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[CynicalShep]

thelobstar wrote...

Letting Shep go within 100 feet of any dance floor. Big mistake.

And I didn't want to get drawn into this argument, but... The statements concerning K-man and Shep being gay/bi as 'bad writing' assumes that everybody knows instinctively what gender they like (if any) from birth, and are unable to change their minds.

Although, you may have a point. It's not like somebody could feasibly think they were straight for a portion of their life, just because society has taught them it's the norm from day 1... Oh wait a sec...

Plus, Shep is hot. If there's anybody in the universe that can turn a straight-guy gay (and vice versa) it's probably the Saviour of the Galaxy.

You havent seen some of the custom Sheps 

[CynicalShep]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Because thats not how it works you are either gay/bi or not.

Not true. I've see both changes from straight to lesbian and vice-versa in people I know. 

[ohaithere]

Haha, Kaiden just said "I don't want you to think I'm a whiner" to me in ME1.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Shepard doesn't turn gay automatically, If he/she "is suddenly gay" then it is YOUR choice on the other hand if you as a male Shepard had no romantic relationships before ME 3 and then opted to have a gay relationship in ME 3 then it quite fits.

No place is Shepherds sexuality set in stone, It is up to the player - kind of like how you can go full paragon in one game and then full renegade in the next - this inconsistent choice of play is up to you, The only difference is that male Shep had no chance to express his gay sexuality before ME 3, There is no requirement to play as a heterosexual character in ME 1/2.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 27 février 2013 - 08:34 .

[RedBeardJim]

ohaithere wrote...

Haha, Kaiden just said "I don't want you to think I'm a whiner" to me in ME1.

And he's not. Honestly the whiniest squadmate you have in ME1 is Garrus. "I just can't deal with all their rules, maaaaaan!"

[ohaithere]

I don't see how people can argue that Cortez/Traynor/Kaidan detracted from the other romances with Allers around.

[estebanus]

Curing the genophage with Wreav as leader.

[KBomb]

I see people continuously use the word 'homophobic' and it makes me wonder if that is another word that has lost it's meaning and is now being used as a throw-around word to drown out opposing opinions.

I mean seriously, people are angry that his opinion of established characters being changed last minute is bad writing? Yet, no one bats an eyelash when someone says you can choose your sexual orientation. Oh, bsn, u so sillee.

Modifié par KBomb, 27 février 2013 - 08:42 .

[Ykulnu]

KBomb wrote...

I see people continuously use the word 'homophobic' and it makes me wonder if that is another word that has lost it's meaning and is now being used as a throw-around word to drown out opposing opinions.

I mean seriously, people are angry that his opinion of established characters being changed last minute is bad writing? Yet, no one bats an eyelash when someone says you can choose your sexual orientation. Oh, bsn, u so sillee.

This, I feel like I'm living in a bizarro world right now.

[Zerker]

Wulfram wrote...

Shepard talking to the Admirals at the start of ME3.

This. It was an extremely poor-written scene.

-Shepard, thousands of indestructible AI dreadnoughts with genocidal tendencies are closing on Earth, what should we do?
-Eerrr... We must stand together?



No ****, Sherlock.

[CynicalShep]

Ykulnu wrote...

KBomb wrote...

I see people continuously use the word 'homophobic' and it makes me wonder if that is another word that has lost it's meaning and is now being used as a throw-around word to drown out opposing opinions.

I mean seriously, people are angry that his opinion of established characters being changed last minute is bad writing? Yet, no one bats an eyelash when someone says you can choose your sexual orientation. Oh, bsn, u so sillee.

This, I feel like I'm living in a bizarro world right now.

You two are not politically correct. 

[FlyingSquirrel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ah....I see a couple of pro-Destroyers have proven their fundamentalism again.

As for dumb moves....selecting James to repair the communication tower on Menae.

I don't think I've ever done that, precisely because Liara seems more likely to know her way around electronics and engineering. Does James actually screw something up or take long to repair it if you pick him?

[AlanC9]

Ykulnu wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I don't see the problem there. TIM's known to have had relations with an asari Matriarch. Why not a quarian?

If that's all you have to say after everything I wrote, I think you're done here. You missed the point completely and are just trying to continue making strife.

I didn't quote the whole post because the only point I wanted to make was that this maybe wasn't such a great example.

But your substantive point was nonsense. If we were only talking about Kaidan you could maybe make a case. But we're talking about Shepard, or at least MrGMM88 was (or he wouldn't have mentioned Cortez. ) And male Sheps are simply not canonically straight. This is wholly within the player's control.

As it should be.

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2013 - 08:55 .

[KBomb]

CynicalShep wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

KBomb wrote...

I see people continuously use the word 'homophobic' and it makes me wonder if that is another word that has lost it's meaning and is now being used as a throw-around word to drown out opposing opinions.

I mean seriously, people are angry that his opinion of established characters being changed last minute is bad writing? Yet, no one bats an eyelash when someone says you can choose your sexual orientation. Oh, bsn, u so sillee.

This, I feel like I'm living in a bizarro world right now.

You two are not politically correct. 

haha. I won't argue with you there, at least on my part. Being politically correct has it's place, but it is overrated and leaves little room for common sense. When people say you can choose your sexual orientation, it leads way to the age old prejudice that "Well, he should just stop being gay! After all, he chooses that lifestyle." You can't have one without the other. Either you're born that way, or you're not. People can have homosexual curiosities without being homosexual and vice versa. That isn't the real issue here, though. Writing is, which is the bulk of his opinion.

Not to mention, his opinion isn't isolated. A lot of people question changing established characters in such a way for the simple reason of pander and how it affects writing. Do I agree with that opinion? Well, it doesn't matter. What does matter is that it's his opinion and it's one thing for people to debate that opinion, it's another to call him homophobic and insult him for it.

And to drive it back on topic, I would have to say flirting with Morinth and anything femshep has to say to Jacob. Those are the most uncomfortable and moments of fail conversations ever.

Modifié par KBomb, 27 février 2013 - 08:59 .

[AlanC9]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ah....I see a couple of pro-Destroyers have proven their fundamentalism again.

As for dumb moves....selecting James to repair the communication tower on Menae.

I don't think I've ever done that, precisely because Liara seems more likely to know her way around electronics and engineering. Does James actually screw something up or take long to repair it if you pick him?

Nope. But Shepard doesn't know that when he makes the choice.

[AlanC9]

KBomb wrote...

I see people continuously use the word 'homophobic' and it makes me wonder if that is another word that has lost it's meaning and is now being used as a throw-around word to drown out opposing opinions.

Well, I thought that post back on page 1 was outright homophobic in the actual meaning of the term. But like I said, that was just because I didn't consider that the post might have had nothing to do with the topic.

Modifié par AlanC9, 27 février 2013 - 08:59 .

[DeinonSlayer]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ah....I see a couple of pro-Destroyers have proven their fundamentalism again.

As for dumb moves....selecting James to repair the communication tower on Menae.

I don't think I've ever done that, precisely because Liara seems more likely to know her way around electronics and engineering. Does James actually screw something up or take long to repair it if you pick him?

Shepard: "James, get on it!"
James: "Uh, tech's not my specialty, but I'll pull a few wires and see what comes out."

*James approaches the holographic console, scratches the back of his head, and begins kicking it repeatedly*

Shepard: *facepalm*
Other squadmate: *stares at Shepard*

[Anacronian Stryx]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Ah....I see a couple of pro-Destroyers have proven their fundamentalism again.

As for dumb moves....selecting James to repair the communication tower on Menae.

I don't think I've ever done that, precisely because Liara seems more likely to know her way around electronics and engineering. Does James actually screw something up or take long to repair it if you pick him?

Shepard: "James, get on it!"
James: "Uh, tech's not my specialty, but I'll pull a few wires and see what comes out."

*James approaches the holographic console, scratches the back of his head, and begins kicking it repeatedly*

Shepard: *facepalm*
Other squadmate: *stares at Shepard*

And yet by magic ..it works.

[Ykulnu]

AlanC9 wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
I don't see the problem there. TIM's known to have had relations with an asari Matriarch. Why not a quarian?

If that's all you have to say after everything I wrote, I think you're done here. You missed the point completely and are just trying to continue making strife.

I didn't quote the whole post because the only point I wanted to make was that this maybe wasn't such a great example.

But your substantive point was nonsense. If we were only talking about Kaidan you could maybe make a case. But we're talking about Shepard, or at least MrGMM88 was (or he wouldn't have mentioned Cortez. ) And male Sheps are simply not canonically straight. This is wholly within the player's control.

As it should be.

If my point stands as fact for a part of the conversation, it's far from nonsense. This isn't about Kaidan nor Shepard - I'm speaking in terms of canon as a whole. If that implicates only Kaidan and not Shepard, so be it. The fact of the matter is that retcons are a bad plot device, and people are choosing to ignore that fact because said retcon appeals to their interests. It's sad to see someone who decides to question such writing then be called a homophobe and demonized. That merely shows how little of the writing these people care about. Asking someone why they care about having a coherent story is ridiculous. Sexuality talk be damned, in my opinion. I'm speaking strictly about the quality of the writing. 

Sensitivity and preference do NOT undermine the value of literary quality. It's disgusting for one to claim that they love a series such as Mass Effect for the story, and then accept retcons and arbitrary changes because they like it.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 27 février 2013 - 09:16 .

[adayaday]

Calling the normandy to evacuate a disposable sexbot platform infront of Harby.

[111987]

Killing everyone on the Suicide Mission except Morinth, Mordin, and Jack. .
Shooting Mordin in order to cure the Genophage for Warlord Wreav (Eve is dead).
Jack gets turned into a Phantom, Morinth gets turned into a Banshee.
The Reaper Rachni is released.
Shepard kills the Virmire Survivor, the Salarian Councillor dies
Shepard romances Diana Allers
The Quarians are wiped out by the Geth.
Low EMS Destroy kills the Geth off, wipes out Earth and pretty much everything else. The remaining factions are the evil Rachni, the cured Krogan led by Wreav, and the ravaged Citadel races that aren't yet extinct.

[bravo104]

MrGMM88 wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Sexuality is not a computer system, there are no rules. People change their sexuality all the time on this planet. 

Thats kind of insulting to gays dont you think? If it were that simple you could just tell them to act straight

how is that offencive to gays in any way? so now facts are "insulting to gays"? people do change there sexuality a lot on this planet, kaidan could of just realized it slowly, not just decided to be gay for no reason.

[DeinonSlayer]

Ykulnu wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I didn't quote the whole post because the only point I wanted to make was that this maybe wasn't such a great example.

But your substantive point was nonsense. If we were only talking about Kaidan you could maybe make a case. But we're talking about Shepard, or at least MrGMM88 was (or he wouldn't have mentioned Cortez. ) And male Sheps are simply not canonically straight. This is wholly within the player's control.

As it should be.

If my point stands as fact for a part of the conversation, it's far from nonsense. This isn't about Kaidan nor Shepard - I'm speaking in terms of canon as a whole. If that implicates only Kaidan and not Shepard, so be it. The fact of the matter is that retcons are a bad plot device, and people are choosing to ignore that fact because said retcon appeals to their interests. Sexuality talk be damned, in my opinion. I'm speaking strictly about the quality of the writing.

I agree. I felt the same way about the Council suddenly pretending the Reapers don't exist in ME2. I feel the same way now about ME3's narrative glossing over centuries of violence to make the Geth look more sympathetic. This is what happens when you don't plan your series in advance, then decide to change the themes to express in the final chapter (*glares at the ending*).

[Steelcan]

Good idea Jacob, go through the vents.

[DeinonSlayer]

Steelcan wrote...

Good idea Jacob, go through the vents.

JayneShep ran with that.