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[Pugz82]

 I don't get all the hate for this kit, it is awesome.  Either you are playing him completely wrong or just not used to him, it took me a few games to realize I need to focus more on Cain Trip Mines than the Bow.  I played a few Platinum games with him and depending on your map/enemy you can be a top scorer.

I ran him using grenade gear, obviously since the more I can lay a mine down the better.  The group I play games with like to hold an area of the map and funnel enemies down a choke point.  In this case, Giant/Reapers/Platinum....holding the LZ.

I would set all 3 mines basiclly right on top of each other, speced for Armor damage.  They would kill a Brute without shooting it, any low level enemy...dead.  Phantoms, lool...joke, they exploded too.

Now here is where it gets good...if you run with the grenade gear and don't use the special arrows that often you can run with 13 mines.  So say a prime, atlas, banshee is chasing you down...forget shooting the mine on the wall.  Shoot it on the floor like a proxy mine, right infront of them....one right after enough.  The damage is atrocious...drops all those enemies like a joke.

My first game I managed about 160,000 points on Platinum.  He is far from a bad class in the hands of a capable player.  Just need to feel him out and learn the tricks.  I know the bow was his main selling point and yes, it isn't the greatest so until it gets some tweaking I will likely spec out of all the bow damage.

[Jovian09]

I kinda suck with him. That's not to say he's bad...

[Chi_Mangetsu]

"I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed."

Mostly due to some glitchiness (AP arrow lock-up, cover grab, etc.).

Modifié par Chi_Mangetsu, 27 février 2013 - 03:50 .

[Charaxan]

Jovian09 wrote...

I kinda suck with him. That's not to say he's bad...

[Pugz82]

fast forums

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Because having one good power and 2 awful ones is not right.

[Shinnyshin]

You answered your own question. In order to play this class effectively, the bow class whose unique mechanic is a bow that you play for his bow, you spec out of his bow and spam landmines.

[EvoSigma]

The mine spec is what I use also. It's just that people are disappointed from their initial expectations. They expected to be killing mooks left and right with that bow (where 2 of his powers revolve around it) but it simply isn't the case....

[parico]

Because the only game I wiped in today was when 2 of us tried using talons

[L.ast L.ife]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Because having one good power and 2 awful ones is not right.

[Babydel]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Because having one good power and 2 awful ones is not right.

This.  As you said his selling point was the bow, the class is built around it, yet it sucks.

[Rip The Reaper]

Yeah I'm scoring 100,000+ in gold focusing mostly only on mines. The omni-bow needs a buff. Sometimes when you charge the bow and release it will wait a few seconds and your stuck like that until it fires. Cover-grabs are not even worth attempting.

[Pugz82]

Shinnyshin wrote...

You answered your own question. In order to play this class effectively, the bow class whose unique mechanic is a bow that you play for his bow, you spec out of his bow and spam landmines.

I do what works.

I like dealing damage...I like getting kill streaks on platinum using 3 simple mines.  I like winning.  I answered my own question by proving he is playable and can deal a ton of damage. 

[joker_jack]

The amount of bugs you can see in him are why he is just a bad class all around.

[Kittstalkur]

The mines are amazing.

The rest of the kit is mediocre or terrible.

[Asebstos]

Because people play 1 or 2 games with a character, spec/play terribly, and then say the character sucks.

Edit:
Case in point that thread that said the Collector was 'meh' when the OP didn't even spec into Seeker Swarms.

Modifié par Asebstos, 27 février 2013 - 04:02 .

[Shinnyshin]

Pugz82 wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

You answered your own question. In order to play this class effectively, the bow class whose unique mechanic is a bow that you play for his bow, you spec out of his bow and spam landmines.

I do what works.

I like dealing damage...I like getting kill streaks on platinum using 3 simple mines.  I like winning.  I answered my own question by proving he is playable and can deal a ton of damage. 

Your question was, and I quote: "Why so much Talon Merc hate?"  That he's so much more effective as a trapper/miner only reinforces the point.

[rtbh99]

i predicted this within an hour of the dlc being released

babbys will spam the trip mine like crazy

[Yosuke]

When speccing into his main advertised ability (which comprises 2/3 of his kit) is playing him wrong, that is a major problem.

[Pugz82]

I play for weapon damage...as long as I have one killer power (mines) the kit works. Yes it needs tweaking but it isn't awful.

[Asebstos]

The arrows seem primarily for debuffing and as a back up weapon. I think people are confused and are trying to get bow kills only.

[taggywag]

Pugz82 wrote...

Shinnyshin wrote...

You answered your own question. In order to play this class effectively, the bow class whose unique mechanic is a bow that you play for his bow, you spec out of his bow and spam landmines.

I do what works.

I like dealing damage...I like getting kill streaks on platinum using 3 simple mines.  I like winning.  I answered my own question by proving he is playable and can deal a ton of damage. 

i think most people would agree he looks cool, he can shoot as well as the rest of them and his mines are pretty cool, but 3 out of his 5 skills revolve mostly around the bow mechanic which no one seems able to get much use out of. it raises the question, what's up with the bow? yes, he's still usable without it and i've topped one or two score boards with him today but for gods sake will someone tell me what is up with that bow

[Chi_Mangetsu]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Because having one good power and 2 awful ones is not right.

Concussives at least have a good utility on the Shock evo (haven't tried Chill).

[solidprice]

Chi_Mangetsu wrote...

"I'm not angry, I'm just disappointed."

Mostly due to some glitchiness (AP arrow lock-up, cover grab, etc.).

this.

his mines are awesome sauce, but the rest of him is meh.
his powers/passives are too weak. he needs a least a few buffs to make me wanna pick him over other kits.
When your best thoughts are what to build him is to stick a OP weapon on him and he isnt a weapon class,
the class needs a buff.

imo,
he is bottom teir w/ the Salarian engineer and vorcha engineer

hummm seeing a trend here

Modifié par solidprice, 27 février 2013 - 04:08 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

His omni-bow is free stagger tool.. and he cares not about weight.
A food for thought.. I have to practice too.