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[vometia]

Obtusifolius wrote...

It's a fake accent though, so the best we can do is try and conjecture what accent he is trying to do [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I didn't think his sounded fake, but I did hear some other quite odd accents, such as the guy who says "dwaahven", which I've never heard before, and the mabari-keeper who drops the "h" of "herb", something I've only heard Americans do.

Glip wrote...

I don't find Bodhan's as North London.. I would certainly say more midlands. Then again I usually don't pay too much attention to him, maybe if I listen to him again.

I was struggling between London and Midlands when I wrote that - I knew I'd choose the wrong one.

[AntiChri5]

Its not exactly rare for actors to screw up accents so that those who speak with that accent can tell but those who do not cant.

[Maria Caliban]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think not.
I also think by giving Elves North American accents symbolizes the fact that they're the true natives to the continent, while the Humans and their European accents are more the colonizers who have conquered their lands.

How does that make any sense at all, considering that most North Americvans aren't the true natives of thier continent?


Let me go get my 'Jump to Conclusions' mat, so I can play too.

Given that the developers have compared the elves to Native Americans (as well as Jews and Roma), his idea seems to be a sound one.

Obtusifolius wrote...

vometia wrote...

I didn't think his sounded fake, but I did hear some other quite odd accents, such as the guy who says "dwaahven", which I've never heard before, and the mabari-keeper who drops the "h" of "herb", something I've only heard Americans do.

Yes, I hated hearing that. I also noticed some other strange things, which I shall list here:

Alistair pronouncing lever 'levver' instead of 'leever'.
Alistair pronouncing route 'rowt' instead of 'root'.
Morrigan pronouncing progress 'proggress' instead of 'proagress'.

It was most confusing, especially once I realised Valentine, the guy who voices Alistair, is British

A 'British' accent is about a dozen different possible accents. Morrigan was voiced by a woman from Sidney, Austraila. As she was raised in a swamp and by a centuries old abomination, it makes sense that she doesn't sound quite like the average Fereldan.

Of course, she doesn't sound anything like the person who raised her, as Flemeth has an American accent.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 11 janvier 2010 - 09:42 .

[Dark Lilith]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think not.
I also think by giving Elves North American accents symbolizes the fact that they're the true natives to the continent, while the Humans and their European accents are more the colonizers who have conquered their lands.

How does that make any sense at all, considering that most North Americvans aren't the true natives of thier continent?


Let me go get my 'Jump to Conclusions' mat, so I can play too.

really,I was born in america,that makes me american.don't let my asian looks fool you!

[vometia]

Obtusifolius wrote...

You are correct there, but I must add that there is no British accent where the speaker pronounces lever 'levver' or route 'rowt'.

I'm glad I didn't notice those things - not because I have any "accent snobbery" (well no more than normal - hopefully!) but because they would be rather incongruous.  That said, I have heard a few British business managers utter that recently arrived monstrosity "levveridge", but they're a breed well known either side of the pond for speaking something that's increasingly unrelated to English...

Obtusifolius wrote...

Claudia Black's pronunciation is understandable, since as you say she is not really British.

I really couldn't pick up even a hint of Australian accent in Morrigan's dialogue: I am left wondering if Claudia Black has perhaps spent a significant time in the UK, since apart from all the "'tis" business, she could easily pass for someone from the Home Counties.  She's remarkably good at accents if not.

[NKKKK]

Elves have more parallels to African Americans than anything.

[Jonny_Evil]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I think not.
I also think by giving Elves North American accents symbolizes the fact that they're the true natives to the continent, while the Humans and their European accents are more the colonizers who have conquered their lands.

How does that make any sense at all, considering that most North Americvans aren't the true natives of thier continent?


Let me go get my 'Jump to Conclusions' mat, so I can play too.

Given that the developers have compared the elves to Native Americans (as well as Jews and Roma), his idea seems to be a sound one.

It's not that sound of an idea. He's equating a modern American accent to indigenous peoples and an English accent to invaders. Last I checked my ancestors have lived in the lands we currently occupy for thousands of years, give or take the odd invasion by romans, saxons, vikings and normans replacing our nobility, something no American without native ancestors can claim, so why should our accent equal non-indigenous invader?

Modifié par Jonny_Evil, 12 janvier 2010 - 12:09 .

[Dick Delaware]

NKKKK wrote...

Elves have more parallels to African Americans than anything.

City Elves, maybe. The Dalish are more like Gypsies in that they're an unwelcome group with no place to call their own.

[NKKKK]

Think about it. They had an empire and a culture, they got enslaved, they were freed due to a massive war and they live in ghettos and at the end have a chance to make further progress

[melkathi]

Darth Obvious wrote...

Funny, my Spanish-speaking friends who play this game don't think it sounds Spanish at all...

That is the fun bit of fake accents. They only sounds like what they are ment to sound like to the people who don't know what the real accent sounds like. Take that very popular movie fake german accent. It hurts my ears.

vometia wrote...

catofnine wrote...

I do
have to ask...what exactly is Bodahn's accent? Always found it strange
that the dwarves sound American and he doesn't.

Generic
north London, to my ears; occasionally I think I can hear a hint of
Midlands (as in Birmingham or thereabouts: the one in England [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie])
in there, but I may just be imagining it.  I knew someone with a very
similar accent a while back and found myself sometimes struggling to
place his with certainty, too, but unfortunately I never asked.

I haven't been to Brum in years. (And I doubt anyone who has would blame me for staying away ) But Bodahn's accent didn't sound familiar.





To the OP.

The way I understand it, there are parallels between Orlais and Ferelden and our historic period from William the Conqueror/Bastard till the Hundred Years' War.
Andraste's, and in a lesser way Leiliana's, mirroring of Jeanne d'Arc strengthens such comparisons. (and no I am not saying that Andraste fought against Orlais, before anyone bites me head off )



... I had more to say but forgot what it was

[JBurke]

I've heard the British say "pro-gress" and "pra-gress" depending on the region (and in cases, the person) you're in as well as "lee-ver" and "leh-ver" all the same. I mean, even my professors in the States say it in various different ways so associating it to American or British is kind of silly.

As for the races being specific accents to represent real world events or beliefs, I think you're just looking into it a bit too much. They probably just gave different accents to different races/nations in order for you to be able to tell where they are from and so it doesn't all sound the same. A game, such as Dragon Age, that has such a vast continent (I hope we move on to more continents in the distant future) filled with different cultures would be rather boring if everybody had the same accent.

On a side note just for laughs, I have an American father and British mum, so I get the best (and worst) of these accents and ways of saying it. It confuses my friends a lot since I'm in California and say and spell everything in the Queen's English but with a American West Coast accent.

[AntiChri5]

vometia wrote...

Obtusifolius wrote...

You are correct there, but I must add that there is no British accent where the speaker pronounces lever 'levver' or route 'rowt'.

I'm glad I didn't notice those things - not because I have any "accent snobbery" (well no more than normal - hopefully!) but because they would be rather incongruous.  That said, I have heard a few British business managers utter that recently arrived monstrosity "levveridge", but they're a breed well known either side of the pond for speaking something that's increasingly unrelated to English...

Obtusifolius wrote...

Claudia Black's pronunciation is understandable, since as you say she is not really British.

I really couldn't pick up even a hint of Australian accent in Morrigan's dialogue: I am left wondering if Claudia Black has perhaps spent a significant time in the UK, since apart from all the "'tis" business, she could easily pass for someone from the Home Counties.  She's remarkably good at accents if not.

That was really just the way she was raised to talk. A lot of Aussies still like to talk as "british" as possible. Claudia herself refers to it as a "mut" accent or the "international Australian accent" and says she mostly talks like that because whenever she auditioned she was told she didnt do a good enough Australian accent. And that to satasfy them she had to lay it on so thick she thought she sounded like a stoned guy.

How do i know this crap? The Sci Fi channel we get wont stop running this bloody ad/interview with her which is just about the damn accent.

[Darth Obvious]

Akimb0 wrote...

There is no "British" accent, in fact there's no country called Britain. I assume you are probably referring to the "Queens English" as it's known. It probably stands out because it was intended to be clear and easily understood (Even the peasantry speak it, with that twang of commoner). It's probably the lack of (strong) accent which makes people assume it's "British".

No, that's just what most Americans call the generic "Queen's English".

And yes, we know that there is no nation called Britain, but we would never say "English" accent. Why? Because we speak English, and we are obviously not referring to our American English, so to avoid confusion, we just call it a British accent. Everyone knows what that means.

And just like there are specific types of British accents, there are also several specific American accents.

But when you say "American" accent, you are usually referring to the generic American accent (not the southern one, or accents from upper midwest or northeast).

[Jonny_Evil]

Darth Obvious wrote...

Akimb0 wrote...

There is no "British" accent, in fact there's no country called Britain. I assume you are probably referring to the "Queens English" as it's known. It probably stands out because it was intended to be clear and easily understood (Even the peasantry speak it, with that twang of commoner). It's probably the lack of (strong) accent which makes people assume it's "British".

No, that's just what most Americans call the generic "Queen's English".

And yes, we know that there is no nation called Britain, but we would never say "English" accent. Why? Because we speak English, and we are obviously not referring to our American English, so to avoid confusion, we just call it a British accent. Everyone knows what that means.

And just like there are specific types of British accents, there are also several specific American accents.

But when you say "American" accent, you are usually referring to the generic American accent (not the southern one, or accents from upper midwest or northeast).

That's a different thing altogether. "Britain" is made up of four different countries each with their own language and accents. Lumping a cornish accent and a london accent with a geordie accent and calling them all "English" is the same as your American accent example. Lumping them all together under "British" is the same as taking all accents from Guatemala northwards and calling them "American". Just because you speak english is no reason to completely negate an entire country, unless you think French-Canadians ignore the existence of France because it would be too confusing?

[vometia]

actually, never mind...

Modifié par vometia, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:07 .

[VanDraegon]

Maviarab wrote...

*walks into thread*....

*Walks right back out shaking his head*.....

lolz

[Aldridgeguy]

Didnt you know, look at american films, ALL the bad guys have British accents !! Its obvious lol !!

[Darth Obvious]

Jonny_Evil wrote...

That's a different thing altogether. "Britain" is made up of four different countries each with their own language and accents. Lumping a cornish accent and a london accent with a geordie accent and calling them all "English" is the same as your American accent example.

Hence the reason why I gave it.

Lumping them all together under "British" is the same as taking all accents from Guatemala northwards and calling them "American".

Not even close. When people refer to "American accents" they are obviously referring only to those originating from the United States of America, not all of those from the entire North American continent. It's ludicrous to suggest that anyone would consider Spanish or French accents (while both languages are spoken in large numbers in North America) to be "American accents".

But the greater point is that the term "British accent" has a very clear and obvious meaning to Americans. The average American may not know the difference between the different types of British accents, but that is irrelevant. Hell, sometimes I can't even tell the difference between some of the different types of American accents, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still American accents.

[corebit]

Dwarves and Qunari also speak with american accents, It's not just Elves.

Shale however speaks with British accent.



So it's not entirely consistent.

[Cavegeta]

Does anybody actually hear accents in their heads when they choose their character's dialogue? I was rocking and rolling with a somewhat British accent with my human noble when Riordan pops up and says he's from Highever.

[Nuclear_Pony]

LOL, it would be groovy to haven given the dwarves Scottish accents (at least give them cockney accents, think Michael Caine).
I probably would have played a dwarf all the time if it was so.
Bodahn sounds more sort of Australian then anything else (I keep thinking of Paul Hogan all the time when I hear him).
And about Claudia Black she does sound more British then Australian (but the same could be said about a lot of others e.g. Cate Blanchett, Nicole Kidman, Hugo Weaving and in to some extent Hugh Jackman).
But all in all the Bioware did a heck of a job to distinguish all the Ferelden denizens. Gotta love the variety.
Interesting point Cavegeta, I'm gonna take a bit to hear all of those voices a bit more thoroughly next time

Modifié par Nuclear_Pony, 12 janvier 2010 - 06:44 .

[Kimarous]

YES! Because Americans were enslaved by a larger empire, freed by a Christ figure, got a new homeland, and then got scattered to the winds because of religious tension! It all makes sense!