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[RogueBot]

MrGMM88 wrote...

You dont turn characters gay/bi in the last chapter just to appeal to a small minortity out there. Its stupid and bad writing.
It would be just as stupid turn a established gay character bi or hetero

Mass Effect is a commercial product. It's not so much "bad writing", it's just that artistic integrity doesn't really apply.

That's not a bad or good thing, it's just the way the business world works.

[AlanC9]

RogueBot wrote...
Mass Effect is a commercial product. It's not so much "bad writing", it's just that artistic integrity doesn't really apply. 

I'm not sure I'd buy a binary distinction there.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 février 2013 - 07:03 .

[AlanC9]

Maxster_ wrote...

Brhino wrote...

Asking Liara if Asari can reproduce with each other in ME1.

Calling for the Normandy to evac my lightly wounded squadmates right in front of Harbinger (only partly counts because for some reason it worked).

Especially funny with EDI in ground team.

Yep. And EDI's right about the platform being dispensable; she doesn't die in low-EMS Control even if it's vaporized.

I have no idea why Bio didn't just have the other squadmate be injured if EDIs in the squad.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Oransel wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Besides Refuse and Death-by-Morinth, what was the dumbest move you can make in the entire trilogy? 

Are you dense? Refusal is not a dumb move at all, well, not as dumb as other "endings" are. I choose refusal, close the game after Shepard's most powerful speech in all 3 games and imagine the rest.

You just pulled a Han'Gerrel on the entire galaxy, but so long as you feel good about it, right?

By "imagine the rest"  he might mean he's imagining a victory.

[Oransel]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Oransel wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Besides Refuse and Death-by-Morinth, what was the dumbest move you can make in the entire trilogy? 

Are you dense? Refusal is not a dumb move at all, well, not as dumb as other "endings" are. I choose refusal, close the game after Shepard's most powerful speech in all 3 games and imagine the rest.

You just pulled a Han'Gerrel on the entire galaxy, but so long as you feel good about it, right?

I do not take anything after Harbinger's beam as canon or literal events. ME3 while being bad game, still stays ME3 even if I do not like it, but right after the charge to the Citadel it ceases to be anything connected with trilogy. As such, I do not really care about what happens next. I just take Refusal as correct answer to IT or conventional victory and deal with it.

Speaking of which, deal with it.

Modifié par Oransel, 28 février 2013 - 07:09 .

[RogueBot]

AlanC9 wrote...

RogueBot wrote...
Mass Effect is a commercial product. It's not so much "bad writing", it's just that artistic integrity doesn't really apply. 

I'm not sure I'd buy a binary distinction there.

Touche. But as far as allowing Shepard to be gay, I don't see how it really harms the story. Obviously some fans appreciate it, and I found it easy enough to ignore.

There are more blatant marks of commercialization, such as the fact that Chobot has a character in the game. That almost rustled my jimmies, but not really.

Modifié par RogueBot, 28 février 2013 - 07:12 .

[Village_Idiot]

Wrex: "Well there was this one time the turians tried to wipe out our entire race. That was fun."

Shepard: "I heard about that. You know, they almost did the same to use."

Wrex: "It's not the same."

Shepard: "It seems pretty much the same to me."

Shepard fails hard here. Worse since you have NO CHOICE BUT TO SAY THAT LINE.

[MrGMM88]

RogueBot wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

You dont turn characters gay/bi in the last chapter just to appeal to a small minortity out there. Its stupid and bad writing.
It would be just as stupid turn a established gay character bi or hetero

Mass Effect is a commercial product. It's not so much "bad writing", it's just that artistic integrity doesn't really apply.

That's not a bad or good thing, it's just the way the business world works.

If that would be the case they could create/sell a alternative ending DLC.

[Swehall]

Holding SMG's like a pistol even when they got a foregrip.

[AlanC9]

RogueBot wrote...

Touche. But as far as allowing Shepard to be gay, I don't see how it really harms the story. Obviously some fans appreciate it, and I found it easy enough to ignore.

Isn't the argument about Kaidan?Saying they should restrict Shepard's sexuality is just silly since it's the player's call

[AlanC9]

Oransel wrote...


I do not take anything after Harbinger's beam as canon or literal events. ME3 while being bad game, still stays ME3 even if I do not like it, but right after the charge to the Citadel it ceases to be anything connected with trilogy. As such, I do not really care about what happens next. I just take Refusal as correct answer to IT or conventional victory and deal with it.

Speaking of which, deal with it.

Looks like I called it. Sheer, unadulterated headcanon.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 février 2013 - 07:15 .

[RogueBot]

AlanC9 wrote...

RogueBot wrote...

Touche. But as far as allowing Shepard to be gay, I don't see how it really harms the story. Obviously some fans appreciate it, and I found it easy enough to ignore.

Isn't the argument about Kaidan?Saying they should restrict Shepard's sexuality is just silly since it's the player's call

Oh yeah. Well, I killed Kaidan so I didn't have to deal with him trying to seduce me. Was it done poorly? 

[DeinonSlayer]

Oransel wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Oransel wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Besides Refuse and Death-by-Morinth, what was the dumbest move you can make in the entire trilogy? 

Are you dense? Refusal is not a dumb move at all, well, not as dumb as other "endings" are. I choose refusal, close the game after Shepard's most powerful speech in all 3 games and imagine the rest.

You just pulled a Han'Gerrel on the entire galaxy, but so long as you feel good about it, right?

I do not take anything after Harbinger's beam as canon or literal events. ME3 while being bad game, still stays ME3 even if I do not like it, but right after the charge to the Citadel it ceases to be anything connected with trilogy. As such, I do not really care about what happens next. I just take Refusal as correct answer to IT or conventional victory and deal with it.

Speaking of which, deal with it.

Know who you're talking to. I was the original refuse advocate, pre-EC. I've since come to terms with the situation. You're free to headcanon whatever you want. I just find it funny that you call me dense for not sharing it.

[AlanC9]

RogueBot wrote...

Oh yeah. Well, I killed Kaidan so I didn't have to deal with him trying to seduce me. Was it done poorly? 

I dunno. I've only played the track with a FemShep. But I don't think it would bother much anyway, so I'm the wrong guy to ask.

[Oransel]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
Know who you're talking to. I was the original refuse advocate, pre-EC. I've since come to terms with the situation. You're free to headcanon whatever you want. I just find it funny that you call me dense for not sharing it.

I know who you are and that's exactly why it is really sad to me that you have accepted it. But it's alright, because I have not done that and will never do. I called you dense because you basically said that Refusal is dumb (implying that anyone who did that on purpose are dumb) when it is not, especially if you purposefully do not metagame. Game is broken and "headcanon" or MEHEM is the only way to fix it.
I really wish you would stick with those who have not surrendered to EAware, but whatever, it's your loss.

[Display Name Owner]

Getting schooled by Wrex after trying to compare the First Contact War to the Genophage is pretty embarrassing for Shep.

Also getting put down by an exasperated TIM when he tells Shepard they need a Reaper IFF and Shep complains cause he was just on the Collector's ship.

[knightnblu]

Liamv2 wrote...

Romance Allers

She was just a freebie anyway.

[Reap_ii]

my failshep left her clothes on when she took a shower.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Oh were to start!

You know what I'll just mention one.

During the Grissom Academy mission Shepard tries to use the butt of his gun to smash the window, when there was perfectly good ammunition in the gun.

[RedBeardJim]

DinoSteve wrote...

Oh were to start!

You know what I'll just mention one.

During the Grissom Academy mission Shepard tries to use the butt of his gun to smash the window, when there was perfectly good ammunition in the gun.

Well, ya can't really rely on shooting a window in a cutscene. Sometimes it works (see: Citadel Coup, Valern's office window) and sometimes it doesn't (see: Citadel Coup, car windshield).

Personally I'm a fan of the repeated "What's this area of the ship?" in ME2 as Shepard walks into various places on the Normandy that they *really* should be able to identify (the CIC, the shuttle bay, Shepard's cabin, etc.)

[Argolas]

How about trying to romance both Liara and VS in ME1? That was nice.

[Reap_ii]

Argolas wrote...

How about trying to romance both Liara and VS in ME1? That was nice.

yeah, Liara seemed all for it though.  too bad ashley/kaiden are just prudes.

[Cole Jones]

Putting every resource, Brain, and Advanced piece of tech into Something that could of very well been a Gigantic ******. And not focusing on creating a Fleet of Godlike size.

[Weltea]

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[quote]MrGMM88 wrote...

You dont turn characters gay/bi in the last chapter just to appeal to a small minortity out there. Its stupid and bad writing.
It would be just as stupid turn a established gay character bi or hetero
[/quote]


Except they didn't turn anyone gay/bi who was established as straight.
And assuming that a character is 100% straight and would never ever and no circumstances consider a same-sex partner is just that: an assumption (with zero evidence given). And saying that that gay,straight and bi are the only sexual orientations is also ridiculous.
(Also the majority of people would tell you that sexuality is fluid)

Turning an "established gay character bi or hetero" is completely different. A) Because the sexuality is established and because enough people already believe that gayness (especially in women) can be 'cured' if they just find the right person. 




[quote]RogueBot wrote...

Touche. But as far as allowing Shepard to be gay, I don't see how it really harms the story. Obviously some fans appreciate it, and I found it easy enough to ignore. [/quote]

Isn't the argument about Kaidan?Saying they should restrict Shepard's sexuality is just silly since it's the player's call
[/quote]
Nobody turned Shepard gay because you could play him as gay from game one on and she could even enter a relationship that for her was a lesbian one. And then she could have another lesbian relationship in ME2. But I know,that doesn't count because the real Shepard is clearly male and also 'lesbians are hot'

Modifié par Weltea, 28 février 2013 - 09:23 .

[JesseLee202]

Oransel wrote...

I do not take anything after Harbinger's beam as canon or literal events.

It doesn't matter what you think, or how bad the endings are; Mass Effect 3's events are canonical whether you like it or not. 

You are free to headcanon all you want; a victory in refuse, Tali'Zorah looking like a Xenomorph, etc. But that does not make it canonically accurate.