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[errant_knight]

bas273 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

bas273 wrote...

If you don't save Redcliffe Village everyone in the village is killed except for Bann Teagan ;-).

*Hands Bas a suit of armor with 100% fire res* Good luck, you are gonna need it.

Lol ^^. Shimmering Shield does the trick just fine ;-)

You're basically saying there's only one way to play the game, your
way, and anyone who chooses to do otherwise is playing the game wrong.
I have to disagree with that. Everyone's choices are valid, both the
ones I would pick, and the ones I wouldn't. For one thing, if that were
not the case, some choices would lead to a loss at the end or make the
game unplayably difficult. For another, a roleplaying game where
there's only one proper way to roleplay is unnecessarily limiting.

I'm not saying this is the way you should be playing this game. I'm just wondering what choices a proper Grey Warden (Duncan?) would make. What's more important, saving Redcliffe Village or defeating the Archdemon?

What I'm saying is that there is no 'proper' grey warden, as that definition differs from person to person, and people can make opposite choices as best for the end goal.

I suppose that's true. Then let's call it a "Grey Warden who sees the Blight as his highest priority and believes the end justifies the means".  What choices would he make?

Closer. All Grey Wardens would think the blight the highest priority, I think.... How 'bout, 'Grey Warden who sees the more unpleasant choices as ultimitely necessary?'

Modifié par errant_knight, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:54 .

[Asante81]

Saving lives is the highest priority for a Warden. Did you remember Wynnes story about the battle where the Wardens sacrificed themselves so everyone else could live? That's what being a Warden is about.
If the only chance to save a lot of lives is, to sacrifice a few, then it's in the frame of the things a Warden's allowed to do. I still think as a Warden you should ALWAYS try to do the thing that involves the least amount of innocent victims as long as it still gets the thing done.
And sorry, but convincing the werewolves to slaughter the Dalish is nowhere a good Warden decision. It's a "Oooh I'm a Warden, no one will ever drag me to court for anything I do, let's have some fun and get rid of those pesky Dalish" decision...


EDIT: and I don't say you shouldn't be able to do such a decision. All I want is some severe consequences for it.

Modifié par Asante81, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:46 .

[SusanStoHelit]

LostScout wrote...

  Duncan is vicious and a tough fighter, but I wouldn't emulate him, cause he winds up dead, with all the wardens slaughtered and the arch demon still out there. Not really an effective gray warden.

Only because he and Cailan (and everyone else at Ostagar) was betrayed by Loghain.

[Whisa]

LostScout wrote...

He trusted someone like Loghain at his back, he didn't have a fallback plan, and he had no avenue of retreat if things went bad.  I knew from the moment I met Loghain that there was something going on, and that was before I had played the game or visited these forums.  Given Duncan's background, I think he should have mistrusted him, and the fact that he didn't is an "Epic Fail"

Duncan and Loghain go back pretty far, if what I've heard about the books is correct.  In addition, Duncan knows that he was pretty close to Maric and wouldn't even dream that Loghain would betray Maric's son.

[Spitz6860]

i thought the choices were pretty easy, i sided with the mages and the danlish elves solely because they are the ones that signed the treaty, not the templars and werewolves.

[SusanStoHelit]

LostScout wrote...

He trusted someone like Loghain at his back, he didn't have a fallback plan, and he had no avenue of retreat if things went bad.  I knew from the moment I met Loghain that there was something going on, and that was before I had played the game or visited these forums.  Given Duncan's background, I think he should have mistrusted him, and the fact that he didn't is an "Epic Fail"

Now that I agree with in part. Loghain was so clearly bad that he needed to be twirling a moustache on my first playthrough. I think Duncan was incredibly gullible there. But I also don't think a fallback plan would've helped him much. If I were Duncan and wearing my own 'suspicious bastard' hat, I would've known Loghain was up to something - but not what. I think I would've suspected political shenanigans or attempts to undermine the wardens with Cailan or something along those lines - but not that he would betray all those people in that way at that time. So I'd still have gotten slaughtered. So - a Fail, but not an Epic one.

[RangerSG]

LostScout wrote...

Sometimes I think that Duncan wanted to die. Alistair tells you that he knew he'd be "going to Orzammar" soon (ooh, that would make a cool song title). So maybe didn't care what Loghain was doing, his failure was in thinking he could survive long enough to kill the Arch Demon. Overconfidence, tsk, tsk, gets us every time.

Yeah, Duncan knew his time was near, one way or another. I don't think he "didn't care" what Loghain was up to. But I think he "knew" Loghain would do what was best for Ferelden. He had no idea that involved getting the Wardens killed (and I think his battle plan was designed to do 'exactly' that, not Cailan necessarily, his protest to stay off the front lines was a real one, but the Wardens, yep.)

[bas273]

When there are plenty of Grey Wardens about, I agree that you should help as many people as possible (let Zathrian break the curse, save Redcliffe village...).

But there are only two Grey Wardens in all of Ferelden so wasting your time by saving Redcliffe Village is, IMO, a stupid thing to do. What if you get killed by one of those zombies? Then all of Ferelden will be overrun by the Blight.