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[ZiRK]

Brownfinger wrote...

MADDPADD wrote...

Amazing.

This. Its a wack-a-mole shooter, where the enemies slowly plod toward you waiting to die so you can get money to "advance" . Not some PVP e-sport mlg legit fps, strong characters for weak players, weak characters for strong players.

[lightswitch]

Darth_Atreyu wrote...

Everytime a dlc is released people come out of the woodworks crying for nerfs

Actually what I've noticed is the people who come out of the woodwork are the ragers incensed that their latest noob cannon might become slightly less powerful. Most of the people who talk about nerfs are fairly regular posters, but I've never even seen most of these anti-nerf posters before. I mean seriously, where do they all come from?

Modifié par lightswitch, 27 février 2013 - 10:21 .

[ZiRK]

lightswitch wrote...

Darth_Atreyu wrote...

Everytime a dlc is released people come out of the woodworks crying for nerfs

Actually what I've noticed is the people who come out of the woodwork are the ragers incensed that their latest noob cannon might become slightly less powerful. Most of the people who talk about nerfs are fairly regular posters, but I've never even seen most of these anti-nerf posters before. I mean seriously, where do they all come from?

Theyre probabaly oh, I dont know - just regular players who want to have fun? 

[Catastrophy]

RedJohns humble opinon could use a melee build reflection.

[UnknownMercenary]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

Darth_Atreyu wrote...

Everytime a dlc is released people come out of the woodworks crying for nerfs

Actually what I've noticed is the people who come out of the woodwork are the ragers incensed that their latest noob cannon might become slightly less powerful. Most of the people who talk about nerfs are fairly regular posters, but I've never even seen most of these anti-nerf posters before. I mean seriously, where do they all come from?

Theyre probabaly oh, I dont know - just regular players who want to have fun? 

Hey if your idea of fun is to remove all challenge from it, more power to you

[krknight]

UnknownMercenary wrote...

kr3g wrote...

Here is so much more things must be buffed.

And you first want to nerf almost the only good thing in this DLC?

only good thing in this dlc


lol

the "only" good thing?  it takes a character to be god-tier to be the only good thing?  she's a joke that isn't funny.  without the repair matrix, she's still a top 5 character easy.  

[casamar]

Just finished a match with the AIU, armed with the Reegar, and was outscored by a Drelldept. It was only Silver but still...

I can see how people think she is OP/broken, but in unskilled hands, she's just another overused kit

[krknight]

casamar wrote...

Just finished a match with the AIU, armed with the Reegar, and was outscored by a Drelldept. It was only Silver but still...

I can see how people think she is OP/broken, but in unskilled hands, she's just another overused kit

yeah?  i took her into a gold and haven't been outscored yet.  i even did the four thingamagig objective on wave 10 by myself while everyone else was killing things.  i play silver except on weekend challenges.

[xyzmkrysvr]

RedJohn wrote...
I took my time to read every single coment here, i read some people calling me elitist, which is funny because I am not elitist.

RedJohn wrote...I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.

The "BSN celebrity" doth protest too much, methinks!

The sad thing is one day Bioware will shut off the servers and this forum will turn into a ghost town and all of the BSN "celebrities" will look back on all of the posts they made and ask themselves "was it worth it? What was the point?!"

Bioware has almost assuredly moved on to bigger and better things and I doubt they are going to be like "Hey guys! RedJohn voiced his humble opinion on the BSN! We should quit working on Mass Effect 3 and Dragon Age III and dedicate more time and resources to ensuring the ME3 multiplayer is satisfactory for him a year after its release!"

Just play the game. It has a limited shelf life now so enjoy it while you can.

Modifié par xyzmkrysvr, 27 février 2013 - 11:00 .

[Lovaas]

Repair Matrix can't be effectively nerfed without completely neutering it. At the end of the day this is an infiltrator with shotgun damage in its cloak and a self-steroid. The most you could ever hope to scale her back is by making the Matrix a cooldown power instead of a grenade.

[enigmagtx]

repair matrix doesn't stop sync kills so it's not so perfect.

[Brownfinger]

lightswitch wrote...

Darth_Atreyu wrote...

Everytime a dlc is released people come out of the woodworks crying for nerfs

Actually what I've noticed is the people who come out of the woodwork are the ragers incensed that their latest noob cannon might become slightly less powerful. Most of the people who talk about nerfs are fairly regular posters, but I've never even seen most of these anti-nerf posters before. I mean seriously, where do they all come from?

The reaction you're seeing is because this is a subject that incites passion. I grew tired of unreasonable children trying to get Tacical Cloak removed from the multiplayer game entirely, most logical arguments are buried in the toxic fumes of this place. It's why you will rarely see Bioware employees post here any more, because passion makes people irredeemably stupid. Most reasonable adults have seen what sort of people post here, and we've gone elsewhere to talk about the fun things we like.

And to be fair, there's plenty of rage on both sides. (Though more on one side then the other. Go on, guess which.) The people railing against other people playing a class with a unique mechanic in a non-competitive environment, and those of us who play the game for fun and not to compensate for some self-inflicted shortcoming in life. Plenty of rage, it's all fairly unproductive.
Red John presented his case well, contradicted himself a bit with the elitist thing, but I think it's a fair point. When the kit gets nerfed, it won't stop me from completely destroying the elitists on the score board with it. And their knuckles will turn white with anger as controllers/mouses are gripped furiously, and I really won't give a **** about the score or their anger. Because the point is that I was able to help everyone get out safely with the credits they wanted.

Fun times for all.

Modifié par Brownfinger, 27 février 2013 - 11:33 .

[ZGaiden]

So much wrong in this thread...(shaking head)
Did the rest of the bulls walk cause Jordan was OP?
Does everyone in baseball cry when the Yankees buy the pennant every other year?
Did goalies just move every time Gretsky fired a shot at the goal? 
No, they sucked it up and kept playing.
Expert players should understand that they are the minority. If this class gets "balanced", it will just be another case of people losing out on fun because others are incapable of having any if they are not challenged almost to frustration.

Edit: sorry RedJohn, replaced elitist as it was a typo;)

Modifié par ZGaiden, 28 février 2013 - 12:32 .

[january42]

lightswitch wrote...

Darth_Atreyu wrote...

Everytime a dlc is released people come out of the woodworks crying for nerfs

Actually what I've noticed is the people who come out of the woodwork are the ragers incensed that their latest noob cannon might become slightly less powerful. Most of the people who talk about nerfs are fairly regular posters, but I've never even seen most of these anti-nerf posters before. I mean seriously, where do they all come from?

Dunno about the others, but I've been around for a while. Right now, the class is interesting and unique, without actually being all that OP, as the matrix just makes it more survivable, not better.  IT's a class that encourages a really stupid, reckless playstyle without being worthless or a burden on the team. Between a well played GI, TGI or EDII  the first two will always be better because good players never to use the repair matrix anyway.

I can see the argument, but the EDII doesn' t  change games the way the old krysae infiltrators did jby ust destroying things from across the map.  It is kinda OP, but it's op in way that doesn't hurt other peoples fun as much. All it really does is save you money(i.e. gel) and that advantage lessens as skill goes up.

If players use it as  noobclass.....they will quickly learn when they try a different class on gold(imagine the face: ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?)

The EDII bothers me much less than alot of the other OP stuff that has been out there. Sometimes I bet it's fun to just run around like your back on silver without putting your team out if it doesn't work.

If they nerf it, the EDI basicly becomes GHOST+SHOTGUN and range issues.

I'm hoping this runs it's course. Remember when everyone thought the Kroguard was OP?

Modifié par january42, 27 février 2013 - 11:59 .

[El Franko]

RedJohn wrote...

El Franko wrote...

RedJohn wrote...I don't want to sound elitist but the thing is I can make any kit in the game look totally broken if I want.

Go ahead then. Solo Platinum with the Talon Mercenary and make it seem broken. I am pretty sure a humble video of that would be more meaningful than a humble opinion about how the easy characters have broken powers.

you know for the good of the whole community and such...

I've been soloing gold since demo and I solo'd platinum on day 1 when Earth dlc was released with a Batarian soldier, so please, don't try to look like a bad boy asking me to solo with a character that deals over 3k damage with a mines that can be refilled like granades and with 0 cooldown.

Wait how exactly am I the one trying to be the bad boy here Mr. Humble-Opinion-I-Can-Make-Any-Kit-Seem-Broken-Been-Soloing-Since-The-Utero Red John?

and yes I am well aware about the 3k-No-Recharge trip mine/nade so does that mean you can make it seem broken too?

I mean you are the one who can't stand one power being broken of the new DLC, so if that character suffers from a similar lack of balance I think for the good of the community you should show us, Right?

but yeah anyways back to the topic of how elite players are enraged with easy characters...it's not for them... It's for the whole community!

I like feeling young again with e-peen over dramatic back and forths! This I why I love gaming.

[UnknownMercenary]

Brownfinger wrote...

you seem to be taking this very seriously. Unable to talk about a videogame without resorting to ad hominem attacks?

[Yosuke]

ZGaiden wrote...

So much wrong in this thread...(shaking head)
Did the rest of the bulls walk cause Jordan was OP?
Does everyone in baseball cry when the Yankees buy the pennant every other year?
Did goalies just move every time Gretsky fired a shot at the goal? 
No, they sucked it up and kept playing.
Elitests should understand that they are the minority. If this class gets "balanced", it will just be another case of people losing out on fun because others are incapable of having any if they are not the best.

Not a very good metaphor... Jordan had skill. In fact, Michael Jordan's mentality (work hard and improve yourself) is closer to the opposite of what the AIU embodies, which is more like a free ride.

Modifié par Yosuke, 28 février 2013 - 12:08 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Lol. I have fun with it. Sue me.

[Werdnuh]

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...

Lol. I have fun with it. Sue me.

Same here. I have had more fun with the AIU than any other class I have played since getting the Asari Vanguard. It's just so much fun.

[krknight]

ZGaiden wrote...

So much wrong in this thread...(shaking head)
Did the rest of the bulls walk cause Jordan was OP?
Does everyone in baseball cry when the Yankees buy the pennant every other year?
Did goalies just move every time Gretsky fired a shot at the goal? 
No, they sucked it up and kept playing.
Elitests should understand that they are the minority. If this class gets "balanced", it will just be another case of people losing out on fun because others are incapable of having any if they are not the best.

so much wrong with this post.

jordan and gretsky both earned their ways to the top through hard work, dedication, practice, preparation, sacrifice...  

also, the yankees are probably the most hated sports franchise in the world.

[krknight]

Yosuke wrote...

Not a very good metaphor... Jordan had skill. In fact, Michael Jordan's mentality is closer to the opposite of what the AIU embodies, i.e. work hard and improve yourself.

ah, you beat me to it.

[ZGaiden]

Yosuke wrote...

ZGaiden wrote...

So much wrong in this thread...(shaking head)
Did the rest of the bulls walk cause Jordan was OP?
Does everyone in baseball cry when the Yankees buy the pennant every other year?
Did goalies just move every time Gretsky fired a shot at the goal? 
No, they sucked it up and kept playing.
Elitests should understand that they are the minority. If this class gets "balanced", it will just be another case of people losing out on fun because others are incapable of having any if they are not the best.

Not a very good metaphor... Jordan had skill.

Yeah, and RedJohn has skill. I respect his opinion and I should have replaced elitist with expert, but we should all be concerned with having fun. This kit is loads of fun, but not invincible. I'm not a noob by any means neither am I an expert, so if anything my opinion should mean a fair amount. This class is fine, leave it as is or "balance" the rest of them.

Modifié par ZGaiden, 28 février 2013 - 12:10 .

[alhamel94]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Maverick DW wrote...

uh...correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the "self revive" only occur once? why do i get an impression from other members that they get more than one self-revive?

Nope... it will revive you over and over again if you cast it everytime you're downed.

It also lets her regen shields while cloaked... no other infiltrator can do that.

Like I said... totally broken, beyond words. She's still fun though... great for carrying bad teams.

salarian infiltrator can restore shields while cloaked

[ZGaiden]

krknight wrote...

ZGaiden wrote...

So much wrong in this thread...(shaking head)
Did the rest of the bulls walk cause Jordan was OP?
Does everyone in baseball cry when the Yankees buy the pennant every other year?
Did goalies just move every time Gretsky fired a shot at the goal? 
No, they sucked it up and kept playing.
Elitests should understand that they are the minority. If this class gets "balanced", it will just be another case of people losing out on fun because others are incapable of having any if they are not the best.

so much wrong with this post.
jordan and gretsky both earned their ways to the top through hard work, dedication, practice, preparation, sacrifice...  

Exactly, this class allows less skilled players a buffer while they learn the harder difficulties, creating less situations where they must be carried. I don't know about the majority, but gold and platinum can be intimidating without skilled teammates. This class allows me to practice and put in the hard work so I can earn a spot in the higher difficulties

Modifié par ZGaiden, 28 février 2013 - 12:22 .

[krknight]

alhamel94 wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Maverick DW wrote...

uh...correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought the "self revive" only occur once? why do i get an impression from other members that they get more than one self-revive?

Nope... it will revive you over and over again if you cast it everytime you're downed.

It also lets her regen shields while cloaked... no other infiltrator can do that.

Like I said... totally broken, beyond words. She's still fun though... great for carrying bad teams.

salarian infiltrator can restore shields while cloaked

it breaks cloak.