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[K_O_513]

Ryumanjisen wrote...

Kedax wrote...

In the hands of a good player, almost any kit is like that though. And I play her the same way I play the Geth Infiltrator or the Drell Adept or Batarian Soldier: very aggressively with minimal to no deaths. It's just that once you get used to the game it's not that hard in and of itself.

That's not true. With any other of those kits you need to look for soft cover or retreat to avoid dying. She doesn't need to lose time doing such trivial things.

Lol with those kits I mentioned (which are just a few examples) you can kill everything before it gets a chance to kill you. So you don't need to run away or even take cover most of the time. And that's only by yourself. That's not even factoring in teammates. Those classes are more "EZ mode" noob friendly than her considering you don't even have to aim most of the time. Here's how I look at it:

If you are bad, lack situational awareness and are incapable of killing things efficiently, that will be the case no matter how much you revive yourself. You're just going to sit there and go through the same situation over and over. Maybe that is broken idk. All i'm saying is it doesn't make bad players any better than any other kit does. And as much as people on this site complain about PUGs (the majority of the playerbase) being bad, one would think they would feel the same way.

[Esrever]

I haven't played in months, but when I heard this DLC was coming out I logged on, and now have all the new characters. I've tried em all except the Collector, but this 1 was.. Funny. I was just completely messing around, checking out the new skills and I just couldn't die (and if I did, I got revived automatically thanks to Repair Matrix).

It's one of those classes I kinda feel embarrassed to use, like the TGI + Harrier before, but at the same time if I'm pugging 100% of my matches (which I do) it's my new go to class when I'm running low on consumables.

Agree with the OP. It's still a great class without Repair Matrix, so I would definitely welcome a drastic change to the skill. If there was ever a "crutch" skill, this would be the one.

[inert14]

I'm with RedJohn. Only Repair Matrix needs a look. Incendiary + Snap Freeze is fine, and doesn't out damage the GI.

I'd suggest something along the lines of the following:

-Keep DR and speed bonus, one free revive per wave, not per charge.
-Slight buff to movement speed and DR, one free revive per match.
-Larger buff to DR and movement speed, no free revives
-Nerf DR and movement speed, keep free revives.

I couldn't decide on which one I'd like to see.I figure I'll only use this character until I have the ten extractions or if I'm running low on medigel (TGI/Havoc when running out of ops packs). I prefer there to be a little more risk to my rewards.

[Ryumanjisen]

Kedax wrote...

Lol with those kits I mentioned (which are just a few examples) you can kill everything before it gets a chance to kill you. So you don't need to run away or even take cover most of the time. And that's only by yourself. That's not even factoring in teammates. 

Tell that to a Platinum (perhaps even Gold) group of two geth primes, two flamers and a hunter shooting directly at you.  And yes, you don't need to worry about them if you are the sexbot.

Modifié par Ryumanjisen, 27 février 2013 - 05:14 .

[MaxCrushmore]

Also, my brother made another good point about this .. the pool of available players for gold PUGs has been decreasing, it is tough to find players for these games ... this character will enable more people to play gold, hence keeping the game alive longer.

[El Franko]

Dee V3 wrote...

Budukai wrote...

What about the negatives. If geth surround her she is gg even with all the revives. Pretty sure executions still work on her, what if you auto revive next to a Banshee. I agree that something needs to be nerfed. I'm sure it'll be the shield regen speed or even shield reduction. Still like the Cabal more =3

Sorry, none of the factions have anything groundbreaking to stop her, this includes stun lock. As far as sync kill on wake up is concerned, Lol. If repair matrix is used to revive you and you get sync killed, you'll go through the animation and be free to run away as soon as it ends. The skill is definitely not working as intended. ''This can only occur once'' does not mean once per cast. I'm almost positive it means once per match and will be fixed. Hell even once per wave is fine. But once per cast? Well we all see the outcome.

Precisely. The Turian Ghost is pretty much the same thing except change snap freeze to overload, and instead of instantly getting revived, you get +4000 shields instantly. 

The combination of Overload and Assault Rifle damage means you can be very effective at longer ranges than AIU.

So it's more of a variation of what was already there. They haven't nerfed The Turian Ghost, the drell, etc. So there's little reason to believe trying to make things harder is the way to go.

They are making the game easier, and again I think it's for the best the quality of public games in terms of map, enemy choices will broaden, just like with the last DLC people stopped farming geth/gold/firebase white.

The random lobbies I have played, it seems people in general are having fun with the new kits/gear/weapons even on platinum. So I think Fun > Competition.

and even with the new additions people can still get killed early in a game, so the game is easier, not completely easy.

[K_O_513]

Ryumanjisen wrote...

Kedax wrote...

Lol with those kits I mentioned (which are just a few examples) you can kill everything before it gets a chance to kill you. So you don't need to run away or even take cover most of the time. And that's only by yourself. That's not even factoring in teammates. 

Tell that to a Platinum (perhaps even Gold) group of two geth primes, two flamers and a hunter shooting directly at you.  And yes, you don't need to worry about them if you are the sexbot.

In that scenario, yeah she will revive herself but just die again instantly. If she's able to get through the stunlock and hit another Repair Matrix, it'll just be the same thing over and over. Whether she revived herself or got curbstomped, both situations would end up with her having to wait on teammates to come and save her.

[RedJohn]

Sorry for this but I think all the typical "if you think it's OP then don't use it" coments are very stupid.

This is not something I am doing for me, I do it for the player base and for the game balance, i'm not calling it Overpowered for what I can do with it, let's be sincere, I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.


I'm not complaining about the damage output, for me is fine, what is not fine is Repair Matrix, as I said before, it breaks risk-reward relation.

It's like have a legal trainer with infinite health, a legal cheat.

Most cheats are not allowed in this game because they compromise all difficulties, same happens with this character, you can go and run to any spawn without worry about even medigel because you can have 40 instant revives without visit an ammo box plus 6 medigel, but is not only that, it doesn't have cooldown, it provides speed, damage reduction, it gives you back the shieldgate, it's just erase all the risk only leaving a maximum reward.


So please, if you will only come and say "if you think it's OP then just don't play it" please, at least give a reasonable argument of why it should stay like that instead of spread the stupidity in that way.

[MADDPADD]

[Ryumanjisen]

Kedax wrote...

In that scenario, yeah she will revive herself but just die again instantly. If she's able to get through the stunlock and hit another Repair Matrix, it'll just be the same thing over and over. Whether she revived herself or got curbstomped, both situations would end up with her having to wait on teammates to come and save her.

Seeing you comments make me wonder...have you ever used her?

[Immortal Strife]

Nerfs usually take place when a kit is overplayed and used by the masses. The sheer number of characters should prevent the AllBot from being overused; thus no nerf is needed.

[Rebel_Raven]

RedJohn wrote...

Sorry for this but I think all the typical "if you think it's OP then don't use it" coments are very stupid.

This is not something I am doing for me, I do it for the player base and for the game balance, i'm not calling it Overpowered for what I can do with it, let's be sincere, I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.


I'm not complaining about the damage output, for me is fine, what is not fine is Repair Matrix, as I said before, it breaks risk-reward relation.

It's like have a legal trainer with infinite health, a legal cheat.

Most cheats are not allowed in this game because they compromise all difficulties, same happens with this character, you can go and run to any spawn without worry about even medigel because you can have 40 instant revives without visit an ammo box plus 6 medigel, but is not only that, it doesn't have cooldown, it provides speed, damage reduction, it gives you back the shieldgate, it's just erase all the risk only leaving a maximum reward.


So please, if you will only come and say "if you think it's OP then just don't play it" please, at least give a reasonable argument of why it should stay like that instead of spread the stupidity in that way.

How about this?
I'm not the greatest player. I don't make any class look broken. I can still contribute pretty nicely to a gold match, but damned if I can carry in a later wave. Especially since I don't use a lot of the current "op" classes due to my preferrence in playing something at least resembling my gender.

The AIU will allow me to contentedly attempt to drag deadweight allies that continually die, bleed out, get stomped, and never medigel and my bonus gear, and equipment doesn't get wasted.

You can preach the "l2p" and all that crap, but if I could solo gold consistently with my favored classes, what challenge would there be anymore? Platinum would be it, and if I l2p, then what challenge is there after that?

Furthermore, if I see people playing the AIU, there's a chance I won't be the last person standing in wave 8, praying my resources hold out coz more than anything, I want to extract! To blazes with the scoreboard, my missile supply, my medigels, my ops packs, I want to exctract, but I can't solo all that frikking well with an FQE.

AIU may not make me invulnerable, but it'll help my average butt out a lot more than it would you.

Honestly, people forget that there are players that  aren't quite up to snuff in soloing every difficulty, and kicking the crap out of everything. They might need some help.

[K_O_513]

Ryumanjisen wrote...

Kedax wrote...

In that scenario, yeah she will revive herself but just die again instantly. If she's able to get through the stunlock and hit another Repair Matrix, it'll just be the same thing over and over. Whether she revived herself or got curbstomped, both situations would end up with her having to wait on teammates to come and save her.

Seeing you comments make me wonder...have you ever used her?

Yes. Used her quite a bit yesterday. Performed the same with her as almost any character I use regularly.

Have you ever gotten killed in a group of enemies? You'll either revive into a sync kill or a staggerfest that leads to you getting killed once again.

[DangerManX]

The problem with analyzing her based off the opinions of BSNers is that we're mostly more capable than the average PUG. Honestly, she's a very strong and very easy character to play, and I get that this annoys some of you. But I really think that there is a bottom line that is being missed. This game is almost a year old now. Despite that, the Devs have stated that the large majority of games are still being played in silver (I'm too lazy to look up the link, it was about a month ago).

My take on this is that the silent majority, and make no mistake that the majority of players aren't using these forums, are looking to have an easier (and to them more enjoyable) game experience. Many of you will say "good for them, let them play silver then"... but I really think that's a short sighted view.

I need other people to fill up the gold games I pug (soloing gets old). And it's getting harder, and taking longer every week, a little at a time. If I want a silver game, I can get one right away, but no matter what class I use that's just too easy for me (easier with ANY class than using the so called "crutch" characters on gold). Maybe this isn't an issue on every platform, but on PS3 it is, and it will be on yours eventually too. So how do we get these players who are looking for a less stressful experience to play gold? We give them characters that are more tuned to what they are looking for. They had the TGI, now they have EDIBot too. And hey, some days after work I just want to kill a few collectors without getting into full focus mode too.

I'd swear reading a lot BSN posts that every nub using a TGI or EDI is topping the charts, and that every gold pug is way too smooth now - but that just hasn't been my experience (albeit only after one day with EDI).

TL:DR - We need kits for new / less hardcore players too, or this game will die faster than is inevitable. Play Plat and don't use her for gold are still good options for the other side.

[UKillMeLongTime]

There is always going to be a kit that's the best one or easiest one

just leave it the hell alone and play something else or host your games and boot edi bots

[Oseye]

If they're not failing on my team, glitching/cheating, and they're having fun, I have no issue.

[lwb1977]

DangerManX wrote...

The problem with analyzing her based off the opinions of BSNers is that we're mostly more capable than the average PUG. Honestly, she's a very strong and very easy character to play, and I get that this annoys some of you. But I really think that there is a bottom line that is being missed. This game is almost a year old now. Despite that, the Devs have stated that the large majority of games are still being played in silver (I'm too lazy to look up the link, it was about a month ago).

My take on this is that the silent majority, and make no mistake that the majority of players aren't using these forums, are looking to have an easier (and to them more enjoyable) game experience. Many of you will say "good for them, let them play silver then"... but I really think that's a short sighted view.

I need other people to fill up the gold games I pug (soloing gets old). And it's getting harder, and taking longer every week, a little at a time. If I want a silver game, I can get one right away, but no matter what class I use that's just too easy for me (easier with ANY class than using the so called "crutch" characters on gold). Maybe this isn't an issue on every platform, but on PS3 it is, and it will be on yours eventually too. So how do we get these players who are looking for a less stressful experience to play gold? We give them characters that are more tuned to what they are looking for. They had the TGI, now they have EDIBot too. And hey, some days after work I just want to kill a few collectors without getting into full focus mode too.

I'd swear reading a lot BSN posts that every nub using a TGI or EDI is topping the charts, and that every gold pug is way too smooth now - but that just hasn't been my experience (albeit only after one day with EDI).

TL:DR - We need kits for new / less hardcore players too, or this game will die faster than is inevitable. Play Plat and don't use her for gold are still good options for the other side.

^^ This.  I think some people need to step back and think about the sheer number of upgrade packs that is between a relatively new player and a well stacked manifest.  If overpowered kits allows newer players to be decent/good gold players, where is the harm in that?  Is it the end of the world if you get bested on the leaderboard by one of these characters?  The money is the same regardless.  

[MaxCrushmore]

DangerManX wrote...

The problem with analyzing her based off the opinions of BSNers is that we're mostly more capable than the average PUG. Honestly, she's a very strong and very easy character to play, and I get that this annoys some of you. But I really think that there is a bottom line that is being missed. This game is almost a year old now. Despite that, the Devs have stated that the large majority of games are still being played in silver (I'm too lazy to look up the link, it was about a month ago).

My take on this is that the silent majority, and make no mistake that the majority of players aren't using these forums, are looking to have an easier (and to them more enjoyable) game experience. Many of you will say "good for them, let them play silver then"... but I really think that's a short sighted view.

I need other people to fill up the gold games I pug (soloing gets old). And it's getting harder, and taking longer every week, a little at a time. If I want a silver game, I can get one right away, but no matter what class I use that's just too easy for me (easier with ANY class than using the so called "crutch" characters on gold). Maybe this isn't an issue on every platform, but on PS3 it is, and it will be on yours eventually too. So how do we get these players who are looking for a less stressful experience to play gold? We give them characters that are more tuned to what they are looking for. They had the TGI, now they have EDIBot too. And hey, some days after work I just want to kill a few collectors without getting into full focus mode too.

I'd swear reading a lot BSN posts that every nub using a TGI or EDI is topping the charts, and that every gold pug is way too smooth now - but that just hasn't been my experience (albeit only after one day with EDI).

TL:DR - We need kits for new / less hardcore players too, or this game will die faster than is inevitable. Play Plat and don't use her for gold are still good options for the other side.

L2P Noob

This is the internet, quit bringing your infernal "logic" to the discussion, and next time, be more opinionated and cranky ... then you'll fit right in ...

[koschwarz74]

OK. I played this class 2 times. Do whatever need to be done with her. I don't care. SHE IS BORING AS HELL. The geth jugger, the warlord, the cabal are way more interesting characters.

[MetalDeggial]

Meh. I dislike nerfs and wouldn't want this kit to get nerfed either. We got a bunch of subpar characters and a couple of really good ones (Cabal and Fembot), and I wouldn't like that to go to waste because the other ones sucked. Plus, all of the fembots I've seen go down so many times without self-reviving I started to wonder if they really knew what they had in their hands.

This character isn't gonna give the Drell Ass., TGI or the GI a run for their money anytime soon. Even with the shotgun bonus, 80% damage, rail amp III and Incendiary IV, after Snap Freezing, I wasn't dealing nearly as much damage with a Raider as I could've with a GI or a Drell. Repair Matrix is what makes her so awesome, and I don't want that to be taken away.

But hey, people have asked for the nerf hammer and Biower will deliver... by making other kits crap and leaving the sexbot good as ever. Remember what happened with the Geth Engineer? With the Havoc? You people should never, ever ask for nerfs like this, because Biower is gonna f*** up really bad with their usually crummy live updates.

Modifié par MetalDeggial, 27 février 2013 - 06:40 .

[jfruelas521]

I've never once called for a nerf of any of the characters in this game and I'm not advocating a nerf for her but anyone who says this character isn't OP is out of their minds. Sexbot is CRAZY OP. You can make the argument that she is the strongest character in the game, even better than TGI or GI.

[Rebel_Raven]

koschwarz74 wrote...

OK. I played this class 2 times. Do whatever need to be done with her. I don't care. SHE IS BORING AS HELL. The geth jugger, the warlord, the cabal are way more interesting characters.

If she bores you, that's on you. Don't play as her.

[udinbak4]

Nerf the class, but only to players with 300h or more.

Otherwise, new players will never be able to progress to gold or higher difficulty.
Every seasoned player has experienced at least one character that was OP upon release, had lots of fun, even cashed in a lot of credits before getting tired of using it.
What are the new players left with? Box of shame.

Personally, I love this kit, and would rather see a bunch of Edis running from one ammo box to another than Ghosts.

Do you think Fembot is OP? Spec out of Repair Matrix. Alternatively use the M-3 Predator.
Or just find a group of like minded friends and agree not to play with this kit.

[Commander Castillo]

I can sum up what he's trying to say.
"I'm an elitist ****** that doesn't want anyone else to be as good as I am"

[Sulaco_7]

Repair matrix is too good, but it can't be significantly changed via balance updates. All they can do is alter the duration or maybe the damage resistance but the free medigel is fixed and not changeable.

So, basically, nothing can be done so this discussion is moot anyways.