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[SusanStoHelit]

I'm a straight woman - and I enjoy playing both straight female characters, straight male ones, and gay or bi males and females. I'm simply not that uptight about it all, despite my personal preference (gasp) in the real world.

Some of my favourite books have gay protagonists too. I'm more interested in the character, and in the relationships and interactions between the characters, than in their sexual orientation.

I think Bioware has done a great job of presenting us with interesting characters that we feel attached to, regardless of their orientation. And also of providing their client base with characters whose orientation is such that they can either make romantic choices that fit their own orientation (whatever that is) or be a little more 'cosmopolitan'. Each game they've brought out in recent years has gotten a little closer to 'ideal' (for want of a better word) than the last. Kudos to them.

I'm sure, given their track record, they won't disappoint us in future.

And whether there's romance in the expansion or not, I'm sure the characters will be engaging and worth getting to know.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 28 janvier 2010 - 09:44 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Alendor1989 wrote...

I remember when Zevran joined my team, I talked with him and I found out he was a pervert gay (no offense, but I dont like to talk with a dude and in less than 1 minutes he is telling me I look so hot for him). Instead they should include more hot chicks.

This is offensive and against forum rules. The term 'pervert' is offensive and cannot be made unoffensive by saying 'no offense' after it. As a woman, I also find the request for 'hot chicks' both sexist and offensive - and incredibly childish as well. Please keep your derogatory remarks to yourself.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 28 janvier 2010 - 09:50 .

[Wesley Wyndam Price]

Alendor1989 wrote...

Well, hope they dont include any other gay romance, since most of the people who play the game are NOT gay. I remember when Zevran joined my team, I talked with him and I found out he was a pervert gay (no offense, but I dont like to talk with a dude and in less than 1 minutes he is telling me I look so hot for him). Instead they should include more hot chicks.

Well if you don't like "pervert gays" then you shouldn't recruit Zevren, just kill him right on the spot  or recruit and don't use him since you seem to not like bisexuals (unless they are female I'm willing to wager).

 You don't have to have the m/m or f/f romance in any of the games that offer it so why exactly should it matter?

[Alendor1989]

Susan I am saying Zevran is a pervert. Is not that true? I think is against the rules to insult people,I am just describing one of the game characters. Is the same if I say that Oghren is drunk lazy dwarf. But I cant say Zevran is a pervert why? because he is gay?

[SusanStoHelit]

Alendor1989 wrote...

Susan I am saying Zevran is a pervert. Is not that true? I think is against the rules to insult people,I am just describing one of the game characters. Is the same if I say that Oghren is drunk lazy dwarf. But I cant say Zevran is a pervert why? because he is gay?

Yes. Because if the character Zevran is a pervert because he's gay - then all gays must be perverts. And that is untrue, offensive, cruel, and against forum rules. And here in Australia if you made such a comment anywhere in public - you'd be arrested faster than you could shake a stick. It's illegal to use such language.

Edit: Just to be clear  - you're allowed to think that way, but not to express it in public.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:04 .

[Alendor1989]

Susan, if you imagine for a moment you are a man, you walk dont the street, you start talking with a man about you dont know anything, and suddenly he goes out and tells you " You are so hot" whats that? ccording to you is not pervert, so what is it? There are pervert people all around the world, gay or not, in this case Zevran is gay, and about the comments he uses we can realise he is kind of a pervert. It seems that is kind of tabu for some people to say something bad about a gay character form the game, I dont understand why.

[Alendor1989]

Leliana is also gay, but I dont think she is a pervert, I think she got a great personality inside the game. Zevran is a funny dude, but still, he is a pervert.

[Wournos]

Wah up wrote...

I wouldn't like Drage age Origins to become a gay porno fetish to some people. Thats directed to you lot who said, i hope so.

Also a lot of reviews would disagree with it...

Oh grow up. In this game you can CHOOSE if you want to have a gay (male of female) character. If you don't like it then let your characters stay hetero. But for once it's nice to see that we who would like diversity (being fed up with hetero romances everywhere) can choose where we would like to go.
I want options.
I also think it's completely sexistic to allow girl+girl romance and not have male+male romance. I have yet to try if male+male is allowed (came to this thread to find out).

Alendor1989 wrote...

Leliana is also gay, but I dont
think she is a pervert, I think she got a great personality inside the
game. Zevran is a funny dude, but still, he is a pervert.

Correction: Bisexual. Depending on your gender she can sway either way.

Modifié par Wournos, 28 janvier 2010 - 10:44 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Really? Zevran is flirting with you. If it's not your thing - just say no and he stops. Leliana does exactly the same thing with female characters - she flirts with them. They are both bisexual - they both flirt with characters of either gender.



If Zevran is a pervert for thinking you're hot - then Alistair must be one for thinking my female pc was.



Aargh. I'm not going to continue this. If you can't see you're being offensive, fine. At least take the word of someone else that others find your statement offensive. It offends me, for starters.



/goodbye

[Alendor1989]

No, I cant see I am being offensive. But if you get offended just because i say Zevran, a virtual character from a game, is a pervert, dont worry, one of this days you'll get over it.

[Wournos]

Alendor1989 wrote...

No, I cant see I am being offensive. But if you get offended just because i say Zevran, a virtual character from a game, is a pervert, dont worry, one of this days you'll get over it.

You are extremely offensive with your comments. I agree with Susan and the other guy who also thinks so. To the degree that I reported your post. It is highly sexistic to say that girl on girl action is welcomed (you're clearly a guy) but nothing else is. I am gay. Woman. I don't care for heterosexual or male same sex romances in games but I sure won't complain about it because I believe everyone should be given the option to be able to do what they feel like (and I do not mean she-male stuff).

...and "gay" doesn't equal "pervert". It's been, more or less, present the past 2000 years. Just investigate the roman culture.

My only hope is that game developers, not just Bioware, allow diversity like we get in DAO (and perhaps spice it up a bit; separating my character from her loved one before the final battle should offer more than dry chat.). I believe in choices.

[Phex]

Alendor1989 wrote...

No, I cant see I am being offensive. But if you get offended just because i say Zevran, a virtual character from a game, is a pervert, dont worry, one of this days you'll get over it.

Of course they are not getting offended because you're mocking an imaginary video game character. They get offended because you're mocking what the character represents.

I wouldn't say Zevran is a pervert, no. Very open minded and fun loving? Certainly. His sexual orientation has nothing to do with this.

Modifié par Sefferz, 28 janvier 2010 - 12:26 .

[Alendor1989]

It seems that if a make a comment pointing an aspect about a character personality, and it happens he is gay, people here get angry, but if he is not gay, nobody says a word. So i can call Oghren drunk sick dwarf, Morrigan... we know what Morrigan kind of person is specially at the end of the game, but Zevran... NO! he is gay, so he is untouchable, dont say a bad word about Zevran. I love this taboo rules. Get on with it and dont complain not everyone is agree with gay or bisexual romances in the game, and if some people get offended, I am sorry they get offended so easily, that was not my intention, I just gave my opinion why I prefer they dont include any gay romance.

[melkathi]

Alendor1989 wrote...

It seems that if a make a comment pointing an aspect about a character personality, and it happens he is gay, people here get angry, but if he is not gay, nobody says a word. So i can call Oghren drunk sick dwarf, Morrigan... we know what Morrigan kind of person is specially at the end of the game, but Zevran... NO! he is gay, so he is untouchable, dont say a bad word about Zevran. I love this taboo rules. Get on with it and dont complain not everyone is agree with gay or bisexual romances in the game, and if some people get offended, I am sorry they get offended so easily, that was not my intention, I just gave my opinion why I prefer they dont include any gay romance.

Only comment I'll make on this:

You did not say Zevran was a pervert, you said he was a pervert gay. You were the one who felt the need to include the fact that he was gay. Furthermore you justified your opinion of him as a pervert because he tells your male character that he thinks he's hot. Which means you felt that it was Zevran's sexual orientation that you used as a reason to call him a pervert. So yes, you were discriminating based on sexuality which in turn givs people every right to call you on that. And people are absolutely correct in telling you that if making a compliment on someone's appearance labels one as a pervert in your book, then obviously you either have no understanding of what the word truly means or are extremely narrow minded to put it nicely.

Let's not even get into the discussion about how you have no idea just how complex the character Zevran is, because you were too busy being offended and disgusted by a game character.

[Paromlin]

Oh, give him a break with your sensible sensibilities. He clearly meant that Zevran was a pervert, not gays. I'm a gay guy and I'm not even slightly insulted because he said a fictional game character is a pervert. Notice the difference: "Zevran is a perverted gay" vs "Gays are perverts".

[cmathews03]

Alendor, I have to reiterate that a lot of your comments in this thread are rather suspect.



Besides, like Leliana, Zevran isn't gay; he's bisexual. Even regardless of this point, I don't find him perverted in the least. Commenting on a person's physical appeal is more boldness than perversion.

[RedSocialKnight]

In my high school, "pervert" meant "excessively horny." We were pretty much all perverts.

cmathews03 wrote...
Commenting on a person's physical appeal is more boldness than perversion.

Right. So Alendor, you go ahead and comment on girls' physical appeal as much as you want -- and when you become known as the town's biggest pervert, simply explain that you weren't being "perverted" you were simply being "bold.'

Modifié par RedSocialKnight, 28 janvier 2010 - 04:56 .

[Frozeal]

Wah up wrote...

I wouldn't like Drage age Origins to become a gay porno fetish to some people. Thats directed to you lot who said, i hope so.

Also a lot of reviews would disagree with it...

[Wournos]

Paromlin wrote...

Oh, give him a break with your sensible sensibilities. He clearly meant that Zevran was a pervert, not gays. I'm a gay guy and I'm not even slightly insulted because he said a fictional game character is a pervert. Notice the difference: "Zevran is a perverted gay" vs "Gays are perverts".

He did no such thing. If he meant Zevran was perverted then there is no need to include gay, bi or whetever into that sentence. I don't care if he thinks Zevran or anyone else is perverted but do not bring in specific sexuality into the statement or you WILL have people like myself, or SusanStHelit or Cmathews charing our distaste for such a comment.

[Abriael_CG]

Paromlin wrote...

Oh, give him a break with your sensible sensibilities. He clearly meant that Zevran was a pervert, not gays. I'm a gay guy and I'm not even slightly insulted because he said a fictional game character is a pervert. Notice the difference: "Zevran is a perverted gay" vs "Gays are perverts".

This. Oversensitive much?

By the way, zevran is bisexual for simple practical reasons.The vast majority of gamers is straight, whether males or females. Making a character bisexual means that they can introduce a romance possibility for the ones that like homosexual romances, without making a character unromanceable for the ones that don't. Yay, possibilities!

While I don't mind at all the occasional gay or bisexual characiter, I don't feel the need for developers to artificially include some in every game to cater to a minority. I'm italian. Should I grind at every developer out there to include an italian character i can better identify with? Not really. As a matter of fact, a character doesn't need to be my virtual replica for me to find some identification.

Character writing should be just that, a matter of writing. Not a matter of having to artificially cater to every minority out there not to make them offended in their "rights" (since it seems that some here think that having homosexuals in games must be bent in a matter of "gay rights").

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 28 janvier 2010 - 04:24 .

[cmathews03]

Abriael_CG wrote...

While I don't mind at all the occasional gay or bisexual characiter, I don't feel the need for developers to artificially include some in every game to cater to a minority. I'm italian. Should I grind at every developer out there to include an italian character i can better identify with? Not really. As a matter of fact, a character doesn't need to be my virtual replica for me to find some identification.

Character writing should be just that, a matter of writing. Not a matter of having to artificially cater to every minority out there not to make them offended in their "rights" (since it seems that some here think that having homosexuals in games must be bent in a matter of "gay rights").

I actually agree with this. I'm a gay male, as I've stated, and I don't necessarily want developers to include exclusively gay characters in their games. My main qualm for Dragon Age in particular is that the character(s) I wish to romance--namely Alistair, as cliche as it is--are exclusively heterosexual, meaning I'd have to play a female character. This is a small drawback, but it's still a bit irksome. 

As an aside, I wish Sten was an eligible romance option. If he's present in Awakening, I'd like to maybe see that implemented, regardless of which way the developers make him swing.

EDIT: Apparently, after several years in the States, the "their" and "there" distinction is still lost on me. Sad.

Modifié par cmathews03, 28 janvier 2010 - 04:44 .

[vicendor]

This thread makes me puke

[_Aine_]

cmathews03 wrote...


I actually agree with this. I'm a gay male, as I've stated, and I don't necessarily want developers to include exclusively gay characters in their games. My main qualm for Dragon Age in particular is that the character(s) I wish to romance--namely Alistair, as cliche as it is--are exclusively heterosexual, meaning I'd have to play a female character. This is a small drawback, but it's still a bit irksome. 

As an aside, I wish Sten was an eligible romance option. If he's present in Awakening, I'd like to maybe see that implemented, regardless of which way the developers make him swing.

There is very likely a mod for PC for that (Alistair gay mod)  -- i know there is at the very least gender rings so you can bypass the gender check...  i have been too caught up in my female characters to play males ones too much but I am sure i saw that out there, PC wise anyway.   Oh and a) i love your sig and  I totally agree about Sten.    

For what it is worth in general to some of the way this thread has gone, perverted would only be accurate for Zevran if you felt that there were moral implications to his sexual openness.    Kinky lad, yes, and thankfully so in my opinion.  It's refreshing in a morally rigid world setting which, openly in many eras in history, have been the case ( though rigid appearances usually promote more hedonism behind closed doors anyway, probably)  

I knew a guy once, homophobe to the nth degree.  He refused to go to my gym because he was certain there was a high percentage of gay males there.  I laughed at him, and told him I completely thought he was off his rocker, because oh CERTAINLY just because he and his (flat)  hetero butt walked in all the gay males would be all over him.  lol  Fear is a funny thing, isn't it?  Makes people say things that make so much sense to themselves but little sense to anyone who doesn't share the same fears.    

Maybe this makes ME a pervert to think that Zevran is not.  Ah well, it shall be a burden I carry through the rest of my days if that is the case.      My husband even said he would romance Teagan LOL   [pervert]  Well seriously, who wouldn't given the chance?  [/pervert]   

[Paromlin]

Wournos wrote...

He did no such thing. If he meant Zevran was perverted then there is no need to include gay, bi or whetever into that sentence. I don't care if he thinks Zevran or anyone else is perverted but do not bring in specific sexuality into the statement or you WILL have people like myself, or SusanStHelit or Cmathews charing our distaste for such a comment.

Oh gee. He explained what he meant. Is there any need to atomize his words and nitpick even after the explanation? "No, but you said..."
For example, I find Abriael's post more problematic. Developers should have a sense of the importance of inclusion and diversity. Also, we're a large part of the playerbase.

[Legbiter]

Gayness in Thedas is caused by blood mages. Fact.