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[NKKKK]

Kimarous wrote...

YES! Because Americans were enslaved by a larger empire, freed by a Christ figure, got a new homeland, and then got scattered to the winds because of religious tension! It all makes sense!

You obviously haven't heard the word of the great Joseph Smith

[adembroski11]

Dick Delaware wrote...

North Americans tend to associate British accents with wealth and privilege.

No we don't, we associate it with soccer hooligans and Tim Curry.

It's the Boston Brahmin accent I think most Americans associate with wealth and privilage. Think Mr. Howell from Gilligan's Island or Winchester from M*A*S*H.

Modifié par adembroski11, 12 janvier 2010 - 10:34 .

[Jonny_Evil]

Darth Obvious wrote...

Jonny_Evil wrote...

That's a different thing altogether. "Britain" is made up of four different countries each with their own language and accents. Lumping a cornish accent and a london accent with a geordie accent and calling them all "English" is the same as your American accent example.

Hence the reason why I gave it.

Lumping them all together under "British" is the same as taking all accents from Guatemala northwards and calling them "American".

Not even close. When people refer to "American accents" they are obviously referring only to those originating from the United States of America, not all of those from the entire North American continent. It's ludicrous to suggest that anyone would consider Spanish or French accents (while both languages are spoken in large numbers in North America) to be "American accents".

But the greater point is that the term "British accent" has a very clear and obvious meaning to Americans. The average American may not know the difference between the different types of British accents, but that is irrelevant. Hell, sometimes I can't even tell the difference between some of the different types of American accents, but it doesn't change the fact that they are still American accents.

Really? A "British" accent would by it's very nature include people who speak Gaelic and Welsh, my example was chosen with this in mind to display the ludicrous nature of lumping different countries with different languages together under one accent.

Every other english speaking nation seems capable of discerning an English accent without confusing themselves because "they also speak english". The concept of a "British" accent has become entrenched in America for some reason, but that doesn't mean it's accurate or right or should continue. I certainly don't believe Americans lack the mental capacity to cope with the concept of their main language coming from another country with the same name, as you seem to suggest.

[Cavegeta]

Nuclear_Pony wrote...

LOL, it would be groovy to haven given the dwarves Scottish accents (at least give them cockney accents, think Michael Caine).
I probably would have played a dwarf all the time if it was so.
Bodahn sounds more sort of Australian then anything else (I keep thinking of Paul Hogan all the time when I hear him).
And about Claudia Black she does sound more British then Australian (but the same could be said about a lot of others e.g. Cate Blanchett, Nicole Kidman, Hugo Weaving and in to some extent Hugh Jackman).
But all in all the Bioware did a heck of a job to distinguish all the Ferelden denizens. Gotta love the variety.
Interesting point Cavegeta, I'm gonna take a bit to hear all of those voices a bit more thoroughly next time

I'm not crazy........really..........I think?

[Aldridgeguy]

Nuclear_Pony wrote...

LOL, it would be groovy to haven given the dwarves Scottish accents

NOOOOOOOO !!!! lol It's such a cliche, Dwarves are ALWAYS portrayed with Scottish accents !!

[noellzy]

Most people from the US and UK couldn't tell the difference between an Aussie, a Kiwi or a South African for love or money. Bodahn doesn't sound Aussie (or kiwi or yarpi) at all; he sounds like Wolverine in the original cartoons. We don't voice our R... it is an ah, not a hard 'Arr' like Americans or Irish.



Zev sounds Spanish (not spanish speaking... comparing a latin american to a spaniard is like comparing a north american to an englishman), similar to a Madrid accent.

[LadyDrusilla]

I think its more to do with different accents being used to differentiate variosu vultural groups, rather than drawing a parallel to any real life history.

As someone who speaks with English Recieved Pronunciation (aka Stereotypical Upper class British Film Villain Accent or SUCBFVA, pronounced suck-buffet), I to find a lot of Americans (as in, from the USA) do react to it very strangely.

[FlintlockJazz]

I think it's clear why british accents are used: because they are awesome. The Imperials realised this, and had Star Wars not been written as a yankee colonial fantasy then we would have seen the Imperials crush the minor terrorist group in time to return home for tea and crumpets! Tally ho!

[Descartian]

All I can say is that the American accents in this game are very annoying and the only thing I don't like about this awesome game. Why give dwarves an American redneck hillbilly accent and not the usual Scottish accent? It just sounds better when British accents are used in fanstasy CRPG games, rather than struggling to get the Jerry Springer type voice out of your head when talking to a character in the game.

Bioware, no disrespect, love your work since Baldur's Gate. Also no disrespect to you American guys, it's just an association thing. I mean we don't want dwarves starting rapping in Dust Town, that belongs in a music video :-)

[adembroski11]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I think it's clear why british accents are used: because they are awesome. The Imperials realised this, and had Star Wars not been written as a yankee colonial fantasy then we would have seen the Imperials crush the minor terrorist group in time to return home for tea and crumpets! Tally ho!

Perhaps we should revisit the results of the real Yankee Colonial rebellion, eh?

Of course, considering we had to drag the English into France after D-Day because they felt they needed their tea, I guess I'm not so surprised America won the rebellion.

Modifié par adembroski11, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:26 .

[Descartian]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I think it's clear why british accents are used: because they are awesome. The Imperials realised this, and had Star Wars not been written as a yankee colonial fantasy then we would have seen the Imperials crush the minor terrorist group in time to return home for tea and crumpets! Tally ho!

Well put 

[adembroski11]

I don't think I can tell Aussie from Kiwi, but I can definitely tell South African. For some reason South African sounds uncomfortable to me. I just cannot stand the sound of it and it grates on me, so I know it very easily when I hear it.

There are Irish accents that are similar to some Welsh/English accents, and I can probably identify 4 or 5 English accents as English. I do a damn good cockney myself. Scottish accents are generally distinctive, but I can't really tell one from another. The majority of Irish I can identify, depending on the "sing-songy" of the dialect/accent.

In the U.S., I can generally identify most of the dialects and accents. I can't really tell southwestern (Colorado, Arizona) vs. northwestern (Minnesota, Michigan), but West Coast, New England, North Eastern, Southern, Texas Southern, etc. are fairly easily identifyable. Canadian accents are seem to have an upwards inflection at the end of the sentence that gives it away.

I can tell much more easily with black dialects. L.A. vs. Oakland is obvious, and L.A. vs. New York is more so. New Orleans,  Atlanta, and Miami are very distinctive. Texas is pretty much the "default" you hear on television a lot (and the least different from the dominant white dialect).

I generally have a pretty good ear for accents. For example, I find it odd people talk about the "English accent" of the Fereldens, when I'm hearing a solid half dozen English accents and several Australian ones as well.

Modifié par adembroski11, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:41 .

[Quickfend]

simo2003 wrote...

Interesting idea about the Elves' American accent and its symbolism.

I'm glad they used English accents for human Fereldans. The continent Ferelden is on seems to be 'Fantasy Europe' and I think Ferelden itself has a generally Dark Age Britain atmosphere. So the choice of accent makes sense, is what I'm trying to say.

I don't know why, I tend to dislike the use of American accents in fantasy (maybe because I'm British myself?). Most likely because the vast majority of fantasy fiction is set in Ye Olde Magick Britain. (Yes, I know it's fantasy, so the accents can actually be whatever the author decides). Besides, there's only so much Kevin Costner "Ah'm Rahbin Hood, y'all" that I can take!

I second this.
 

[trueKieran]

You know... after reading all of this, I'm actually glad I play the game in german.

Modifié par trueKieran, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:42 .

[Descartian]

adembroski11 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I think it's clear why british accents are used: because they are awesome. The Imperials realised this, and had Star Wars not been written as a yankee colonial fantasy then we would have seen the Imperials crush the minor terrorist group in time to return home for tea and crumpets! Tally ho!

Perhaps we should revisit the results of the real Yankee Colonial rebellion, eh?

Of course, considering we had to drag the English into France after D-Day because they felt they needed their tea, I guess I'm not so surprised America won the rebellion.

Must agree with you there. Here in South Africa we had most of the Imperial lords (esp Lord Milner) crying in their diaries and lying face down in mud for hours during the Anglo-Boer War. Guerrilla warfare, sharpshooters, night attacks and trenches were just too much for their commanders who only knew let's-line-them-up-taking-turns-to-shoot-with- the-biggest-army-always-winning-in-the-end warfare.

But I will still enjoy the British accent in a fantasy game anytime :happy:

[FlintlockJazz]

adembroski11 wrote...

Perhaps we should revisit the results of the real Yankee Colonial rebellion, eh?

Of
course, considering we had to drag the English into France after D-Day
because they felt they needed their tea, I guess I'm not so surprised
America won the rebellion.

Descartian wrote...

Must agree with you there. Here in South Africa we had most of the Imperial lords (esp Lord Milner) crying in their diaries and lying face down in mud for hours during the Anglo-Boer War. Guerrilla warfare, sharpshooters, night attacks and trenches were just too much for their commanders who only knew let's-line-them-up-taking-turns-to-shoot-with- the-biggest-army-always-winning-in-the-end warfare.

But I will still enjoy the British accent in a fantasy game anytime :happy:

Oh tosh, we just let you guys think you won while we ran things from behind the scenes without having to pay out for you money grubbing colonials!  And as for the WW2, you do realise we had to hold off the Germans by ourselves while you were off drinking coffee selling weapons and profiteering from the war adem!

Really though, did you have to bring in real world examples in something that was intended as a blatant satire on the accents in Star Wars?? <_<  The proper response would have been to liken the Rebellion to colonial america or somesuch involving cowboys shooting Darth Vader.

[Descartian]

Can't argue with someone sporting a Minsc quote, hehehe. My favourite was "Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!! RrraaaAAGHGHH!!! " I Always have a laugh at that

Modifié par Descartian, 12 janvier 2010 - 02:32 .

[adembroski11]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

adembroski11 wrote...

Perhaps we should revisit the results of the real Yankee Colonial rebellion, eh?

Of
course, considering we had to drag the English into France after D-Day
because they felt they needed their tea, I guess I'm not so surprised
America won the rebellion.

Descartian wrote...

Must agree with you there. Here in South Africa we had most of the Imperial lords (esp Lord Milner) crying in their diaries and lying face down in mud for hours during the Anglo-Boer War. Guerrilla warfare, sharpshooters, night attacks and trenches were just too much for their commanders who only knew let's-line-them-up-taking-turns-to-shoot-with- the-biggest-army-always-winning-in-the-end warfare.

But I will still enjoy the British accent in a fantasy game anytime :happy:

Oh tosh, we just let you guys think you won while we ran things from behind the scenes without having to pay out for you money grubbing colonials!  And as for the WW2, you do realise we had to hold off the Germans by ourselves while you were off drinking coffee selling weapons and profiteering from the war adem!

Really though, did you have to bring in real world examples in something that was intended as a blatant satire on the accents in Star Wars?? <_<  The proper response would have been to liken the Rebellion to colonial america or somesuch involving cowboys shooting Darth Vader.

Profeteering... typical. I guess we shouldn't have been providing you guys weapons so you could hold off the Germans, eh?

At any rate, I did include a smilie indicating it was a good natured rib. I'm sorry that it caused you patriotic discomfort.

[FlintlockJazz]

Descartian wrote...

Can't argue with someone sporting a Minsc quote, hehehe. My favourate was "Go for the eyes Boo, GO FOR THE EYES!! RrraaaAAGHGHH!!! " I Always have a laugh at that

Damn right!  Now make me some more tea!  *Dies from the poison in the tea*

"Magic is good, but now Minsc leads!  Swords for everybody!"

[FlintlockJazz]

adembroski11 wrote...

Profeteering... typical. I guess we shouldn't have been providing you guys weapons so you could hold off the Germans, eh?

At any rate, I did include a smilie indicating it was a good natured rib. I'm sorry that it caused you patriotic discomfort.

Well, what did you expect?  Thanks for dragging us into France?  Don't you realise there's *gulp* French people there?!  Took us ages to get rid of the cheese smell!

(To any French people, don't worry I'm not being serious and besides, your women are hawt!  )