apparently my computer is too

[PetrosS]

If you think about it, there are no gay characters in Dragon Age at all (except for the PC).

[Lenimph]

MistySun wrote...

I want Leliana to be in Awakening as we were lovers (F/F) and we said we would go on new adventures together. I sincerely hope that is the case as why would the script mention things like that at the end if not the case?
Does what was said have no meaning for any character? Will we never know what happened to any of them? How sad if all previous charcters were left wandering in ther wilderness.

I too want Leliana to be in it for the same reason and would I be sad if she isn't...  I'll miss her cute little lisp... and random singing x.x
 
I might try again with Alistair if it let me perhaps?  That would be cute if he comforted my character from the lost of Leliana... he seriously owes me from making me dump him by not manning up to 3 way fun *grumble*

But there better be a good reason why she isn't in it and I better get a cutscene of what happened to her not just words "Since the slaying of the archdemon blah blah blah the warden blah blah blah oh and btw leliana died of aids"

Modifié par Lenimph, 12 janvier 2010 - 04:17 .

[Treavor647]

PetrosS wrote...

If you think about it, there are no gay characters in Dragon Age at all (except for the PC).

Yep need to rephrase the question - "Are there going to be any Bi-Curious or willing to experiment grey wardens in the next xpac?"

[Elessara]

Yeah they all seem to be straight or bi.

[PetrosS]

Treavor647 wrote...

PetrosS wrote...

If you think about it, there are no gay characters in Dragon Age at all (except for the PC).

Yep need to rephrase the question - "Are there going to be any Bi-Curious or willing to experiment grey wardens in the next xpac?"

Indeed!

Truth be told though; no company would dare be accused of 'promoting homosexuality', so by having a couple of bicurious characters in they can satisfy those who would prefer to romance a character of the same sex as them and also add the extra satisfaction to straight people of 'turning' someone (thus also to carry on believing that you choose your sexuality).

Or is that just my conspiracy theory?

[cmathews03]

Homosexuality is still grossly characterized as stigmatic and "wrong," though there are numerous successful video games on the market that incorporate explicit homosexual relationships. Fable for the XBox platform comes immediately to mind as just one example.



I don't think Bioware stuck with the "bicuriosity" route in order to avoid the accusations of 'promoting homosexuality.' I'd like to believe that homosexuality just didn't mesh well with the overall vision--or with, at least, the vision each designer had for the companions.



As an openly gay male, I find this a bit disheartening. But "c'est la vie," as they say. It's all a bit moot at the end of the day.

[Suikoden006]

cmathews03 wrote...

I find some posts within this thread borderline offensive.

You're not the only one that thinks this.

[SuperMedbh]

I'm not gay, but I think it's nice that Bioware offered a few romantic subplots for them in DA. Why alienate potential customers? And Liliana is nice enough, I suppose. Too bad for the gay men, though...Zev? Ick.....

[le_cygne]

cmathews03 wrote...

I don't think Bioware stuck with the "bicuriosity" route in order to avoid the accusations of 'promoting homosexuality.' I'd like to believe that homosexuality just didn't mesh well with the overall vision--or with, at least, the vision each designer had for the companions.

As an openly gay male, I find this a bit disheartening. But "c'est la vie," as they say. It's all a bit moot at the end of the day.

First, I agree with your earlier post that some of the responses in this thread are borderline offensive.

I'd also love to see more gay and lesbian characters in RPGs. For example,  I'm pretty confident Alistair was conceived to be straight from the beginning, but, without spoiling anything about the game's plot, it would have been very interesting to see how his story would have played out if he were gay instead. A character like that could provide some wonderful dramatic opportunities, and I hope Bioware and others play with that sort of thing in the future. (And before someone takes this out of context, no, I don't mean with Alistair himself.)

That said, I can understand why developers of a game like this would err on the side of writing major NPCs that the player can interact with as bisexual instead of homosexual (though in Dragon Age I'm inclined to say that the examples are justified by plot, too). Namely, when you're writing "only" four romances for the game, it probably leads to a happier player base when there are more choices for more players. Certainly plenty of players roleplay characters with different genders or orientations from their own, but in my experience people tend to gravitate to their own, especially among players less into the roleplaying, or casual fans who might play the game only once. That might not be the best reason from a storytelling perspective, but it's a reasonable choice to me both as fan service and as business.

At any rate, I think Dragon Age did pretty well in this regard. Again without spoilers, there was one in-lore relationship in particular that I found unexpected, cliche-free, and altogether very well done.

[cmathews03]

le_cygne wrote...

First, I agree with your earlier post that some of the responses in this thread are borderline offensive.

I'd also love to see more gay and lesbian characters in RPGs. For example,  I'm pretty confident Alistair was conceived to be straight from the beginning, but, without spoiling anything about the game's plot, it would have been very interesting to see how his story would have played out if he were gay instead. A character like that could provide some wonderful dramatic opportunities, and I hope Bioware and others play with that sort of thing in the future. (And before someone takes this out of context, no, I don't mean with Alistair himself.)

That said, I can understand why developers of a game like this would err on the side of writing major NPCs that the player can interact with as bisexual instead of homosexual (though in Dragon Age I'm inclined to say that the examples are justified by plot, too). Namely, when you're writing "only" four romances for the game, it probably leads to a happier player base when there are more choices for more players. Certainly plenty of players roleplay characters with different genders or orientations from their own, but in my experience people tend to gravitate to their own, especially among players less into the roleplaying, or casual fans who might play the game only once. That might not be the best reason from a storytelling perspective, but it's a reasonable choice to me both as fan service and as business.

At any rate, I think Dragon Age did pretty well in this regard. Again without spoilers, there was one in-lore relationship in particular that I found unexpected, cliche-free, and altogether very well done.

I think my main beef with the limited options (so to speak) when it comes to romances is that it does, in a sense, hinder playability. The opportunities in many other facets of the game are seemingly endless, whereas the romance options are considerably more constrained. That's all fine and dandy, but it leaves my mind to wander--and it leaves something to be desired.

But, once again, it is what it is, and I enjoy the game nonetheless. However, if the future could hold more promise for exclusively homosexual relationships, that'd be dandy. Heh.

[le_cygne]

cmathews03 wrote...

I think my main beef with the limited options (so to speak) when it comes to romances is that it does, in a sense, hinder playability. The opportunities in many other facets of the game are seemingly endless, whereas the romance options are considerably more constrained. 

I see what you mean. The lack of choice is a little disappointing, especially, I imagine, if the one particular character doesn't appeal to the player, romantically or in general. (I don't think I'll ever understand Alistair's appeal, personally, but lots of people seem to love him, whether in a friendly or romantic sense.)

Meaningful choices, interactions, and characters are what make this game great, in my opinion. As you say, hopefully there will be more options for everyone in the future.

[PetrosS]

le_cygne wrote...

cmathews03 wrote...

I think my main beef with the limited options (so to speak) when it comes to romances is that it does, in a sense, hinder playability. The opportunities in many other facets of the game are seemingly endless, whereas the romance options are considerably more constrained. 

I see what you mean. The lack of choice is a little disappointing, especially, I imagine, if the one particular character doesn't appeal to the player, romantically or in general. (I don't think I'll ever understand Alistair's appeal, personally, but lots of people seem to love him, whether in a friendly or romantic sense.)

Meaningful choices, interactions, and characters are what make this game great, in my opinion. As you say, hopefully there will be more options for everyone in the future.

Interestingly, I have to admit that the only reason I'd like more from Bioware on this aspect of the game is exactly because of the fact that I fully feel for each one of the characters they have created (even Loghain to a similar extent as I feel for the characters of my most favourite books (and even more than some of my 'so called' friends ).

So really, when it comes to requests like these, they've only got themselves to blame for being so good at what they do!

[Troll-baby]

I think all this talk about straight/gay/bi whatever as a label for the various characters is moot.



As in life, I think it's presumptious and limiting to pigeon-hole anyone based on a perception of their sexual preference.



Indeed, it should be possible to have romantic potential with any character depending on how the plot is developing opportunistically without that character necessarily being stereotyped. That character could also be free to accept or reject that advance given that character dialogue would not include 21st century terms for these proclivities anyway.



I am an openly gay male and while I do have gay friends, I also have many friends who if asked, would call themselves open minded and romanceable by either gender depending on circumstances.



I have had an absolute ball playing, and recently completing D.A.O., and I hope BIOWARE can find a way to maintain the romance potential without needing to resort to stereotypical perceptions of what the gender roles should be, on either side of the sexuality fence.



As with life, a little mystery can be very stimulating.

[Bootsykk]

...Man, I hope so maybe at least my mage can have some company.



But I have a feeling I'll just be too busy sulking over the fact that Zevran isn't there to even instigate a romance.