Reyno411 wrote...
Immortal Strife wrote...
Nerfs usually take place when a kit is overplayed and used by the masses. The sheer number of characters should prevent the AllBot from being overused; thus no nerf is needed.
Nope, since I started playing this morning... AIU in every match. Every. Single. One.
El Franko wrote...
RedJohn wrote...I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.
Go ahead then. Solo Platinum with the Talon Mercenary and make it seem broken. I am pretty sure a humble video of that would be more meaningful than a humble opinion about how the easy characters have broken powers.
you know for the good of the whole community and such...
bassetlab wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
Sorry for this but I think all the typical "if you think it's OP then don't use it" coments are very stupid.
This is not something I am doing for me, I do it for the player base and for the game balance, i'm not calling it Overpowered for what I can do with it, let's be sincere, I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.
I'm not complaining about the damage output, for me is fine, what is not fine is Repair Matrix, as I said before, it breaks risk-reward relation.
It's like have a legal trainer with infinite health, a legal cheat.
Most cheats are not allowed in this game because they compromise all difficulties, same happens with this character, you can go and run to any spawn without worry about even medigel because you can have 40 instant revives without visit an ammo box plus 6 medigel, but is not only that, it doesn't have cooldown, it provides speed, damage reduction, it gives you back the shieldgate, it's just erase all the risk only leaving a maximum reward.
So please, if you will only come and say "if you think it's OP then just don't play it" please, at least give a reasonable argument of why it should stay like that instead of spread the stupidity in that way.
Okay dude, we get it. We are all a bunch of nerds writing disertations on a game that is a year old with waining support.
I am very proud of you for making all kits look broken (that a boy!) I am sure a great many people are. But let's be honest, you are upset because you think the repair matrix is broken and it needs addressed. Why do you really really care? think it's a great kit to play. Average players will still stuggle with it. REGARDLESS. So what if every so often they can feel awesome when playing. Is that not why we play games? Relax, have fun and enjoy it? I think your off base on this - for arguments sake why could an AI not self repair? Laslty do you really think this is a deal breaker? Really? It's a co-op game. What is to truly be gained by nerfing it? I hope they don't touch it. I hope they leave it alone and let it stay. Nerfers ruin it for eveyone.
Also this post won't change anything. We will have people like me saying leave it, people like you saying change it and 8000 threads on it. At the end of the day I am really disappointed in the number of people that whine and complain on these forums.
RedJohn wrote...
El Franko wrote...
RedJohn wrote...I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.
Go ahead then. Solo Platinum with the Talon Mercenary and make it seem broken. I am pretty sure a humble video of that would be more meaningful than a humble opinion about how the easy characters have broken powers.
you know for the good of the whole community and such...
I've been soloing gold since demo and I solo'd platinum on day 1 when Earth dlc was released with a Batarian soldier, so please, don't try to look like a bad boy asking me to solo with a character that deals over 3k damage with a mines that can be refilled like granades and with 0 cooldown.bassetlab wrote...
RedJohn wrote...
Sorry for this but I think all the typical "if you think it's OP then don't use it" coments are very stupid.
This is not something I am doing for me, I do it for the player base and for the game balance, i'm not calling it Overpowered for what I can do with it, let's be sincere, I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.
I'm not complaining about the damage output, for me is fine, what is not fine is Repair Matrix, as I said before, it breaks risk-reward relation.
It's like have a legal trainer with infinite health, a legal cheat.
Most cheats are not allowed in this game because they compromise all difficulties, same happens with this character, you can go and run to any spawn without worry about even medigel because you can have 40 instant revives without visit an ammo box plus 6 medigel, but is not only that, it doesn't have cooldown, it provides speed, damage reduction, it gives you back the shieldgate, it's just erase all the risk only leaving a maximum reward.
So please, if you will only come and say "if you think it's OP then just don't play it" please, at least give a reasonable argument of why it should stay like that instead of spread the stupidity in that way.
Okay dude, we get it. We are all a bunch of nerds writing disertations on a game that is a year old with waining support.
I am very proud of you for making all kits look broken (that a boy!) I am sure a great many people are. But let's be honest, you are upset because you think the repair matrix is broken and it needs addressed. Why do you really really care? think it's a great kit to play. Average players will still stuggle with it. REGARDLESS. So what if every so often they can feel awesome when playing. Is that not why we play games? Relax, have fun and enjoy it? I think your off base on this - for arguments sake why could an AI not self repair? Laslty do you really think this is a deal breaker? Really? It's a co-op game. What is to truly be gained by nerfing it? I hope they don't touch it. I hope they leave it alone and let it stay. Nerfers ruin it for eveyone.
Also this post won't change anything. We will have people like me saying leave it, people like you saying change it and 8000 threads on it. At the end of the day I am really disappointed in the number of people that whine and complain on these forums.
First of all who said I'm upset?
Also, with your coment I noticed you have totally missed my point here, i'm talking about balance, i'm not talking about average players using it or not, I am talking that the ability eliminates the risk-reward relation, i'm not whining, i'm not angry, i'm just giving my opinion just as you even if we don't share it.
As i've said before in this thread, i don't mind average players using it, i don't care i have fun in my own way but when I say balance i'm not talking about how it can be exploited for average players, i'm talking about how pointless it makes one of the abilities tree on the character in this case firness.
I'm not even talking about the damage output for tactical cloak, for me that's fine.
It's also funny how you say what you said, like if i were an inmature 12 years old kid who is whining when in fact I'm doing a constructive critique about something, the problem is when someone say something the masses are not agree then they will start calling that one hater, whiner and even elitist! people who know me from this forum know the kind of player and user i am, so reading some of these coments is really funny.
Maybe now lot of people don't see it, but PUGs are not using the EDI bot very good yet because the masses haven't figured it out, that's why they keep dropping in games like flies, but again, i'm not against any kind of player base, i'm just telling that if any kind of challenge disspears then the game will turn very boring for many of those and they will leave the game, resulting in the death of Multiplayer.
Of course, that will happen some day we are all sure of that, but at least, if that happens it's better for time and not because it stopped being challenging on higher difficulties and because everyone can do what they wish because the game has an iWin buttom, I hope you now understand what my point is.
waltervolpatto wrote...
Yes but it is the new toy in town, a lot of players want to try something new.... how many still play the original AA? It was OP at one point... I rarely see one around now...
kr3g wrote...
Here is so much more things must be buffed.
And you first want to nerf almost the only good thing in this DLC?
kr3g wrote...
Here is so much more things must be buffed.
And you first want to nerf almost the only good thing in this DLC?
Reyno411 wrote...
waltervolpatto wrote...
Yes but it is the new toy in town, a lot of players want to try something new.... how many still play the original AA? It was OP at one point... I rarely see one around now...
We are not going to say that the original AA was or is anything near like what this kit is. I'm not going to entertain that discussion at all.
Shyde01 wrote...
I don't entirely disagree, RedJohn. It's just that the practical effect of her use of Repair Matrix insta-gel in-game doesn't really affect me as a fellow player. It may make some of the objectives a bit easier, and reduce the team challenge (since she's hard to kill absent sync kills or objective time expiration). But her DPS isn't obnoxious. Which brings me to my next point.
Compare her to the TGI or the GI: it's actually annoying to play beside these kits, because they kill everything so quickly there's nothing left for the rest of the team. EdiBot doesn't break game balance as much as those kits do.
So nerf EdiBot - but only after BW nerfs TGI and GI.
If back in march i told you that one year from now there will be kits that have (effectively) unlimited medigels/ops packs i'd have probably been called an idiot for suggesting such a ridiculus idea. FYI for the first week or so consumable cap was 10, but for "some" reason the developers felt that it was too powerful so the cap was decreased. So do tell what changed that a stupidly powerful kit on its own requires an additional 10+ extra medigels other than the player base having access to much better weapons/characters/equipment? The developers are not stupid, they know it's not balanced at all, and i understand how that's not necessarily their first priority either.bassetlab wrote...
taplonaplo wrote...
So bypassing the rocket cap using an exploit is bad, but doing so with medigels/ops packs is fine, coz the developers put it in. If bioware put in a class that had an aoe power strong enough to kill entire spawns would you want to nerf that, or is it also fine since the developers cannot possibly misjudge game balance?
Why yes! Let's take it to the COMPLETE extreme! Really dude? They made the game. It's their sandbox we play in lest you forget that. I think it's working as designed, if not they will make changes to it. The issue at hand is the constant freadking doctorial level whining that goes on here. Can you solo plat with it? If so pat yourself on the back. Most people can't. Based on PUGS I play with they are lucky to get through gold. This is what is so frustrating. Like I said - your view won't change cause you see this as a right you have. Once this is nerfed the Geth JUG will be the next cry. I mean seriously have you seen what you can do with that thing? Just stop the stupid man.
Obviously you are upset otherwise you would not rush to the forum and cry for a nerf on the first day after the DLC.RedJohn wrote...
First of all who said I'm upset?
Leave the balance to Bioware...RedJohn wrote...
Also, with your coment I noticed you have totally missed my point here, i'm talking about balance, i'm not talking about average players using it or not, I am talking that the ability eliminates the risk-reward relation, i'm not whining, i'm not angry, i'm just giving my opinion just as you even if we don't share it.
As i've said before in this thread, i don't mind average players using it, i don't care i have fun in my own way but when I say balance i'm not talking about how it can be exploited for average players, i'm talking about how pointless it makes one of the abilities tree on the character in this case firness.
I'm not even talking about the damage output for tactical cloak, for me that's fine.
It's also funny how you say what you said, like if i were an inmature 12 years old kid who is whining when in fact I'm doing a constructive critique about something, the problem is when someone say something the masses are not agree then they will start calling that one hater, whiner and even elitist! people who know me from this forum know the kind of player and user i am, so reading some of these coments is really funny.
Maybe now lot of people don't see it, but PUGs are not using the EDI bot very good yet because the masses haven't figured it out, that's why they keep dropping in games like flies, but again, i'm not against any kind of player base, i'm just telling that if any kind of challenge disspears then the game will turn very boring for many of those and they will leave the game, resulting in the death of Multiplayer.
Of course, that will happen some day we are all sure of that, but at least, if that happens it's better for time and not because it stopped being challenging on higher difficulties and because everyone can do what they wish because the game has an iWin buttom, I hope you now understand what my point is.
Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 27 février 2013 - 08:53 .
100RenegadePoints wrote...
Obviously you are upset otherwise you would not rush to the forum and cry for a nerf on the first day after the DLC.
lightswitch wrote...
100RenegadePoints wrote...
Obviously you are upset otherwise you would not rush to the forum and cry for a nerf on the first day after the DLC.
I don't think you read the OP because RedJohn didn't sound upset at all.
Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 27 février 2013 - 09:04 .
RedJohn wrote...
kr3g wrote...
Here is so much more things must be buffed.
And you first want to nerf almost the only good thing in this DLC?
The only good thing?
What about the new Krogan?, the hammer is awesome
What about the Juggernout?, It is slow but that unit is awesome
What about the Cabal?, She's the DOT Queen and can attack and leave an entire spawn to their doom.
What about Talon?, played in a good way this guy is incredibly powerful.
What about the Prothean? he can be as lethal with Biotics as he can be at the same time with PPR or collector weapons and warp ammo.
EDIbot is not the "almost only" good thing here, we have lot of cool stuff.
P51Mus7ang wrote...
I think it's fine, I couldn't care less if it allows a newer player or a player that may not have the skills with other kits to play higher levels, it doesn't effect my game at all, glad BioWare gave us these kits, it would seem some may feel threatened a noob will challenge them.
koschwarz74 wrote...
Stop whining. Play. Overpowered? So what?
OP you are not different, you are the same "cry for nerf" guy. TGI is OP too, GI has been always OP. I'm sick and tired of BSN...you are worst than a battlefield forum. At least that is a competitive multiplayer game, there is a reason to be ****, but here...jeez...
Modifié par Pablo Cavalieri, 27 février 2013 - 10:17 .
Modifié par lightswitch, 27 février 2013 - 10:17 .
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