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[N7 ElusiveOne]

Just remember that these threads popped up when the TGI released and the nerf to him changed nothing. Unless you are terrible, she should remain fun for everyone. You'd think the focus would be on making the Talon Merc not suck, but I guess not.

[grilledsquid]

This kit is incredibly fun to play. Is it overpowered? Probably, but why are some of you bothered by that? It's a co-op game and it increases the likelihood of an extraction which leads to credits. Please do something better with your time than writing dissertations on nerfing characters on a co-op multiplayer game.

[GhostFaceDon1]

While I can appreciate the OPs detailed and thought out summary, I ask that Bioware leave the kit alone. I'm sure they will monitor usage and respond accordingly due to this topic being brought up, I hope that nothing comes of it. If someone wants to use the kit as initially presented, please allow them to continue doing so.

[GreatBlueHeron]

This is why we can't have nice things. If teh leet at BSN says it's OP, then the leet should play different kits. Not all can play this game endless hours every day...so having easier to use classes are necessary.

[GreatBlueHeron]

ElusiveOneN7 wrote...

Just remember that these threads popped up when the TGI released and the nerf to him changed nothing. Unless you are terrible, she should remain fun for everyone. You'd think the focus would be on making the Talon Merc not suck, but I guess not.

Incorrect.  The havok took a hit.  

I'd rather people focus on the talon...it needs tweaking badly.

[RedJohn]

Rebel_Raven wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Talisman devil wrote...

I think you all need shut the hell up, if you don't like the kit, don' t use it!!!
Give other players the chance to enjoy it you $&****' elitest!!!!
This is only meant for the OP!!!

L2Read.

Who said I don't like it?
Who told you I am against other players use it?
Do you know what comprehensive reading is?

I think Repair Matrix should be changed for the good of the game and this community, i really love what you have done BioWare, you did an amazing job with this DLC and I, as a fan, am very happy to have this new DLC, new powers, weapons etc to give us more variety, and yes, you have done great.

Honestly, this does come off as a nerf topic, no matter how much you sugar coat it. you want RM changed/Nerfed "for the good of the game, and this community."
As if I'd trust anyone with that but bioware with that? I respect you, but you're still pushing for a nerf. I think many people are going to take a similar mentality unless they, too are nerf supporters.

That also does imply you don't like it as you want it changed, even saying as much as it's harmful to the community, and game. Weather it is, or not is up for debate, bluntly, IMO. I've placed my reasons back a bit.

It also implies you don't like other people using it as you seek it altered, and are not content with it, and wish to push your will upon others which is part of why people hate nerfs. People will likely think "Who is this guy to think he knows what's best for me?"

If you're looking to nerf something, expect backlash. It's inevitable. 
I think he got it right in thinking you wanted to nerf it. He was out of line in how he said it though.

If I might be so bold, your point of view is coming from an expert point of view from someone who can solo with ltos of classes, and thus is talented enough to get the most out of this class. Most of the community aren't going to be so gifted.
Don't look at it through best case scenario, perfect playing. On paper it might seem broken, but is it in practice when a person who's not a master soloist BotB candidate? It may, or may not be.

Okay, here we are.

Look what happen, let's put the example of a very inexperienced player, if one of those players start using the EDI bot, instead of being good for him/her will be actually the opposite, the character don't make them learn anything about being careful, don't make them learn about situational awareness, it will make them ignore pretty much everything because the character has taken out the risk with its massive perks.

I am not talking about leveling up difficulties no, i don't have any problem with that, but the thing is, characters like this makes players less skilled and make them ignore so much things about the game that is actually bad for the ones that learn how to play with it.

Imagine the case of someone who learn how to play with this character, let's say on Fire Base White, one of the most used maps, good for granades etc, even if the player doesn't have granades gear he doesn't have to worry about too much because White is purely a granade map and once he notice all the perks it gives the character it will stick to it very much, of course, it doesn't matter if he or her stick too much to the character, but what is not good is that the character itself won't make the player evolve in skills, when that player try then another character would be a dissaster.

With time then, can get very bored of the game because will see the EDIbot as an unique option to play decently, which is bad for the player base.



Again, I think the damage output is fine, I don't have nothing against Cloak or the shotgun damage, for me is fine.
I also don't care if people solo platinum with it, if someone outscore me ( lol those coments were actually so funny ), etc.

[RedJohn]

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[xyzmkrysvr]

RedJohn wrote...
shameless bump

If you were actually humble, you'd just let this thread die and instead contribute to one of the other 10+ EDI bot threads that have been created since.

Some people want her nerfed, others don't. Honestly, what more is there to say on the subject that hasn't already been said?? No point beating a dead horse. Just let it rest. 

[Chaoswind]

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

[Enhanced]

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

Modifié par Enhanced, 28 février 2013 - 06:56 .

[RedJohn]

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

[bauzabauza]

RedJohn wrote...

The new DLC is tremendously awesome, new characters with new powers, new weapons, new cool gear, new cool mods, it's a really good product on my opinion.

But as you know, with everything there is an exception.

In this case we have 2.

The edi infiltrator.

The Idea of a Shotgun infiltrator was always good thing for me, I thought ( and still think ) it was a wonderful idea that I liked to see in-game.

Thankfully that day has came.

The EDIbot as we call it is not a bad character, in fact it is too good, TOO good and is not because of tactical cloak's shotgun evolution, no, that's fine, the issue here Repair Matrix.

Repair Matrix gives you damage reduction, speedbonus, FREE revives ( specially this because it gives you back shield gate and make the fitness evolution pointless ) etc etc etc.

Now first of all, I am not the kind of player who complain about if something is OP, if something needs to be nerfed, buffed etc etc, no.

I am writting this because I want to make a very constructive critic, just to improve our experience in game, after all, we are a community united for this game, and I want the game to be properly balanced.

I think Repair Matrix should be changed for the good of the game and this community, i really love what you have done BioWare, you did an amazing job with this DLC and I, as a fan, am very happy to have this new DLC, new powers, weapons etc to give us more variety, and yes, you have done great.

But from my very very humble opinion I think Repair Matrix is breaking the balance we had in the game before Reckoning, and it breaks balance even on the character, because Repair Matrix makes us have 46 medigel just right there if spec'd correctly ( granade capacity and blablabla + 5 op packs = 40 + 6 medigel = 46 ) and that is just without ammo boxes.


The auto revive ability is not a bad idea, what it wasn't correct was maybe give it damage reduction, speedbonus, treat it as a granade ( no need of cooldown ) etc etc, and from my humble opinion, it should be changed, as I said above, it makes the fitness tree totally pointless since you don't have to worry about anything, you will be back to life with damage reduction and with huge speed.

the solution with this character is not taking actions against Cloak or weapons, is just tweaking a little bit Repair Matrix.

With this character cheaters don't have to use hacks to cheat because now we have a legal trainer in the game and I don't mean to fault you the respect BioWare, no, of course not, you don't deserve that, but I am just making a point.

Seriously, the risk-reward relation is erased with this character, could you please take a look at it BioWare?


Any thought BSN?

Viejo me parece que se esta exagerando mucho el tema de la matrix defensiva, claro eso de resucitacion

instantanea es inequitativo para los demas jugadores pero creo que el tipo de caracteristicas del personaje la

hacen necesaria ya que pocos son habiles con una escopeta a distancias medias, por tanto deben acercarse

mucho a los enemigos para hacerles daño usando escopetas y en niveles oro o platino que la gran mayoria de

jugadores casuales poco juegan oro y otros pocos menos juegan platino les vendria util esta caracteristica,

ahora lo atinado seria cambiar su base de a un poder con un cooldown muy largo 20seg o mas para evitar ser

inequitativo con los demas jugadores sobretodo jugando en esos niveles oro y platino.

[Enhanced]

RedJohn wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

TGI can survive just a well with use  of their Stim packs, heavy melee, and jets.

Modifié par Enhanced, 28 février 2013 - 07:08 .

[nicethugbert]

RedJohn wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

I hate TC because of the aggro dump, etc. But, I HATE the troll store even more. So, for the sake of the troll store, and all that new UR content, I say, for the good of the game, that Sexbot is not OP at all. Especially when you factor in all the cheating that the enemy does.

Where is the relation of the sexbot with the store? :S

If she is easier to play then more people will move up to higher difficulty levels thereby getting more credits thereby getting more unlocks.  It's like reducing the price of store packs, or moving unlocks down in rarity level, or increasing the chance of drops in packs.

I hate the store so much that just now as I'm thinking of all this, I'm not sure that I would have a problem playing decoy for 3 EDIbots on platinum, and I hate TC.  The faster I max my manifest, the faster I go back to a difficulty level where the enemies cheat slower.

[palker]

I got the alliance sexbot from the gift pack and tried her out immediately. Needless to say I was thoroughly satisfied.

[PhiZero]

If a nerf is require, I say that they remove the auto revive and rework the 6a evolution of repair matrix. The only thing that I didn't like about infiltrators was that shields stop regenerating when in cloak...which repair matrix just took away the drawback of cloak. Now that I'm thinking about it, might as well aim at the shield regeneration as it contradicts cloak's consequence.

[Darth_Atreyu]

PhiZero wrote...

If a nerf is require, I say that they remove the auto revive and rework the 6a evolution of repair matrix. The only thing that I didn't like about infiltrators was that shields stop regenerating when in cloak...which repair matrix just took away the drawback of cloak. Now that I'm thinking about it, might as well aim at the shield regeneration as it contradicts cloak's consequence.

No one complains that the Cabal deals 3K damage unbuffed and has almost the same ability as the AIU in Biotic Focus.
The TGI also has the ability to regain shields while cloaked so what are you talking about, I swear you are all masochist's.
"Biower plees nerf everything to dust because i'm a masochist and they are all to good for me biower pleese".

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

que bulto

purely false

[RedJohn]

bauza wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

The new DLC is tremendously awesome, new characters with new powers, new weapons, new cool gear, new cool mods, it's a really good product on my opinion.

But as you know, with everything there is an exception.

In this case we have 2.

The edi infiltrator.

The Idea of a Shotgun infiltrator was always good thing for me, I thought ( and still think ) it was a wonderful idea that I liked to see in-game.

Thankfully that day has came.

The EDIbot as we call it is not a bad character, in fact it is too good, TOO good and is not because of tactical cloak's shotgun evolution, no, that's fine, the issue here Repair Matrix.

Repair Matrix gives you damage reduction, speedbonus, FREE revives ( specially this because it gives you back shield gate and make the fitness evolution pointless ) etc etc etc.

Now first of all, I am not the kind of player who complain about if something is OP, if something needs to be nerfed, buffed etc etc, no.

I am writting this because I want to make a very constructive critic, just to improve our experience in game, after all, we are a community united for this game, and I want the game to be properly balanced.

I think Repair Matrix should be changed for the good of the game and this community, i really love what you have done BioWare, you did an amazing job with this DLC and I, as a fan, am very happy to have this new DLC, new powers, weapons etc to give us more variety, and yes, you have done great.

But from my very very humble opinion I think Repair Matrix is breaking the balance we had in the game before Reckoning, and it breaks balance even on the character, because Repair Matrix makes us have 46 medigel just right there if spec'd correctly ( granade capacity and blablabla + 5 op packs = 40 + 6 medigel = 46 ) and that is just without ammo boxes.


The auto revive ability is not a bad idea, what it wasn't correct was maybe give it damage reduction, speedbonus, treat it as a granade ( no need of cooldown ) etc etc, and from my humble opinion, it should be changed, as I said above, it makes the fitness tree totally pointless since you don't have to worry about anything, you will be back to life with damage reduction and with huge speed.

the solution with this character is not taking actions against Cloak or weapons, is just tweaking a little bit Repair Matrix.

With this character cheaters don't have to use hacks to cheat because now we have a legal trainer in the game and I don't mean to fault you the respect BioWare, no, of course not, you don't deserve that, but I am just making a point.

Seriously, the risk-reward relation is erased with this character, could you please take a look at it BioWare?


Any thought BSN?

Viejo me parece que se esta exagerando mucho el tema de la matrix defensiva, claro eso de resucitacion

instantanea es inequitativo para los demas jugadores pero creo que el tipo de caracteristicas del personaje la

hacen necesaria ya que pocos son habiles con una escopeta a distancias medias, por tanto deben acercarse

mucho a los enemigos para hacerles daño usando escopetas y en niveles oro o platino que la gran mayoria de

jugadores casuales poco juegan oro y otros pocos menos juegan platino les vendria util esta caracteristica,

ahora lo atinado seria cambiar su base de a un poder con un cooldown muy largo 20seg o mas para evitar ser

inequitativo con los demas jugadores sobretodo jugando en esos niveles oro y platino.

Si se cambia para que tenga un cooldown estaría bien, el problema es que para eso se necesita n parche y lo veo muy difícil a estas alturas, lamentablemente eso significaría que la mecánica en sí de este poder no será cambiada, lo único que se podría cambiar serían los stats que tenemos ahora.

El verdadero problema con ese poder, es que elimita todo tipo de riezgo, lo hace inexistente y por lo tanto quita del juego todo tipo de challenges

[RedJohn]

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

que bulto

purely false

Purely false? are you sure?

Geth juggernout has more shields, and health yes.

But if I jump on platinum and just stand there to die, i can assure you that the game will finish faster with the juggernout even if I equip Cyclonic IV, Shield booster V and use my 6 medigel.

I can last longer with the edibot even without touch the medigel with 0 fitness and without cyclonics or shield booster.

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

que bulto

purely false

Purely false? are you sure?

Geth juggernout has more shields, and health yes.

But if I jump on platinum and just stand there to die, i can assure you that the game will finish faster with the juggernout even if I equip Cyclonic IV, Shield booster V and use my 6 medigel.

I can last longer with the edibot even without touch the medigel with 0 fitness and without cyclonics or shield booster.

lol...... wow..... this is.... such.... a lie.....

brb... playing all my games standing still... not using hex shield... shield recharge from my turret... or shield recharge from heavy melee...

Modifié par Original Stikman, 28 février 2013 - 07:56 .

[nicethugbert]

palker wrote...

I got the alliance sexbot from the gift pack and tried her out immediately. Needless to say I was thoroughly satisfied.

What sort of satisfaction are we talking about here?

[RedJohn]

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

any decent player will destroy everything with her....

is like a TGI... with a debuff power

makes the GI look balanced in comparison.

The best Infiltrator by miles

I disagree 
 
She's still 3rd to TGI and GI. She's only good in close a combat and doesn't have as much overall damage potiential.  I'd only use her over those when I'm low on medi-gels.

You are talking about damage output when the real problem is the survivability, Edi survive more than the Geth Juggernout, and that's not fine

que bulto

purely false

Purely false? are you sure?

Geth juggernout has more shields, and health yes.

But if I jump on platinum and just stand there to die, i can assure you that the game will finish faster with the juggernout even if I equip Cyclonic IV, Shield booster V and use my 6 medigel.

I can last longer with the edibot even without touch the medigel with 0 fitness and without cyclonics or shield booster.

lol...... wow..... this is.... such.... a lie.....

brb... playing all my games standing still... not using hex shield... shield recharge from my turret... or shield recharge from heavy melee...

Be sure of what you said, Edibot can use 40 "medigel" without even touch the real gels.

[Muhkida]

RedJohn wrote...

Okay, here we are.

Look what happen, let's put the example of a very inexperienced player, if one of those players start using the EDI bot, instead of being good for him/her will be actually the opposite, the character don't make them learn anything about being careful, don't make them learn about situational awareness, it will make them ignore pretty much everything because the character has taken out the risk with its massive perks.

Conjecture. I could say that using the AIU can give an inexperienced player a boost in learning curve by understanding the way the mechanics work due to gaming exposure.  Then that said player can compensate when using other kits and react accordingly.  Take me for example.  My first gold match was FBW/G/G.  I got face-planted with the harsh reality that silver was nothing compared to this difficulty and that I would have to change my playstyle a lot.  After getting my feet wet within a few matches (including the sad reality that single shot sniper rifles were garbage because of damn shield gate), I moved on from FBW/G/G and progressed to U/U/G without much adjustment at all.  Now it's almost impossible for me to not get through wave 11 in gold PUG matches.

Does this mean every inexperienced player's skill level (who abuses the AIU) would progress like me when I was moving up to gold thru FBW/G/G?  No, because what happened to me is a maybe/what-if scenario....and so is your first paragraph.

I am not talking about leveling up difficulties no, i don't have any problem with that, but the thing is, characters like this makes players less skilled and make them ignore so much things about the game that is actually bad for the ones that learn how to play with it.

Again, conjecture.  You don't know the outcome of each individual inexperienced player that constantly uses this kit and then tries to move on from there.

Imagine the case of someone who learn how to play with this character, let's say on Fire Base White, one of the most used maps, good for granades etc, even if the player doesn't have granades gear he doesn't have to worry about too much because White is purely a granade map and once he notice all the perks it gives the character it will stick to it very much, of course, it doesn't matter if he or her stick too much to the character, but what is not good is that the character itself won't make the player evolve in skills, when that player try then another character would be a dissaster.

...and more conjecture.

I will say this though, this class should be balanced not because of "LOL, it makes players dummies" excuse, but because it makes playing other kits rather pointless.

And no, power creep =/= inexperienced players riding a gravy train.

Modifié par Muhkida, 28 février 2013 - 08:23 .

[usman0600]

as a casual player im trying to understand what is the difference between EDI bot and TGI ?
i thought tgi was virtually unlimited ops packs and high damage
edi is unlimited medigels and high survivability
did i miss something in between ?