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[Malanek]

Original Stikman wrote...
I have heard Redjohn's solos aren't commensurate with what people actually see in his gameplay. With this sort of crap credibility given the above, i wouldn't be surprised if he frauded those

Playing on and off host is quite different for people without the best connections.

[Original Twigman]

Malanek999 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...
I have heard Redjohn's solos aren't commensurate with what people actually see in his gameplay. With this sort of crap credibility given the above, i wouldn't be surprised if he frauded those

Playing on and off host is quite different for people without the best connections.

he stated that can score, easy 200k on someone else's connection...

but barely scored 150k in a gold duo for the arena challenged (winner needed the highest score).....

hmmmm

[RedJohn]

Original Stikman wrote...
The dude is pulling people's strings. He is BSer

He says he wants to hear legit arguments, but doesn't respond to them, pretends to not see them, or creates strawmen in response (making up an argument that was nevere made and then says "i win"

He says the AIU is OP then says the Talon is the best kit in Reckoning

Just total crap

Okay, first of all.

I never said Talon was the best character of Reckoning, please, before call what I say BS, please at least read before posting.

I said Talon was the most powerful in MY opinion, powerful =/= best.

Powerful = damage output
Best = this is more relative to the player.

He says he wants to hear legit arguments, but doesn't respond to them, pretends to not see them, or creates strawmen in response (making up an argument that was nevere made and then says "i win"

How do you know I pretend to not see them?, i take my time to read EVERY coment on the thread, if I don't answer to all of them is for any reason.

Please find me a link where I said " i win"

I have heard Redjohn's solos aren't commensurate with what people actually see in his gameplay. With this sort of crap credibility given the above, i wouldn't be surprised if he frauded those

Of course, say by haters people and console scrubs who don't know what Fraps can do to your framerate while you are recording if you don't have a very very good PC.

Original Stikman wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...
I have heard Redjohn's solos aren't commensurate with what people actually see in his gameplay. With this sort of crap credibility given the above, i wouldn't be surprised if he frauded those

Playing on and off host is quite different for people without the best connections.

he stated that can score, easy 200k on someone else's connection...

but barely scored 150k in a gold duo for the arena challenged (winner needed the highest score).....

hmmmm

Invalid argument, the amount of score you can reach in game depends on how many teammates do you have, you score easier 300k in a game of 4 people than 200 in a duo, you whould know that if you play this game enough.



Now, if you are against what I think, my opinions etc, it's fine, I can't arge against it, but at least have the maturity to not make a simple debate of a character into a personal attack, that talks very bad about you.

Modifié par RedJohn, 08 mars 2013 - 01:13 .

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...
The dude is pulling people's strings. He is BSer

He says he wants to hear legit arguments, but doesn't respond to them, pretends to not see them, or creates strawmen in response (making up an argument that was nevere made and then says "i win"

He says the AIU is OP then says the Talon is the best kit in Reckoning

Just total crap

Okay, first of all.

I never said Talon was the best character of Reckoning, please, before call what I say BS, please at least read before posting.

I said Talon was the most powerful in MY opinion, powerful =/= best.

Powerful = damage output
Best = this is more relative to the player.

He says he wants to hear legit arguments, but doesn't respond to them, pretends to not see them, or creates strawmen in response (making up an argument that was nevere made and then says "i win"

How do you know I pretend to not see them?, i take my time to read EVERY coment on the thread, if I don't answer to all of them is for any reason.

Please find me a link where I said " i win"

I have heard Redjohn's solos aren't commensurate with what people actually see in his gameplay. With this sort of crap credibility given the above, i wouldn't be surprised if he frauded those

Of course, say by haters people and console scrubs who don't know what Fraps can do to your framerate while you are recording if you don't have a very very good PC.

Weren't you beaten by "console scrubs"?

Please, your elitist attitude is a poor mask for ineptitude.

Lol... Best =/= powerful

I have the best gun in the world... unforunately its not the most powerful... because Best does not encompass power....

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...


Invalid argument, the amount of score you can reach in game depends on how many teammates do you have, you score easier 300k in a game of 4 people than 200 in a duo, you whould know that if you play this game enough.

wut did i just read??? I have never scored 275k on a set enemy/set map on gold with 4 people... but i did when it was just me and one other.... Wut ludicrousness is this?

fyi
You call people "console scrubs" what does that say about you?

[Malanek]

Hmm first time I would actually support a mod locking a thread. Settle chaps.

[xtorma]

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

[RedJohn]

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...


Invalid argument, the amount of score you can reach in game depends on how many teammates do you have, you score easier 300k in a game of 4 people than 200 in a duo, you whould know that if you play this game enough.

wut did i just read??? I have never scored 275k on a set enemy/set map on gold with 4 people... but i did when it was just me and one other.... Wut ludicrousness is this?

fyi
You call people "console scrubs" what does that say about you?

"console scrub" is a way we refer ( with no offense intented ) to console players, mostly a joke, never a personal attack.

And yes, you can score higher in a team of 4 depending on the team than in a game of 2.

Yes we lost against kalas, and what?, i'm sure we could have won if our luck were not being that bad.

Best =/= powerful

I have the best gun in the world... unforunately its not the most powerful... because Best does not encompass power....

As I said, most powerful is deal more damage, best is something more relative to the player.


Let's say you have a granade that deals 90000k damage to all the things but it has cooldown and the cooldown base is 4 minutes and also it reduces your health to the half during the cooldown and reduces your speed at 50%, in that case it would be the most powerful power but not the best due to the draw backs.

Same can be applied to a character that has HUGE damage output but the other drawbacks make him not very good.

Now you understand?

[RedJohn]

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

[xtorma]

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

survival was not the point of your thread. You basically stated that edibot doesn't teach people the lessons they need to learn to survive on higher levels with other kits. Wouldn't you agree that the juggy also will not teach those lessons?  

[Qui-Gon Glenn]

RedJohn wrote...

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

lolReegar to the rescue... the reason why I now have a kit that uses it. If it is OP, I feel no shame.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

RedJohn, if you are so opposed to "crutches" why do you play the Turians with their unlimited Ops Packs so often?

[RedJohn]

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

survival was not the point of your thread. You basically stated that edibot doesn't teach people the lessons they need to learn to survive on higher levels with other kits. Wouldn't you agree that the juggy also will not teach those lessons?  

Well, on lower difficulties yes, I think it is as you say, you know it is a very interesting thing I would like to analize it more. 

But for example on platinum, a juggy must be well supported for the team to not get down, but the difference with the Edi bot, is that with the juggernout you don't have something to increase almost all your stats, that's what happens, after EDIbot a new player would find another characters too pointless, Juggy has the disadvantage of speed in that aspect, even if he is a very tough guy, his possibles playstyles are very limited.

But below Gold.......... ufff not even mention it :happy:

[RedJohn]

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

lolReegar to the rescue... the reason why I now have a kit that uses it. If it is OP, I feel no shame.

Possessed Scion and Praetorians say a lovely HI 

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn, if you are so opposed to "crutches" why do you play the Turians with their unlimited Ops Packs so often?

I love TGI but don't play the new turians very often, i dont' know from where have you taken that argument, but in any case, i have 4 points in stim packs on TGI

Also I find TGI fine, stim packs gives you a good amount of shields, but it doesn't revive you, it doesn't increase your speed, it doesn't give you damage reduction it doesn't regen your shields automatically when you lost them when the power still active. Stim packs and repair matrix are very different.

Modifié par RedJohn, 08 mars 2013 - 01:58 .

[SpartanKing145]

Original Stikman wrote...
[...]
Weren't you beaten by "console scrubs"?
Please, your elitist attitude is a poor mask for ineptitude.
[...]

I do remember RedJohn's first posts, he barely could write in english. Apparently, he learned english by reading these forums and unfortunately he got familiar with the bad habits of those who posted more often which in turn made him an elitist douchebag.

Modifié par SpartanKing145, 08 mars 2013 - 02:04 .

[Original Twigman]

RedJohn wrote...

Right... like how dominicans call people of color "negros and negrita" despite the obvious hint of inherent racism in the country and in the expression.

Dont BS me with your "console scrubs is  a playful term." It is inherently a demeaning term implying a elitist heirarchy in the playerbase, you and your elitist ilk use it often in demeaning ways. Your trolling doesn't fool me

[han shot shepard]

RedJohn, if you can defend stim packs I don't see why you are calling for a DM nerf...seriously guy.
I don't have an EDI yet and pray I get one before your nerf comes so I can see what's the big deal. I play as a TGI on gold sometimes and Platinum exclusively

[RedJohn]

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Right... like how dominicans call people of color "negros and negrita" despite the obvious hint of inherent racism in the country and in the expression.

Dont BS me with your "console scrubs is  a playful term." It is inherently a demeaning term implying a elitist heirarchy in the playerbase, you and your elitist ilk use it often in demeaning ways. Your trolling doesn't fool me

Okay Stikman whatever you say, I won't keep debating with you, is not funny when you go personal.

I will leave it here, I won't answer you more.

[TeamLexana]

RedJohn wrote...

Qui-Gon Glenn wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

lolReegar to the rescue... the reason why I now have a kit that uses it. If it is OP, I feel no shame.

Possessed Scion and Praetorians say a lovely HI 

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn, if you are so opposed to "crutches" why do you play the Turians with their unlimited Ops Packs so often?

I love TGI but don't play the new turians very often, i dont' know from where have you taken that argument, but in any case, i have 4 points in stim packs on TGI

Also I find TGI fine, stim packs gives you a good amount of shields, but it doesn't revive you, it doesn't increase your speed, it doesn't give you damage reduction it doesn't regen your shields automatically when you lost them when the power still active. Stim packs and repair matrix are very different.

Well no but they do still help sheild gate, nullify banshee aides, increase damage, and practically turn the TGI into a freaking tank. No res but with the TGI, you simply don't NEED it. Stay in the back and in cover and lol over the crazy AR cloak damage with your fav AR. Prime/Ravenger/Turret/Scion (etc, etc) starts sniping you? LOLSTIMPACK and kill it lightening quick.

Best thing about TGI's compared to AUI's is they probably aren't going to be hogging nearly as many grenades, which is my concern over nerfing the stats to the Jesus Grenades. Lowering the sheild regen and duration is likely only going to lead to AUI's jacking more of them out of the boxes which hurts other grenade users in the match more then leaving it as it is.

[xtorma]

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

survival was not the point of your thread. You basically stated that edibot doesn't teach people the lessons they need to learn to survive on higher levels with other kits. Wouldn't you agree that the juggy also will not teach those lessons?  

Well, on lower difficulties yes, I think it is as you say, you know it is a very interesting thing I would like to analize it more. 

But for example on platinum, a juggy must be well supported for the team to not get down, but the difference with the Edi bot, is that with the juggernout you don't have something to increase almost all your stats, that's what happens, after EDIbot a new player would find another characters too pointless, Juggy has the disadvantage of speed in that aspect, even if he is a very tough guy, his possibles playstyles are very limited.

But below Gold.......... ufff not even mention it :happy:

Here is is.

The juggy is slow, it can not teach speed as a survival tool
The juggy can't take cover, it cannot teach the proper use of cover
The juggy has poor dps, is poor at teaching bullet placement.
The juggy has heavy melee as a crutch, it teaches to push one button to get out of trouble, much like the AIU.
The juggy allows people to play at higher difficulties without the knowledge to survive there with any other kit, much like the AIU.

Bottom line is that a player with absolutly no knowledge of how to survive will do much better for the team on the higher difficulties with a juggy, and will never ever have to learn anything other than stand, heavy melee and toss out a shield while his friends dps all teh things.

The AIU is definatly op, but the whole argument that she doesn't teach people how to play properly can be just as easily applied to the juggy.

[joker_jack]

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

survival was not the point of your thread. You basically stated that edibot doesn't teach people the lessons they need to learn to survive on higher levels with other kits. Wouldn't you agree that the juggy also will not teach those lessons?  

Well, on lower difficulties yes, I think it is as you say, you know it is a very interesting thing I would like to analize it more. 

But for example on platinum, a juggy must be well supported for the team to not get down, but the difference with the Edi bot, is that with the juggernout you don't have something to increase almost all your stats, that's what happens, after EDIbot a new player would find another characters too pointless, Juggy has the disadvantage of speed in that aspect, even if he is a very tough guy, his possibles playstyles are very limited.

But below Gold.......... ufff not even mention it :happy:

Here is is.

The juggy is slow, it can not teach speed as a survival tool
The juggy can't take cover, it cannot teach the proper use of cover
The juggy has poor dps, is poor at teaching bullet placement.
The juggy has heavy melee as a crutch, it teaches to push one button to get out of trouble, much like the AIU.
The juggy allows people to play at higher difficulties without the knowledge to survive there with any other kit, much like the AIU.

Bottom line is that a player with absolutly no knowledge of how to survive will do much better for the team on the higher difficulties with a juggy, and will never ever have to learn anything other than stand, heavy melee and toss out a shield while his friends dps all teh things.

The AIU is definatly op, but the whole argument that she doesn't teach people how to play properly can be just as easily applied to the juggy.

And people wonder why we are in the dark age of gaming. Half horrible copr practices. The other being a p**** poor elitist fan base ruining it for everyone.

[TeamLexana]

RedJohn wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

Right... like how dominicans call people of color "negros and negrita" despite the obvious hint of inherent racism in the country and in the expression.

Dont BS me with your "console scrubs is  a playful term." It is inherently a demeaning term implying a elitist heirarchy in the playerbase, you and your elitist ilk use it often in demeaning ways. Your trolling doesn't fool me

Okay Stikman whatever you say, I won't keep debating with you, is not funny when you go personal.

I will leave it here, I won't answer you more.

Maybe don't call him a console scrub? He obvisouly doesn't like it. I don't either to be perfectly honest.

[Kalas Magnus]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RedJohn, if you are so opposed to "crutches" why do you play the Turians with their unlimited Ops Packs so often?

[january42]

The AIU is definatly op, but the whole argument that she doesn't teach people how to play properly can be just as easily applied to the juggy.

Playstyle is differnet for all classes. The Juggy just happens to be one of the few with a unique playstyle. Shadow and Krolord also (kinda) share a fairly unique style. Kroguard is another one.

I really have yet to see a decent arugment for nerfing edi.  She's op, but in a way that doesn't really hurt anyonre any more than any other class. Unless you love playing medic and getting revive medals, I'm not sure why you would hate having EDI on your team more than a GI or TGI. Like RJ said, her damage output isn't tip-top level.


The whole crutch argument is kinda dumb anyway.  If players use it to "jump up a level" as seems to be the argument, then they will either learn to play gold or....give up. If you can hold up your end, I don't really care how you do it, or if you can do it with every class, or just the one your playing.


Maybe I got old, but I'd rather have minorly op(and she is no where near the old GI+Krysae combo) classes than a clone of an existing one that is slighly more balanced, esp considering all the weaker classes out there.

Dual curese of Reckoning is that they tried to do a bunch of stuff that they didn't before, but in most of the cases they went overboard trying to balance it and made it overly weak.  Not sure how the AIU escaped that, but oh well.

CA- would be find without the insane cooldowns
Juggernaut - needs a minor offensive buff
Talon- buggy as all hell. His arrow powers are also incredibly weak. The stupid bow animation means no one wants to use the bow, so we don't notice.
Krolord - Limited to playing on host or vs geth.
AIU-op, kinda
Cabal - buggy.  Would actually be pretty decent without the 30% of melee is poison thing.

[RedJohn]

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

xtorma wrote...

Any reason why you didn't answer my last post RJ? I know you can't answer every one, but I was hoping for some clearification as to why your rebuttal would be considered unique to the edibot.

I was using my celphone and it is very hard to quote and answer when there is lot of text, and erase the quote above the coment is hard with my small screen .

xtorma wrote...

this is kinda funny RJ, because you can substitute Geth Juggy for Edibot in the first paragraph of this rebuttal and it would still be true. 

The difference is, juggernout can be killed in higher difficulties, if you get surrounded you are death

survival was not the point of your thread. You basically stated that edibot doesn't teach people the lessons they need to learn to survive on higher levels with other kits. Wouldn't you agree that the juggy also will not teach those lessons?  

Well, on lower difficulties yes, I think it is as you say, you know it is a very interesting thing I would like to analize it more. 

But for example on platinum, a juggy must be well supported for the team to not get down, but the difference with the Edi bot, is that with the juggernout you don't have something to increase almost all your stats, that's what happens, after EDIbot a new player would find another characters too pointless, Juggy has the disadvantage of speed in that aspect, even if he is a very tough guy, his possibles playstyles are very limited.

But below Gold.......... ufff not even mention it :happy:

Here is is.

The juggy is slow, it can not teach speed as a survival tool
The juggy can't take cover, it cannot teach the proper use of cover
The juggy has poor dps, is poor at teaching bullet placement.
The juggy has heavy melee as a crutch, it teaches to push one button to get out of trouble, much like the AIU.
The juggy allows people to play at higher difficulties without the knowledge to survive there with any other kit, much like the AIU.

Bottom line is that a player with absolutly no knowledge of how to survive will do much better for the team on the higher difficulties with a juggy, and will never ever have to learn anything other than stand, heavy melee and toss out a shield while his friends dps all teh things.

The AIU is definatly op, but the whole argument that she doesn't teach people how to play properly can be just as easily applied to the juggy.

You are completely right I can't arge against that because it is true.

But also we should point that Juggy it's completely different when we talk about playstyle due to the lack of cover and his mobility, so maybe that would mean that someone who plays from 0 can easily perform better with another different character, because they would know that the new character can take cover, grab, etc etc, i mean, it would be like start from 0 again.

in the case of EDI then the difference wouldn't be that big because the playstyle system is similar to other characters, cover, rolls, grabs, and if the new player learn with this having 0 risks then it would be bad.

of course, this is speculation, but it is a very interesting point to discuss