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[WIREGRIF 21]

I agree with his opinion on EDI BOT.

[B.Shep]

No need to change the kit. She is fun that way and besides we don't need another "Krysae nerf case"

[xyzmkrysvr]

RedJohn wrote...
I took my time to read every single coment here, i read some people calling me elitist, which is funny because I am not elitist.

Well, your thread title seems a little elitist to me... You're basically saying "I'm a BSN celebrity, so everybody listen to my opinion instead of the other fifty threads that were already created about the EDI bot!" 

And in the OP, you also said 

RedJohn wrote... Now first of all, I am not the kind of player who complain about if something is OP, if something needs to be nerfed, buffed etc etc, no.

...and then proceeded to call for a nerf (or balance change or whatever you want to call it). *facepalm*

Just play the game and let Bioware decide what to balance. They've said before that they use their own metric and testing for determining what needs to be fixed. 

[inversevideo]

*sigh* - I see I will need to do attempt some gold solos before the nerf.

FWIW I think she is awesome, and fine as is.

[UnknownMercenary]

I agree that if any power needs a reworking it's Repair Matrix.

The free revive is ridiculous (and if you can revive from sync kills that's waaaaaaaaay over the line) but it still has a double edged sword where it can revive you in range of a sync kill unit, or if you're overrun you'll immediately revive into a bad situation.

Taking away the free revive, the survivability this power gives is very high. It already combines Adrenaline Module, Tech Armor and Ops Pack into one ability, and unlike Stim Packs, there is no cast animation so it will activate much faster.

Unless I am mistaken, it also appears to reset shield gate while restoring shields...

The offensive power is not as high as it would seem on paper (a shotgun GI will still put out more damage IMO) but she is very hard to kill in the hands of a semi-skilled player, so she trivializes carrying bad PUGs and solos.

I can see it now: Bioware gives it a token nerf a month from now but people will whine that they went too far and "we can't have nice things" even though she will still be very powerful. Most likely they will reduce the DR and duration of RM.

edit: Ok, so she can't auto revive from a sync kill.

Modifié par UnknownMercenary, 27 février 2013 - 04:27 .

[Alijah Green]

Sit on it, eat it, whatever it you want you got it.....Didn't once complain about the Tank not being able to be sync killed. no just the fact you might have the chance, if you happened to have it active, to get back up......INDOCTRINATION

[Fortack]

We had the lolreegar. Now we also have the lolbot with lolmatrix too ...

[RaptorSolutions]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

I agree that if any power needs a reworking it's Repair Matrix.

The free revive is ridiculous (and if you can revive from sync kills that's waaaaaaaaay over the line) but it still has a double edged sword where it can revive you in range of a sync kill unit, or if you're overrun you'll immediately revive into a bad situation.

Taking away the free revive, the survivability this power gives is very high. It already combines Adrenaline Module, Tech Armor and Ops Pack into one ability, and unlike Stim Packs, there is no cast animation so it will activate much faster.

Unless I am mistaken, it also appears to reset shield gate while restoring shields...

The offensive power is not as high as it would seem on paper (a shotgun GI will still put out more damage IMO) but she is very hard to kill in the hands of a semi-skilled player, so she trivializes carrying bad PUGs and solos.

I can see it now: Bioware gives it a token nerf a month from now but people will whine that they went too far and "we can't have nice things" even though she will still be very powerful. Most likely they will reduce the DR and duration of RM.

Maybe its BWs response to the complaints about carrying bad PUGs...

[eye basher]

Give people an easy button and they will use it is not the characters fault is the player.

[Ryumanjisen]

I just finished a couple of matches with this new sexbot, both on gold.

I wholeheartedly agree with the original poster. She is, by definition, truly overpowered thanks to the Repair Matrix. Pop one of these, charge against the enemy spawn, kill all of them without fearing to be killed, rinse...and repeat.

[K_O_513]

Kedax wrote...

Great kit. Makes useless players gold/plat viable

No it doesn't.

Anyway, if she gets nerfed, whatever. Won't affect me too much. I don't die that much anyway (on host at least) so the auto-revive isn't even that big a deal to me. The DR is nice too much not that great on low shields (especially if you spec out of Fitness). Playing like an idiot will still get you murdered quite easily, as playing like an idiot with any class will.

[Ryumanjisen]

Kedax wrote...

Anyway, if she gets nerfed, whatever. Won't affect me too much. I don't die that much anyway (on host at least) so the auto-revive isn't even that big a deal to me. The DR is nice too much not that great on low shields (especially if you spec out of Fitness). Playing like an idiot will still get you murdered quite easily, as playing like an idiot with any class will.

That's not the point. Of course you won't die too much if you play her like, say, the Geth Infiltrator. The problem is, in good hands, repair matrix make her an engine of destruction that doesn't need to worry about taking cover or running away, because she will be back on her feet in no time. That' why she is overpowered and broken as hell.

[Gao Qiu]

Just tried the kit out - yes, definitely OP, but I'll go with the "so what" crowd. Using this kit will definitely get too vanilla with repetition, so all of the other great kits will still definitely get their play time. I always get an itch to play classic kits from time to time, the original human adept is probably still my favorite over all.

If this kit raises the level of PUGs throughout the gameverse, I'm all for it. If it doesn't, then what's the problem? In any case, I'm sure Bioware doesn't base their balance change strategy on any forum thread (no matter how well and favorably known the OP is) but rather gameplay numbers and statistics. I remember a dev saying that if the numbers show any one kit/weapon is beginning to dominate the meta game to the extent of negatively impacting the gameplay experience for many, then it's probably surfin' for a nerfin'!

One other point - the ones calling for a change may be doing so as sort of a pre-emotive strike. Better to shape a nerd that is reasonable and won't ruin what is a genuinely great kit than to leave her to Fagnan's tender mercies and get completely disemboweled!

Modifié par Gao Qiu, 27 février 2013 - 04:56 .

[lwb1977]

Why is it such a big deal if EDI is OP? Who is it hurting if someone tops the scoreboard with her? Everyone still gets paid. It's not like someone is using an overpowered character to repeatedly kill you in deathmatch or something. Why not have a few kits and weapons that are a little OP to occasionally take out and have fun for some smooth gold money. Lord knows there's alot of packs between me and high level URs, hehe.

[Curzyfish]

lwb1977 wrote...

Why is it such a big deal if EDI is OP? Who is it hurting if someone tops the scoreboard with her? Everyone still gets paid. It's not like someone is using an overpowered character to repeatedly kill you in deathmatch or something. Why not have a few kits and weapons that are a little OP to occasionally take out and have fun for some smooth gold money. Lord knows there's alot of packs between me and high level URs, hehe.

It's more than a 'little' OP.  The ability to revive herself without a med gel? That also gives DR, move speed, and shield regen?

Why is that all on one ability?

[K_O_513]

Ryumanjisen wrote...

Kedax wrote...

Anyway, if she gets nerfed, whatever. Won't affect me too much. I don't die that much anyway (on host at least) so the auto-revive isn't even that big a deal to me. The DR is nice too much not that great on low shields (especially if you spec out of Fitness). Playing like an idiot will still get you murdered quite easily, as playing like an idiot with any class will.

That's not the point. Of course you won't die too much if you play her like, say, the Geth Infiltrator. The problem is, in good hands, repair matrix make her an engine of destruction that doesn't need to worry about taking cover or running away, because she will be back on her feet in no time. That' why she is overpowered and broken as hell.

In the hands of a good player, almost any kit is like that though. And I play her the same way I play the Geth Infiltrator or the Drell Adept or Batarian Soldier: very aggressively with minimal to no deaths. It's just that once you get used to the game it's not that hard in and of itself.

The one thing that I will say is cheap is being able to revive from sync kills. But I'm sure if that is happening to people that it's a glitch. Other than that, auto-revive doesn't mean anything if the person is just going to get downed again instantly or get sync killed as soon as they get up.

[waltervolpatto]

but but bot...

I like it!

(fuzzy fuzzy cute cute)

[xZBx]

Great, I haven't even been able to play with her and look at all these threads.

My last exam for a while ends tonight, after that, I'll enjoy whatever days before next tuesday comes with the possibility of the knee-jerk nerf.

Modifié par xZBx, 27 février 2013 - 04:56 .

[Enhanced]

If you think something is too powerful, don't use it.  In the case of repair matrix, spec out of it. Problem solved. It's not OP anymore.

Modifié par Enhanced, 27 février 2013 - 04:59 .

[Ryumanjisen]

Kedax wrote...

In the hands of a good player, almost any kit is like that though. And I play her the same way I play the Geth Infiltrator or the Drell Adept or Batarian Soldier: very aggressively with minimal to no deaths. It's just that once you get used to the game it's not that hard in and of itself.

That's not true. With any other of those kits you need to look for soft cover or retreat to avoid dying. She doesn't need to lose time doing such trivial things. 

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Put a Wraith on her. Better than every other shotgun on the AIU.

[RedJohn]

xyzmkrysvr wrote...

RedJohn wrote...
I took my time to read every single coment here, i read some people calling me elitist, which is funny because I am not elitist.

Well, your thread title seems a little elitist to me... You're basically saying "I'm a BSN celebrity, so everybody listen to my opinion instead of the other fifty threads that were already created about the EDI bot!" 

And in the OP, you also said 

RedJohn wrote... Now first of all, I am not the kind of player who complain about if something is OP, if something needs to be nerfed, buffed etc etc, no.

...and then proceeded to call for a nerf (or balance change or whatever you want to call it). *facepalm*

Just play the game and let Bioware decide what to balance. They've said before that they use their own metric and testing for determining what needs to be fixed. 

I facepalm at your lack of comprehension of why did I say that.

As the people who know me here know, I never complain about if something is broken or not, i'm very neutral, but this time had to be different because it's too big.

I never said a word about Stim pack being OP, i never minded, never said something about tactical cloak or any other power, I just like enjoy the game and let others enjoy it, but this time a single ability compromises the whole balance which is not good, that's why I stated my opinion about Repair Matrix.


And if my post looked elitist for you then you should be new on Internet

[DeathNyx]

Wraith and Reegar are very strong with her but I still like to use Evabot as a sniper. Valiant + Talon

[MaxCrushmore]

Somehow I knew when I checked BSN this morning there would be 500 posts about this character ...

She sucks, with her underpowered powers and her slow moving speed ... nah, I can't do it .. was hoping to convince people NOT to ask for a nerf.

So I played my first match with her as level 11 on Gold with a wraith and holy crap, ridiculous. So I wanted to see how far I could take the dominance and next match equipped her with the reegar with incendiary IV ammo. Hmmm ... cloak, snap freeze shoot, and every boss would die.

This is the first character to surpass the GI in damage capability, while combining a Drell speed base (and add +%20 to that speed with the 'matrix'). Plus instant self revives LOL, even her forward and reverse dodges are the best in the game.

This character (with a little practice) can take the average bronze player and turn them into contributing gold players, or turn silver regulars into platinum regulars.

FYI there is no character in the game which approaches the sheer dominance of this character ... TGI, GI, Juggernaut, Warlord, Kroguard ...

Hey, this is a great send off gift for the bottom %60 of the player field, because now these people get the chance to play difficulties they never could have with another character, so I think it is a nice touch from that perspective. For good players, there isn't a difficulty high enough to use this character in a challenging way, but so what ...

I vote to leave it as is

[lwb1977]

Curzyfish wrote...

lwb1977 wrote...

Why is it such a big deal if EDI is OP? Who is it hurting if someone tops the scoreboard with her? Everyone still gets paid. It's not like someone is using an overpowered character to repeatedly kill you in deathmatch or something. Why not have a few kits and weapons that are a little OP to occasionally take out and have fun for some smooth gold money. Lord knows there's alot of packs between me and high level URs, hehe.

It's more than a 'little' OP.  The ability to revive herself without a med gel? That also gives DR, move speed, and shield regen?

Why is that all on one ability?

Again, I ask you, why is it such a big deal?  Who is it hurting that all that is on one ability?  What do I care if someone decides they can consistently do well on gold with EDI and only EDI?  Just another capable player on gold is fine with me.