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[dumdum2]

Well, let me put it like this. This class with full health and shields + 40% damage reduction from Siege Pulse + Cyclonic IV + Shield Booster V + Shields Restoration Melee will make it extremely easy to solo Gold for any player.

A lot of players that has never even been able to get the Lone Wolf banner using the Kroguard will get the banner easily now. And just because of that I would say that he is OP because it requires even less skill than using the Kroguard (never thought that was possible!).

[Dorick]

orehlol wrote...

Dorick,
If Juggernaut is OP complete a Platinum solo on Condor vs Collectors(w/ out cheesy tactics).
Then I will agree

sure, if you do it with a salarian engineer so that we establish the jugg and salarian are evenly balanced. 

Oh, and no "cheesy tactics" k?

[Dorick]

dumdum2 wrote...

Well, let me put it like this. This class with full health and shields + 40% damage reduction from Siege Pulse + Cyclonic IV + Shield Booster V + Shields Restoration Melee will make it extremely easy to solo Gold for any player.

A lot of players that has never even been able to get the Lone Wolf banner using the Kroguard will get the banner easily now. And just because of that I would say that he is OP because it requires even less skill than using the Kroguard (never thought that was possible!).

exactly, even when you used kroguard you could get sync grabbed. 

[orehlol]

Dorick wrote...

orehlol wrote...

Dorick,
If Juggernaut is OP complete a Platinum solo on Condor vs Collectors(w/ out cheesy tactics).
Then I will agree

sure, if you do it with a salarian engineer so that we establish the jugg and salarian are evenly balanced. 

Oh, and no "cheesy tactics" k?

I only picked collectors for you bc them possessed abominations spam

[Lathlaer]

I am wondering if it's worth taking the last shield boosting evolution on its fitness...this -15% damage hurts a lot.

[Dorick]

orehlol wrote...

Dorick wrote...

orehlol wrote...

Dorick,
If Juggernaut is OP complete a Platinum solo on Condor vs Collectors(w/ out cheesy tactics).
Then I will agree

sure, if you do it with a salarian engineer so that we establish the jugg and salarian are evenly balanced. 

Oh, and no "cheesy tactics" k?

I only picked collectors for you bc them possessed abominations spam

When facing a possessed abomination you have two choice, ignore and continue to kite more dangerous enemies, use sync grab to make the abomination fall over, then just take a step back and shoot. 

[Dorick]

Lathlaer wrote...

I am wondering if it's worth taking the last shield boosting evolution on its fitness...this -15% damage hurts a lot.

15% decrease in damage for a 75% increase in shields? Yes plz. With the PPR, you hardly notice. 

[Ares Caesar]

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

[Lathlaer]

Dorick wrote...

Lathlaer wrote...

I am wondering if it's worth taking the last shield boosting evolution on its fitness...this -15% damage hurts a lot.

15% decrease in damage for a 75% increase in shields? Yes plz. With the PPR, you hardly notice. 

Yeah, today after work I'm going to try him with my melee/pulse cannon idea (shotgun with omni blade, everything for power damage so that pulse cannon does good damage and my heavy melee will be able to actually kill something) but if it doesn't work, I'll try with more shields and a better weapon.

[Dorick]

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

[Viryu]

Blind2Society wrote...

Isn't everything easy mode on console because of the whole frame rate thing?

What do frame rates have to do with playing on consoles being easier?

[Ares Caesar]

Dorick wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

Except the part where I actually defined your bad arguments, and you simply said "you suck!" 

When you can actually make a point, you might have one... until then, you're just spewing nonsense.

[Lathlaer]

About this framerate discussion: it matters only when you move with some decent speed. I hardly think it makes a difference with the speed Juggernaut sports.

[ShadowHound]

Over powered as a prime or over powered as a new character?

[Caldari Ghost]

Ares Caesar wrote...

Dorick wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

Except the part where I actually defined your bad arguments, and you simply said "you suck!" 

When you can actually make a point, you might have one... until then, you're just spewing nonsense.

yep.......

hey OP, you know what a geth infiltrator is?

He's got more survivability than the juggernaut but he also does far more damage. nerf him.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 27 février 2013 - 10:16 .

[Dorick]

Ares Caesar wrote...

Dorick wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

Except the part where I actually defined your bad arguments, and you simply said "you suck!" 

When you can actually make a point, you might have one... until then, you're just spewing nonsense.

ok:

1. "So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"??? " 
Yes.

2. You cant say this kit isnt OP on account of him not being able to nuke spaws.The majority of matches arent speed runs, and I wouldnt want them to be anyways. You've also clearly oversold how easily the other players will be clearing spawns, not on platinum sir. Not when 3 primes spawn on jade. Not when banshees, engineers, and phantoms spawn together. 

3. Getting grabbed isnt time efficient. Geth jugg only kit that doesnt get grabbed. 

4. "The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something"
That's my definition. 

5. Except I dont play for credits, I play for the challenge of the game. You are essentially saying he's not OP bc he doesnt earn money as fast. Which is obviously debatable, but more importantly has nothing to do with player skill and the balance of a kit compared to the rest of the kits. 

Happy? I wasted my time arguing w u. 

Modifié par Dorick, 27 février 2013 - 10:26 .

[Dorick]

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

Dorick wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

Except the part where I actually defined your bad arguments, and you simply said "you suck!" 

When you can actually make a point, you might have one... until then, you're just spewing nonsense.

yep.......

hey OP, you know what a geth infiltrator is?

He's got more survivability than the juggernaut but he also does far more damage. nerf him.

LOL! ok. 

You're dumb

[frustratemyself]

Congrats here's a cookie



Just cause you can solo plat with him doesn't mean everyone can.

[Dorick]

frustratemyself wrote...

Congrats here's a cookie



Just cause you can solo plat with him doesn't mean everyone can.

I actually want a cookie now. 

[Caldari Ghost]

not spam.

Modifié par Caldari Ghost, 27 février 2013 - 10:32 .

[Caldari Ghost]

Dorick wrote...

Caldari Ghost wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

Dorick wrote...

Ares Caesar wrote...

So because its one of the easier kits to solo with, its "overpowered"???

Play in a group with good players running nearly any full speed kit, and you'll be middle of the pack at best... the only thing you can walk out of the match saying positively is "Hey, at least I got easy credits and didnt need consumables!" - because everyone will be nuking spawns before you can get there, and there will be so few enemies shooting at you that you'll never need medigel (because everyone will be getting to them first).

Sorry, but nerfing the kit would just be stupid, because while its probably the most survivable, its right up there in the least "time efficient" kits in the game... sure if you want to spend all day playing the game, its "OP" but if you actually want to earn credits, and finish matches in a reasonable time, its average at best.

The Geth Jug. is only overpowered if you define "overpowered" by the ability to do something, rather than the time and efficiency in completing an action. You can play 1 million bronze matches without spending a single consumable ever and max your manifest, does that make bronze "OP" ??? (while someone else plays 1,000 Gold game instead to do the same thing).

Wow this whole post is riddled with bad arguments. 

Except the part where I actually defined your bad arguments, and you simply said "you suck!" 

When you can actually make a point, you might have one... until then, you're just spewing nonsense.

yep.......

hey OP, you know what a geth infiltrator is?

He's got more survivability than the juggernaut but he also does far more damage. nerf him.

LOL! ok. 

You're dumb

exactly.

[Dorick]

caldari, you dbl posted. Also, I counter argued Ares' post

[Wolf610]

I earned a gold revive medal off of two in a Condor/Reapers/Gold match, revived another 7 times in a Vancouver/Collectors/Silver match, and have been picking them up all day. I say buff him, he's too weak. **Disclaimer: that was sarcasm**

Player skill =/= Overpowered Kit

I've been reviving Juggernauts all day. That's the evidence I need to say noobs with no skills won't be soloing a damn thing with him.

[Caldari Ghost]

Dorick wrote...

caldari, you dbl posted. Also, I counter argued Ares' post

thank you for pointing that out. I hate it when that happens.

[Dorick]

Wolf610 wrote...

I earned a gold revive medal off of two in a Condor/Reapers/Gold match, revived another 7 times in a Vancouver/Collectors/Silver match, and have been picking them up all day. I say buff him, he's too weak. **Disclaimer: that was sarcasm**

Player skill =/= Overpowered Kit

I've been reviving Juggernauts all day. That's the evidence I need to say noobs with no skills won't be soloing a damn thing with him.

its bc the jugg makes a player overconfident, and they err. 

The community has to practice the extent of the Jugg's dps/survivability balance. 

also, bad players doesnt mean the jugg is balanced.