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[Constant Motion]

m4sterch3f wrote...

yea sexbot seems like a politically correct name to me. I really dont see what else it could be called with all those curves

If you can't see anything with all those curves as anything other than a sexbot, that is precisely the opposite of political correctness.

The design's a bit dodgy, too, but at least it makes sense in-universe - it's a robot that's meant to fit in with human society, and a lot of blokes are more likely to bend over backwards to help a pretty face on a buxom body - and that probably includes myself more often than I'd like to admit. But purely aesthetically, it's a design that works. It's a nice looking robot. That doesn't mean it's there to shag your **** off. It's more for infiltration. And smashing reapers' heads in. In fact, the infiltration unit doesn't have sex once in the entire single player. But cos it looks nice, that's all it's for? No. Not biting.

Sexbot, as a name, feels kind of degrading from where I'm standing, and I do feel a bit embarrassed whenever I see people using it. That said, I've been calling it Femputer, so it's not like I'm above a stupid joke. I do agree that it's a grey area - the AIU is, in the most literal terms, a sexualised object, and Sexbot is kind of protesting against that kind of shallow teenage pandering - so I'm not judging anyone who calls it that, but it's not a phrase I'm comfortable using. I'm not convinced a sexualised object and a sex object are the same thing. I'm dearly hoping the word shrivels up and dies, but fearing it probably won't.

In conclusion: DOES NOT FEMPUTE.

Modifié par Constant Motion, 27 février 2013 - 02:51 .

[m4sterch3f]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

I call her EDI.

Which is the only thing a smart person would call the delightful, intelligent, compassionate being who controls the Normandy's Airlocks.

I will take that into consideration next time I get on the Normandy..... which will be never since I will never touch campaign again!

[Chameleonbot]

Icinix wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

Chameleonbot wrote...

Sorry, but it deserves it.

The character design for EDI was absolutely atrocious/abysmal and I'm glad that community is labeling it as so because it really does well and truly deserve it.
Hell, even Jack calls EDI a sexbot in the single player story... so really, its lore-friendly.

But that doesn't stop the concept of her design being cheap, trashy and lazy.

Hey! Thats why we love her, right?

The design is cheap and trashy sure - and you can argue about it being her personality and character that is important.

But I think there is a deeper issue with her having the body at all - especially in extended cut with Shep helping a wounded EDI body back to the ship while the third squad member limped behind. It was a shell and a machine - and ME2 really pushed EDI being the Normandy - so the focus on EDI's body being more than that (when the Multiplayer has now made it an easily replaceable item) kind of took the focus off of EDI and put it on the sexbot.

The design cheapened her character immensely, could not take her seriously anymore and NEVER had her in my squad unless I was forced to through the story.
EDI's character WAS great, but it was just shadowed by her completely AWFUL character design and (As a Character Artist) it really annoyed me as it was a complete waste of what the artist at BW are capable of.

So as good as I hear her kit is, I really cant be bothered to try it out as BW didn't even TRY to make her different... Same face and everything.

KalilKareem wrote...

Hey! Thats why we love her, right?

Well, that's why I completely LOATHE her.

[celestialfury]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Nissun wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So calling her a sexbot is immature... But designing a robotic body that looks like a naked woman in bodypaint... is... not?
 

Fembot or EDIbot makes more sense since she's in the form of a female & she looks like EDI. But sex has nothing to do with anything here. When I hear or see "sexbot" all I think of are all the retarded immature little kids we have to put up with on Xbox Live. <_<

Edi's body was unnecessarily sexualized. I hate it when people try to brush that off, and fail to see why that trend is immature and offensive in videogame design.

So I call her sexbot, because her looks were designed to be sexually attractive first and foremost, and I don't like it when people try to sugarcoat things like that.

 so it's offensive to make the female form alluring, but when males are designed to be buff, ripped and chiseled, pretty much the ideal look for men, it's alright?

lol, and when does that happen exactly? does it happen with the same severity that it does to female characters? 
Call me when many male characters in mass effect are half naked with rendered genitalia. So tired of this desperate excuse. 

Modifié par celestialfury, 27 février 2013 - 02:54 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So calling her a sexbot is immature... But designing a robotic body that looks like a naked woman in bodypaint... is... not?
 

Fembot or EDIbot makes more sense since she's in the form of a female & she looks like EDI. But sex has nothing to do with anything here. When I hear or see "sexbot" all I think of are all the retarded immature little kids we have to put up with on Xbox Live. <_<

Culturally, "Fembot" implies the same thing as "Sexbot". Plus, it didn't help that much that this is more or less the way EDI was presented, as a trope. But now that, all of a sudden, EDI has gone from a one-of-a-kind gynoid into just one of a whole line of mass-produced 'infiltrators', the name sexbot is gonna stick for sure.

This might just be me being cynical, ofc.

[Twinkles DeVere]

I call her sexbot
I'm being ironically immature 

Ahahahahaha!

Ps. I iz lady too

[nicethugbert]

Not if you lube her.

[Nissun]

nicethugbert wrote...

Not if you lube her.

I'm going to hell for laughing so hard.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

celestialfury wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Nissun wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So calling her a sexbot is immature... But designing a robotic body that looks like a naked woman in bodypaint... is... not?
 

Fembot or EDIbot makes more sense since she's in the form of a female & she looks like EDI. But sex has nothing to do with anything here. When I hear or see "sexbot" all I think of are all the retarded immature little kids we have to put up with on Xbox Live. <_<

Edi's body was unnecessarily sexualized. I hate it when people try to brush that off, and fail to see why that trend is immature and offensive in videogame design.

So I call her sexbot, because her looks were designed to be sexually attractive first and foremost, and I don't like it when people try to sugarcoat things like that.

 so it's offensive to make the female form alluring, but when males are designed to be buff, ripped and chiseled, pretty much the ideal look for men, it's alright?

lol, and when does that happen exactly? does it happen with the same severity that it does to female characters? 
Call me when many male characters in mass effect are half naked with rendered genitalia. So tired of this desperate excuse. 

 It isn't desperate, male lead characters are often extremely fit, muscular, in many cases quite handsome as well, they represent the ideal male. Women are idealized physically as well,  perfect breasts, curvy etc etc. Humans are creatures who like eye candy. These games are designed by males mostly, and they put what they think males would like to see. It offending someone is their own personal malfunction. It would be like me getting angry at Arnold when I watch conan the barbarian. He walked around with no shirt on most of the movie and wore a loin cloth. Or kratos, if we want to talk about video games, no shirt, barely wore "clothing", an extremely fit and muscular idealized male.

[Saans Shadow]

Yes OP it's going to stick, boys will be boys <_<

[celestialfury]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

celestialfury wrote...

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Nissun wrote...

N7 Shadow SR2 wrote...

Nissun wrote...

So calling her a sexbot is immature... But designing a robotic body that looks like a naked woman in bodypaint... is... not?
 

Fembot or EDIbot makes more sense since she's in the form of a female & she looks like EDI. But sex has nothing to do with anything here. When I hear or see "sexbot" all I think of are all the retarded immature little kids we have to put up with on Xbox Live. <_<

Edi's body was unnecessarily sexualized. I hate it when people try to brush that off, and fail to see why that trend is immature and offensive in videogame design.

So I call her sexbot, because her looks were designed to be sexually attractive first and foremost, and I don't like it when people try to sugarcoat things like that.

 so it's offensive to make the female form alluring, but when males are designed to be buff, ripped and chiseled, pretty much the ideal look for men, it's alright?

lol, and when does that happen exactly? does it happen with the same severity that it does to female characters? 
Call me when many male characters in mass effect are half naked with rendered genitalia. So tired of this desperate excuse. 

 It isn't desperate, male lead characters are often extremely fit, muscular, in many cases quite handsome as well, they represent the ideal male. Women are idealized physically as well,  perfect breasts, curvy etc etc. Humans are creatures who like eye candy. These games are designed by males mostly, and they put what they think males would like to see. It offending someone is their own personal malfunction. It would be like me getting angry at Arnold when I watch conan the barbarian. He walked around with no shirt on most of the movie and wore a loin cloth. Or kratos, if we want to talk about video games, no shirt, barely wore "clothing", an extremely fit and muscular idealized male.

Yes it is, because women lead characters are just as in shape as the male characters. That's not what people are talking about, the issue is sexualization, which male characters aren't. Jack half-naked, Miranda's ass,Samara's cleavage, Edi's form and camel-toes, etc? Blatantly dishonest to try and argu that ''male characters are muscular'' is the same thing. 
Men get idealized to be powerful, it's a male power fantasy, women get sexualized and objectified, another male fantasy. It's your own personal malfunction if you're unable to see the difference, I guess. 

[KalilKareem]

nicethugbert wrote...

Not if you lube her.

/thread

[Twinkles DeVere]

Bleurgh. Due to the on-going discussion above I feel like addressing the serious point.

Let's sum up what we got...

Are female characters in video games stereotypical and over sexualised? Yes.

Are male characters in video games stereotypical and over sexualised? Also yes.

Are the female characters usually a little bit more nakey and stupid than the male characters? Eh, usually...yes.

Is this offensive to ladies AND treats men like idiots? Yup.

Is this bringing up a generation of kids with weird warped views of male/female relationships? It probably doesn't help.

Is BSN the true and proper place to discuss this? Considering it's got a full complement of regular weirdo's/mad dudes/dudettes/kneejerkreactionists/full-onsexistsofbothgenders...THAT WOULD BE A VERY BAD IDEA

Modifié par Twinkles DeVere, 27 février 2013 - 03:08 .

[Hoz_Hun]

Join the topic... It's a sex-bot to me (with gun). Do not care how other call her.. well... IT.

[xBUMMx]

Where's Stardusk with his statistics?

Seriously guys, this threads heading in the same direction. I vote for just giving it up. We'll call it what we want, other opinions won't change that. This argument won't go anywhere. While I personally don't like the model, I'd rather not have a repeat of the same thread we've had so many times. I do agree that the body did ruin EDI's character IMO, but this isn't the place for that.

Nissun, I know you probably don't want to leave it alone, but it's probably for the best that we try to let this thread die.

Modifié par xBUMMx, 27 février 2013 - 03:13 .

[DragonRacer]

Twinkles DeVere wrote...

I call her sexbot
I'm being ironically immature 

Ahahahahaha!

Ps. I iz lady too

I just call her EDIbot, but I do LOL that there are now actual e-boobs.

Nissun wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

Not if you lube her.

I'm going to hell for laughing so hard.

I'll be joining you there, as that comment literally won the Internet for the day. Everybody can go home now; it won't be topped.

[TheWaggler]

I can't call it that because of WKUK:

[Liamv2]

Gigidy goo all right

[Giantdeathrobot]

Know what? I'll stop calling her/it sexbot when she/it gets a male counterpart. A robot with chiseled abs, handsome face, and perfect bottocks. Maybe an erect penis to compete with the cameltoe. They will be KenBot and BarbieBot. Gender equality, ho!

Except that would look ridiculous, wouldn't it? Well FemBot looks just as silly. The body was designed with SEX in mind first and foremost, by Bioware no less. So using SexBot to refer to it is in no way offensive. Sorry.

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

Yes it is, because women lead characters are just as in shape as the male characters. That's not what people are talking about, the issue is sexualization, which male characters aren't. Jack half-naked, Miranda's ass,Samara's cleavage, Edi's form and camel-toes, etc? Blatantly dishonest to try and argu that ''male characters are muscular'' is the same thing. 
Men get idealized to be powerful, it's a male power fantasy, women get sexualized and objectified, another male fantasy. It's your own personal malfunction if you're unable to see the difference, I guess. 

 No I am saying that there is nothing wrong with making someone look attractive, which is about the same thing as them being sexualized. I don't see why people get up in arms about such things. I can list plenty of other games that have  barely clothed male protagonists but somehow that doesn't count as being sexual in your book? Only when it's done to women? I just think that there are other better things to get riled up over, like if a game sucks, or has crappy mechanics. The things people focus on often make no sense, someone can be offended at a female character's rear end, but in that very same game have no issues with literally shooting and exploding another person's head. Why isn't that an issue? because it's a game, and they are meant to entertain, and shouldn't be taken seriously or used as a medium to promote some sort of social ideal.

[celestialfury]

ThelLastTruePatriot wrote...

Yes it is, because women lead characters are just as in shape as the male characters. That's not what people are talking about, the issue is sexualization, which male characters aren't. Jack half-naked, Miranda's ass,Samara's cleavage, Edi's form and camel-toes, etc? Blatantly dishonest to try and argu that ''male characters are muscular'' is the same thing. 
Men get idealized to be powerful, it's a male power fantasy, women get sexualized and objectified, another male fantasy. It's your own personal malfunction if you're unable to see the difference, I guess. 

 No I am saying that there is nothing wrong with making someone look attractive, which is about the same thing as them being sexualized. I don't see why people get up in arms about such things. I can list plenty of other games that have  barely clothed male protagonists but somehow that doesn't count as being sexual in your book? Only when it's done to women? I just think that there are other better things to get riled up over, like if a game sucks, or has crappy mechanics. The things people focus on often make no sense, someone can be offended at a female character's rear end, but in that very same game have no issues with literally shooting and exploding another person's head. Why isn't that an issue? because it's a game, and they are meant to entertain, and shouldn't be taken seriously or used as a medium to promote some sort of social ideal.

A character can be attractive without being sexualized, it's not hard, and Bioware are better than this. But I don't think that you're willing to get it. My point is that female characters should be treated the same way male characters are.

Or do the opposite: treat the male characters like the female ones, and watch men squirm 

[SolidBeast]

PureGeth wrote...

Kinom001 wrote...

Some may. I won't. It's a juvenile phrase.

You're playing a MATURE video game with sex, violence, blood, guts and gore in it, and calling a bot that looks like a !@$% 'sexbot' is juvinile?

This wins the stupidest post of the day award. Congrats. There was even some competition.

[Blitzkrieg_33]

I have a good idea: If we want the term "sexbot" to go away, we should start a thread focused on discussing the term "sexbot"

Brilliant!

[Heggy]

Should have just called it the Alliance Infiltrator (AI).

[CroGamer002]

When I say "sexbot", I'm not being humorous.

I just despise that oversexualised design, because designer of it has mind of a horny teenager.