EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
It's a console game first and foremost because games like Origins and DA2 ended up selling more copies on consoles. The days of Bioware making PC games and then porting them down to consoles are over.
Modifié par Mykel54, 27 février 2013 - 06:33 .
I didn't forget anything.Melca36 wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
It's a console game first and foremost because games like Origins and DA2 ended up selling more copies on consoles. The days of Bioware making PC games and then porting them down to consoles are over.
Funny how you seem to forget PC sales have increased since people can digitally download now.
Sopa de Gato wrote...
Really? And here I thought the most important thing for DA:I would be strong writing, likable characters, and a mixture of gameplay between DAO and DA2.
But nope, you want the shiny graphics over everything.
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
How about trying to make sure everybody has a good experience, with UIs that fit their respective input devices?
Why some people feel their platform is so special and needs to be better at the expense of the experience of those on other platforms, I'll never understand. I need to swap discs all the time in ME3, do I begrudge those on PS3 and PC who don't need to do so? Not at all.
The Teryn of Whatever wrote...
Even as someone who games primarily on consoles, I gotta say, it can't be that hard to design an RPG with keyboard, hotkeys and mouse in mind (with the possibility of an optional controller interface for those who have one) and then adapt for a console interface afterwards. It worked fine in DA:O. I was perfectly happy with the console interface, even if it meant more wheel pausing to select spell and skills, although I would have liked having the tactical view that the PC version had.
Oh look, I've defied your stereotypes and shattered your expectations. I'm a lowly consolero who doesn't mind the interface of a game not being so simple a baby could use it!!
I've been playing Metro 2033 recently and I find the interface feels more like it was designed for PC gamers first and foremost and then adapted for consoles afterwards (although I could be completely wrong about its development). In fact, as a story-driven shooter, it had some aspects that made it more complex than the average sort of no-brainer, instant gratification FPS that games like CoD are. In Metro, which is set in a post-apocalyptic Moscow, you have to worry about sections where air is unbreathable and a gas mask must be used; players must keep track of oxygen levels by listening to the player character's breathing, checking their wris****ch, and periodically changing air filters as well as worrying about damage to the mask, which must be swapped periodically for another one (usually found on a corpse). I liked that the quest menu and compass which points the player towards goals are incorporated into the game as objects the player character holds in his hands, when accessed.
So yes, UP pro-PC designs for games. If console versions need dumbing down, so be it, but don't dumb down the whole game just for consoles. Also, devs and publishers, please stop treating console users like we're all stupid or like we're all casual gamers!
How exactly do you mean the console port of Origin was not inferior? I'd say DA2 works better on PC than DAO does on xbox. At least, it does nowadays, there was the problem with AoE markers getting stuck on enemies in the launch version of the game on PC while the console version could place AoEs anywhere. Heck if anything DA2 still plays better on PC than console already since issuing commands is quicker. Compare the sequence of LT, upleft+A, move a reticule with the joystick, A to simply pointing your mouse and clicking (these are the sequences for movement).D_Thoran wrote...
The whole point is to make sure everyone has a great experience. When they develop for PC and port to consoles, everyone is happy. When it goes the other way, PC players often get shafted with sub-par products. If you can't understand that, there is no hope for you.
No keybindings, remapping or forcing you to use the gamepad have nothing to do with porting to PC and everything to do with not caring about the PC user experience. Similar to how even though we got a command wheel for the console version of DAO, there is no way to simply move a character anywhere and no way to give two characters different commands without unpausing in between the orders.D_Thoran wrote...
If it is designed for PC's in mind, you get a much better game overall, as it is much easier to port it down to console hardware specs. If it was designed for consoles, you get a crappy port to the PC with sub-par performance, and mostly beyond hideous controls and layouts. (no keybinding, remapping, forced to use a stupid gamepad, ect, ect) Nothing worse than a crappy console port for the PC.
So if there's a bad port to PC, that somehow hurts more than if there's a bad port to console?D_Thoran wrote...
Don't understand why console fanboys have such a problem with this. Designing for PC first means a better quality game, and more fun for everone, the other way, most PC users don't even bother buying it.
Funny how you seem to forget that digital downloads are not solely the province of the PC.Melca36 wrote...
EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
It's a console game first and foremost because games like Origins and DA2 ended up selling more copies on consoles. The days of Bioware making PC games and then porting them down to consoles are over.
Funny how you seem to forget PC sales have increased since people can digitally download now.
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
How about trying to make sure everybody has a good experience, with UIs that fit their respective input devices?
Why some people feel their platform is so special and needs to be better at the expense of the experience of those on other platforms, I'll never understand. I need to swap discs all the time in ME3, do I begrudge those on PS3 and PC who don't need to do so? Not at all.
Modifié par Suprez30, 28 février 2013 - 01:02 .
D_Thoran wrote...
The Teryn of Whatever wrote...
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Thank God someone with some brains. I'm not bashing consoles, I own the top 3 consoles myself and play a ton of games on them. The overall problem is, when you look at a game like DA:O on the PC, then look at it on a console, (not just graphics, overall playability and design) console users got a lot less enjoyable of an experience. I know, my son played the console version, until he got on and tried the PC version, then the console version got traded in soon after.
If it is designed for PC's in mind, you get a much better game overall, as it is much easier to port it down to console hardware specs. If it was designed for consoles, you get a crappy port to the PC with sub-par performance, and mostly beyond hideous controls and layouts. (no keybinding, remapping, forced to use a stupid gamepad, ect, ect) Nothing worse than a crappy console port for the PC.
Don't understand why console fanboys have such a problem with this. Designing for PC first means a better quality game, and more fun for everone, the other way, most PC users don't even bother buying it.
I wouldn't consider Skyrim's UI to be friendly to anyone.Talonfire wrote...
KiddDaBeauty wrote...
How about trying to make sure everybody has a good experience, with UIs that fit their respective input devices?
Why some people feel their platform is so special and needs to be better at the expense of the experience of those on other platforms, I'll never understand. I need to swap discs all the time in ME3, do I begrudge those on PS3 and PC who don't need to do so? Not at all.
I agree with this one hundred percent. Speaking as a PC gamer with a decent gaming computer, I don't feel that the PC needs to be the highest priority. As long as BioWare doesn't follow in Bethesda's footsteps and force PC gamers to use increasingly worse console UIs because they don't feel like making proper PC friendly UIs, I'm content.
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